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[quillius]

psyche101, on 15 February 2012 - 05:31 AM, said:

Hey Mate

I was just thinking if this is a closed channel, would there be a transcript? Or a copy of the vocals? If not it's just he said she said I think. I am more interested to know if this channel was in use, it seems highly likely. If you did have some sort of accident, beaming the sounds of astronauts dying horribly into peoples lounge rooms would not be a good start to the manned space program. I know they would just "cut off" most likely, but I think there might be plenty of situations like this where the astronauts and Houston need a little privacy. Buzz is certainly ambiguous in the statements, I woud say that is on purpose, he is pretty on the ball with public speaking. He just makes it sound in the later interviews like he did discuss it during the mission. If James Oberg came to the same conclusion I didm then it must be possible that this is what Buzz was indeed conveying.

I agree that there had to be a closed channel....not sure I agree that he is purposely trying to convey this through interviews after, however it is ofcourse possible.

Maybe MID is best placed to possibly shed some light on this aspect...

[MID]

quillius, on 15 February 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

I agree that there had to be a closed channel....not sure I agree that he is purposely trying to convey this through interviews after, however it is ofcourse possible.

Maybe MID is best placed to possibly shed some light on this aspect...

Every word spoken was transcribed during manned spaceflight.
As far as NASA feeding a public loop, the PAO office did that.  We heard what was in that loop, but we did not generally hear anything from the Flight Director's loop, Mission Control, or of the Controller loops between each other.

There was also the on-board voice recorder, which is also transcribed. One can find the Apollo11 OVR transcriptions these days on line, at least in parts.

As to private communications, then, as now, we have privatized channels that we use to discuss such things as medical matters concerning  a problem they don't want going throughout the room.  Most often, loop is privatized between the crew and the Flight Surgeon and Flight Director, or, depending on the actual situation, perhaps with Flight and an individual controller or group of controllers.

Any discussion the AS-11 crew was having aboard regarding this matter in 1969 was most assuredly preserved on OVR tapes and has been transcribed.  I've seen some of it.  Nothing earth shttering was included in the transcripts I saw.  Same old stuff...thing out there blinking, etc...




Whatever the case, this voice recording is not fed publically.  It's internal.  No one hears it save the crew as they speak it.

[quillius]

MID, on 18 February 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Every word spoken was transcribed during manned spaceflight.
As far as NASA feeding a public loop, the PAO office did that.  We heard what was in that loop, but we did not generally hear anything from the Flight Director's loop, Mission Control, or of the Controller loops between each other.

There was also the on-board voice recorder, which is also transcribed. One can find the Apollo11 OVR transcriptions these days on line, at least in parts.

As to private communications, then, as now, we have privatized channels that we use to discuss such things as medical matters concerning  a problem they don't want going throughout the room.  Most often, loop is privatized between the crew and the Flight Surgeon and Flight Director, or, depending on the actual situation, perhaps with Flight and an individual controller or group of controllers.

Any discussion the AS-11 crew was having aboard regarding this matter in 1969 was most assuredly preserved on OVR tapes and has been transcribed.  I've seen some of it.  Nothing earth shttering was included in the transcripts I saw.  Same old stuff...thing out there blinking, etc...



Whatever the case, this voice recording is not fed publically.  It's internal.  No one hears it save the crew as they speak it.

Many thanks for the detailed response and clarification MID.....I personally feel its safe to deduce from everything we know that no one discussed the sighting until the debrief back on planet Earth.

[MID]

quillius, on 20 February 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Many thanks for the detailed response and clarification MID.....I personally feel its safe to deduce from everything we know that no one discussed the sighting until the debrief back on planet Earth.

You're welcome, Q!

I don't think they did talk about it all that much, apart from the maybe 45 minutes or so they had time to look out and see it.

I think it helps to remember that there three men aboard that spacecraft, getting ready to bed down for the night.  They were the 7th, 8th, and 9th Men to ever be in this part of space, and these three were in a singularly special position, as in another day or so they would attempt to execute something extraordinary, and something which would have historic significance for generations and generations to come.

