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[pallidin]

I don't know, but if you put fire and gasoline close enough to each other, what happens?

With such incredibly significant ideological differences between them, as well as expansionism desires(population does grow), and weapons flowing like a broken dam, I can see no lasting peace whatsover, just continued fighting.

Sorry for my dark projection, but I truly see it as being none other than that.

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pallidin, on 22 January 2013 - 03:04 AM, said:

I don't know, but if you put fire and gasoline close enough to each other, what happens?

With such incredibly significant ideological differences between them, as well as expansionism desires(population does grow), and weapons flowing like a broken dam, I can see no lasting peace whatsover, just continued fighting.

Sorry for my dark projection, but I truly see it as being none other than that.

I look at the situation from a Biblical perspective which is poo pooed mostly here. No problem with that, just trying to be clear.  From that perspective the end game is clear and the situation seems about to get very ugly.  A rational person can look at the history of hate between these two groups of people and see that there can be no peace without a real change of hearts and minds.  The whole world has been subjected to violence stemming from this ideological conflict between Palestinian Muslims and Jewish Israelis.  So the world has chosen sides and most have chosen the Palestinians - why doesn't really matter in a secular sense.  If anyone doubts that this ages old conflict is supernaturally energized they need look no farther than the demands being made by modern, educated and savvy political types in the west.   These are demanding from Israel that they go against ALL evidences from previous attacks by their enemies and give them yet MORE land that can potentially be used as a base to demand (you guessed it) even MORE land.  It is irrational.  Who said that the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect different results?  According to various scriptures including Psalm 83, Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38/39, Israel utterly routs her enemies (with God's help) and finally the region is at peace (what's left of it)...  This isn't a dream of a Christian Zionist - it's the word of the Bible.  So the demands being made on Israel being irrational finally will make her act irrationally as well.

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and then, on 22 January 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

I'm curious WUK...if the Palestinians get their state - as I believe will happen now, and within a few months or a year begin attacking Israel with it sporadically with rockets and mortars, just a few, now and again.... how do you think the Israelis should react?  If some Israelis are killed and the war like rhetoric of Hamas begins anew...what then?  This is what I anticipate.

The EU's plan may be the Palestinians' 'last chance' for peace and for it to succeed they will have to renounce violence.

I think that it would be completely detrimental to their objective of national aspiration, if the moderates like Abbas would allow the extremists to continue the armed conflict with Israel after attaining Palestinian statehood.

If Hamas or any of the other extremist Palestinian groups continue to attack Israel in any matter, and foolishly sabotage the EU's efforts of finally establishing an acceptable two state solution, then the Palestinians shall reap what they sow.

And without doubt the Palestinian people will be no more, for Israel will defend itself and and with its vastly superior military they will most probably drive all the militant Palestinians out of the West Bank and Gaza and into Jordan and Egypt, they will wall-off and 'secure' the remaining Palestinian enclaves in the West Bank and finally declare their 'Greater Israel' and this time the world may not whimper one word of complaint.

Not even the Arab nations, who are too embroiled in their own domestic problems will really care what happens to their Palestinian cousins, except of course for Egypt and Jordan that will probably be hosting new refugee camps of displaced Palestinians.

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WHO U KIDDIN, on 22 January 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

The EU's plan may be the Palestinians' 'last chance' for peace and for it to succeed they will have to renounce violence.

I think that it would be completely detrimental to their objective of national aspiration, if the moderates like Abbas would allow the extremists to continue the armed conflict with Israel after attaining Palestinian statehood.

If Hamas or any of the other extremist Palestinian groups continue to attack Israel in any matter, and foolishly sabotage the EU's efforts of finally establishing an acceptable two state solution, then the Palestinians shall reap what they sow.

And without doubt the Palestinian people will be no more, for Israel will defend itself and and with its vastly superior military they will most probably drive all the militant Palestinians out of the West Bank and Gaza and into Jordan and Egypt, they will wall-off and 'secure' the remaining Palestinian enclaves in the West Bank and finally declare their 'Greater Israel' and this time the world may not whimper one word of complaint.

Not even the Arab nations, who are too embroiled in their own domestic problems will really care what happens to their Palestinian cousins, except of course for Egypt and Jordan that will probably be hosting new refugee camps of displaced Palestinians.

I agree completely.  And of course I might be 180 off on my assumptions but looking at history here, I just don't think so.  Time will tell if either side is ready for the work it will take to have real peace.  The move is supposed to heat up in March.

[WHO U KIDDIN]

Britain:
Israel's next government must understand two-state solution is almost dead

Foreign Secretary Hague condemns settlement expansion, says EU and U.S. still need to   establish 'incentives and disincentives' regarding further negotiations.

Britain's foreign secretary said on Tuesday that prospects for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are almost dead because of expanding settlements in occupied territory, and warned Israel it was losing international support....

Foreign Secretary William Hague spoke as Israelis voted in an election likely to yield a hardline rightist government keener to thicken settlement on land where Palestinians want to establish statehood than seek peace."I hope that whatever Israeli government emerges .... that it will recognize that we are approaching the last chance to bring about such a solution," Hague told parliament....

"If we do not make progress in the coming year, people will increasingly conclude that a two-state solution has become impossible," said Hague. Both Israelis and Palestinians should return to talks without preconditions, he said.

http://www.haaretz.c...t-dead-1.495623

Edited by WHO U KIDDIN, 22 January 2013 - 10:54 PM.

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Netanyahu's Likud got humbled today so the government he forms (if he actually leads it) will be much more centrist.  That March peace push looks even more enticing now.  Israeli public seem about evenly split on where they want to go vis a vis peace talks.  I still predict big changes on that front this year.