I seriously think their sleep was more important, and what they were about to attemp too complex and too concentrated to think about a little flashing light in the distance.

[psyche101]

MID, on 22 February 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

You're welcome, Q!

I don't think they did talk about it all that much, apart from the maybe 45 minutes or so they had time to look out and see it.

I think it helps to remember that there three men aboard that spacecraft, getting ready to bed down for the night.  They were the 7th, 8th, and 9th Men to ever be in this part of space, and these three were in a singularly special position, as in another day or so they would attempt to execute something extraordinary, and something which would have historic significance for generations and generations to come.

I seriously think their sleep was more important, and what they were about to attemp too complex and too concentrated to think about a little flashing light in the distance.

What a way to end the day! Looking down on earth.

Sorry for my slow understanding, but when you said:

Any discussion the AS-11 crew was having aboard regarding this matter in 1969 was most assuredly preserved on OVR tapes and has been transcribed. I've seen some of it. Nothing earth shttering was included in the transcripts I saw. Same old stuff...thing out there blinking, etc...

does that mean some discussion was had about the object that were not been released publicly? Buzz indicated that exactly this went on, that a short conversation, and he pretty much said "lights blinking", was had that which is not publicly available, mostly kept from the public in fear of some nut trying to have some impact in the mission. He is somewhat ambiguous here, it is hard to pin down exactly what he is trying to say. Was there any conversation that we may not view transcribed?

[quillius]

MID, on 22 February 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

You're welcome, Q!I don't think they did talk about it all that much, apart from the maybe 45 minutes or so they had time to look out and see it.I think it helps to remember that there three men aboard that spacecraft, getting ready to bed down for the night.  They were the 7th, 8th, and 9th Men to ever be in this part of space, and these three were in a singularly special position, as in another day or so they would attempt to execute something extraordinary, and something which would have historic significance for generations and generations to come.I seriously think their sleep was more important, and what they were about to attemp too complex and too concentrated to think about a little flashing light in the distance.

psyche101, on 22 February 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

What a way to end the day! Looking down on earth. Sorry for my slow understanding, but when you said:Any discussion the AS-11 crew was having aboard regarding this matter in 1969 was most assuredly preserved on OVR tapes and has been transcribed. I've seen some of it. Nothing earth shttering was included in the transcripts I saw. Same old stuff...thing out there blinking, etc...does that mean some discussion was had about the object that were not been released publicly? Buzz indicated that exactly this went on, that a short conversation, and he pretty much said "lights blinking", was had that which is not publicly available, mostly kept from the public in fear of some nut trying to have some impact in the mission. He is somewhat ambiguous here, it is hard to pin down exactly what he is trying to say. Was there any conversation that we may not view transcribed?

Thanks MID, as Psyche has rightly pointed out, this indicates that it WAS mentioned on the private channel. This is quite interesting as I did not think they did and it was a mistake made by 'Oberg' possibly as he alluded this was the case...in which case he knew this how? either seeing the transcripts from private channel or possibly he was told this by one of the astronauts at a later date?!!??
(I may have my wires crossed as to it being Jim Oberg)  

[MID]

quillius, on 22 February 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Thanks MID, as Psyche has rightly pointed out, this indicates that it WAS mentioned on the private channel. This is quite interesting as I did not think they did and it was a mistake made by 'Oberg' possibly as he alluded this was the case...in which case he knew this how? either seeing the transcripts from private channel or possibly he was told this by one of the astronauts at a later date?!!??
(I may have my wires crossed as to it being Jim Oberg)  

How about, you go here:

My linkAS-11 VOICE RECORDINGS


This is the CM voice recorder for Apollo 11.  It's 248 pages of talk, but it includes anything you might want to know!


Have at it!

[DONTEATUS]

Man ! can you say "DOUGH" or is it "DUH" or just good old who even cares about nah sayers and the Goofballs out there that believe in such non-sence !

[lost_shaman]

MID, on 24 February 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

How about, you go here:

My linkAS-11 VOICE RECORDINGS


This is the CM voice recorder for Apollo 11.  It's 248 pages of talk, but it includes anything you might want to know!


Have at it!

That transcript completely skips Day 2 and 3, that latter being the day of the incident.

[quillius]

MID, on 24 February 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

How about, you go here:

My linkAS-11 VOICE RECORDINGS


This is the CM voice recorder for Apollo 11.  It's 248 pages of talk, but it includes anything you might want to know!


Have at it!

will do, thanks

[MID]

lost_shaman, on 27 February 2012 - 06:04 AM, said:

That transcript completely skips Day 2 and 3, that latter being the day of the incident.

That happens.

There's anothe 100 pages to that transcript.  Cpuld be they eliminated all but relevant parts of the mission OPS they wanted to hear about (day two and three had no relevant parts to discuss), wheras day 4 and 5 posed some things I think might have been of interest to controllers and management...


Or...there's another possibility:


Perhaps it was all redacted due to the content of the conversations  (either Buzz's and Mike's potty mouths lit up a little too much   ), or, (Oh my     ), the discussion was surrounding something unusual "out there" that no one needs know about??!





Take your pick, I suppose.  




One way or another, the crew saw a UFO.  We pretty much can say what it was.  We can pretty much say we know nothing else about it, and we can absolutely say it had no bearing on the mission, or its accomplishments.  It was discussed among the men for a while, there was inded a voice recorder on board, and unless you contact NASA and find the responsible PAO officer in charge of the Apollo Archive collections of transcripts, you'll never actually know about these two days of talk.


Sorry.  I hadn't realized that there were pages missing.  My point was to show that they were transcribed and available.  The rest of the work, is yours (I'm not interested in all the in-cabin talk that took place between July 16 and July 24, 1969.  I was a bit more interested in what was pertinent at the time.).

I hope you understand.

[MID]

quillius, on 27 February 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

will do, thanks

You're welcome, Q.
As Lost has pointed out, there are some pages mising.
My advice to him regarding that still stands.

[quillius]

MID, on 27 February 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

You're welcome, Q.
As Lost has pointed out, there are some pages mising.
My advice to him regarding that still stands.

appreciated.

[lost_shaman]

MID, on 27 February 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

That happens.

There's anothe 100 pages to that transcript.  Cpuld be they eliminated all but relevant parts of the mission OPS they wanted to hear about (day two and three had no relevant parts to discuss), wheras day 4 and 5 posed some things I think might have been of interest to controllers and management...


Or...there's another possibility:


Perhaps it was all redacted due to the content of the conversations  (either Buzz's and Mike's potty mouths lit up a little too much   ), or, (Oh my     ), the discussion was surrounding something unusual "out there" that no one needs know about??!





Take your pick, I suppose.  




One way or another, the crew saw a UFO.  We pretty much can say what it was.  We can pretty much say we know nothing else about it, and we can absolutely say it had no bearing on the mission, or its accomplishments.  It was discussed among the men for a while, there was inded a voice recorder on board, and unless you contact NASA and find the responsible PAO officer in charge of the Apollo Archive collections of transcripts, you'll never actually know about these two days of talk.


Sorry.  I hadn't realized that there were pages missing.  My point was to show that they were transcribed and available.  The rest of the work, is yours (I'm not interested in all the in-cabin talk that took place between July 16 and July 24, 1969.  I was a bit more interested in what was pertinent at the time.).

I hope you understand.

Enough with the hand-waving. No-one on this thread is questioning that they went to the Moon or that this was one of the greatest achievements in History. That's not what we are talking about here.

Now you are suggesting that Day 2 and 3 were not included in this transcription because it wasn't relevant to anyone, but you said a few days ago that you've seen the transcription from the relevant time period (Day 3)?

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I've seen some of it. Nothing earth shattering (sic) was included in the transcripts I saw. Same old stuff...thing out there blinking, etc...

bolding mine.

Well its funny you said that because the transcripts we are all looking at (that you linked to) are dated August 1969 and classified originally Confidential with notation that shows these were declassified by Executive Order.

So I want to know basically same thing psyche asked you about, when did you see the relevent bit of Transcript you are claiming to have read? It is not just this transcript that skips Day 2 and 3 but Day 2 and 3 are not present in the recordings that are freely availible. Maybe these recordings and transcripts exist, but that's part of what psyche asked you and you haven't answered. Either way it is not my burden of proof to validate your claims!

[MID]

lost_shaman, on 29 February 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

declassified by Executive Order.

So I want to know basically same thing psyche asked you about, when did you see the relevent bit of Transcript you are claiming to have read? It is not just this transcript that skips Day 2 and 3 but Day 2 and 3 are not present in the recordings that are freely availible. Maybe these recordings and transcripts exist, but that's part of what psyche asked you and you haven't answered. Either way it is not my burden of proof to validate your claims!

Lost...

relax, and knock off the crap.  Go find out for yourself and stop this ridiculous insistence on MY burden of proof...when you have one youself that you can't satisfy.


You keep sying things that aren't true, like I said something about reading a  part of a transcript that was relevant to this UFO sighting that somehow, although dead and insignificant for over 4 decades, still prompts thread activity and obnoxious behavior.


I said...

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Any discussion the AS-11 crew was having aboard regarding this matter in 1969 was most assuredly preserved on OVR tapes and has been transcribed. I've seen some of it. Nothing earth shttering was included in the transcripts I saw. Same old stuff...thing out there blinking, etc...

What I said was that transcripts exist of on board voice recorders.  I heard some, I read some.
No big deal.  That was a long time ago.

I didn't listen to the tapes recorded, nor did I read all of the transcripts and...never once cared about the UFO incident and the attendant discussion that may have (and I'm certain did happen) aboard the spacecraft.

All I have said in response to Psyche was that there were recordings.  I produced a transcript.

But dear me...it's missing a few pages.  IOddly enough, the ones you absolutely need to see !
Ooops.

That must have been on purpose...

I have no idea.  I've heard the crew speak to it since on occassion, and you yourself copuld read what they've said about it.  It's nothing, and there's nothing they've said, I read or heard, or that you yourself could see in the debrief transcripts (thank GOD those pages haven't been redacted!) that's very meaningful in this matter--which isn't meaningful in and of itself.   It's rrelevant to my emphasis, and to theirs (Gee...I wonder if you might guess that their emphasis in July of 1969 might have been on mission execution and success, not some blinking light in the disstance).


I'm sorry Lost, but maybe I pissed you off when I went tongue-in cheek and said:

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That happens.

There's anothe 100 pages to that transcript. Could be they eliminated all but relevant parts of the mission OPS they wanted to hear about (day two and three had no relevant parts to discuss), wheras day 4 and 5 posed some things I think might have been of interest to controllers and management...  


Or...there's another possibility:


Perhaps it was all redacted due to the content of the conversations (either Buzz's and Mike's potty mouths lit up a little too much  ), or, (Oh my  ), the discussion was surrounding something unusual "out there" that no one needs know about??!





Take your pick, I suppose.

Why don't you take your pick?
If you really need to know, do what I said and contact NASA PAO, find the appropriate officer and get what you want  (not in person...you might get a look you won't like!   ).


Don't be obnoxious.  Especialy over an irrelevancy like this.






There is a bottom line to this matter...one that's already been established:

It was a meaningless thing.  It had no bearing on any mission aspect of the greatest scientific and technical accomplishment in human history.
We pretty much accept what it was.  You don't (and THAT--is very meaningful to all of the hundreds and hundreds of people who were involved in Apollo 11 operations all those many years past. Some of us sit around in a bar and have beer and think about people who make an issue about that stupid debris sighting  of Apollo 11!).

I don't know how many times it needs to be said.
it's dead.  

You're certainly allowed to start a whole new thread about the possibilities you imagine...but don't argue for your illusions here, and dare to get uppity about it.

I forgot more about Apollo than you'll ever know, and I am not obligated to answer your questions about irrelevant pages of transcrips that are missing for reasons you have the cpability to find out about.


Do your own job.

I remember what we did.  I liked it.  We learned so much, and accomplished so much.  It changed the world.

The SLA panel didn't.  Seeing it...or whatever the debris was, didn't either.


Has that simple idea ever sunk in?