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#3811    NO-ID-EA

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:57 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 28 April 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

He is also called Othinn, Wodan and Wotan. Some of the aliases he uses to travel icognito among mortals are Vak and Valtam. Wednesday is named after him (Wodan).
http://www.pantheon....les/o/odin.html

Wodan of the OLB is taken in by the Magi and made a God King, this fits imo that he gets transformed into Odin, a divine form of God/King of these sacrificial people. A God of war and death who had to SEEK his wisdom, he didn't have it, this could be allegorical for they took the knowledge from other people.

Odin as a son of Bor, is a son of a cow. " ra kys"

Another interesting thing from that page: He is called Alfadir, Allfather, for he is indeed father of the gods.

The OLB has a whole section on what an Alfather is:

LETTER OF RIKA THE OUDMAAGD, READ AT STAVEREN AT THE JUUL FEAST.


I have just started reading the Asatru Edda ........where  the Alfodr (Alfathr ) Odin (Othin) seems to be the Godhead of the Godin , ........calling him a godhead makes him sound like what Krishna was called........in verse 44 . it actually says " Odin knows finely , where all the missing cattle ( Go's in Krishna ,vedic stories ) are concealed under the earth.........this is a vedic story/myth.

Also verse XX11 Gullveig the Silfr Aldr and verse XX111 Jormungandr :- both of these chapters are about an Orma (probably shortened version of Aeromoder or Oeromoder ) dying and naming 3 women to tale her place ...Rosamund, Nyhellenia and Kalta/Syrhed.......all of which comes straight out of OLB.

Whats the story on this Edda folks ??  is the whole of OBL in here , ?so far i am only on 1st few chapters .or is it just a modern concoction  ??

Edited by NO-ID-EA, 28 April 2013 - 10:06 AM.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 01:41 PM

View PostNO-ID-EA, on 28 April 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

I have just started reading the Asatru Edda ........where  the Alfodr (Alfathr ) Odin (Othin) seems to be the Godhead of the Godin , ........calling him a godhead makes him sound like what Krishna was called........in verse 44 . it actually says " Odin knows finely , where all the missing cattle ( Go's in Krishna ,vedic stories ) are concealed under the earth.........this is a vedic story/myth.

Also verse XX11 Gullveig the Silfr Aldr and verse XX111 Jormungandr :- both of these chapters are about an Orma (probably shortened version of Aeromoder or Oeromoder ) dying and naming 3 women to tale her place ...Rosamund, Nyhellenia and Kalta/Syrhed.......all of which comes straight out of OLB.

Whats the story on this Edda folks ??  is the whole of OBL in here , ?so far i am only on 1st few chapters .or is it just a modern concoction  ??
You are saying that the names Rosamund, Nyhellenia and Kalta/Syrhed are in these verses of what you are reading?

In an mmm bop it's gone...

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

Being in between the devil and the deep blue sea .....between a rock and a hard place , or choosing between two evils , are some very old

sayings , in greek mythology a saying that meant the same thing was being between Scylla and Charibdis , these were two sea monsters

,  Scylla that attacked ships with six great spears on its backand Charybdis that used to drag ships under the water.

one of which was a group of six pointed rocks sticking out of the sea , and the other a massive whirlpool , Homer describes these two

monsters as living in the Messina straits , in the Mediteranian .  so even by Homers time people had forgotten where they were .


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en.wikepedia.org/wiki/Between_Scylla_and_Charybdis ..........There are many paintings and mentions of Odysseus steering his

ship , and being in great danger

between Scylla and Charybdis......one of which shows a pole on the highest of the 6 rocks of Scylla , with what is described as the Liberty

hat hanging from it, the cap is red in colour , and is probably the Phrygian Cap .

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www.ub.uu.se/en/Collections/Map-collections/Section-for-Maps-and-Pictures-map-collection/Carta-Marina/   ......An Uppsala

University site.

The map is shown as split into sections , and many of the parts of the map have letters on them , for which the key and explanation are

printed on the bottom left of the map , in section B of the map underkey ref A the key said " The Grutlanders (Greenlanders ) attacked

and sunk many foreign ships , from their skillfully sailed

leather ships .......and under key F it says "several Horrendous whirlpools in the sea called Charibdis , Charibdis is also shown as a

whirlepool on the map proper...............Could this be an indication

that Odyssius came here and was held prisoner by Syrhed (Ka-lip ) Calypso   ??


That the Phoenicians may have been here  also makes me think of Syrhed (Syria ) and Ka-lip being a Calife , Caliphe , Khalifa .

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 28 April 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

You are saying that the names Rosamund, Nyhellenia and Kalta/Syrhed are in these verses of what you are reading?

Yes but i am not sure that its  a proper Edda , it may be one of these new age modern books.

http:www//archive.org/stream/AsatruEddaSacredLoreOfTheNorth#page/n23/mode/1up


Its got no Authors name . but just Norroena Society , whoever they may be ??

Edited by NO-ID-EA, 28 April 2013 - 02:44 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 03:56 PM

According to the OLB, "Kris-en" means "herder".

And the alternative name for Krishna  was "Govinda", herder of cows (GO = cow).

Their you have your "Findas" or "Vindas".

They were cowboys, lol.


Etymology

Both names translate to "cowherd". Sanskrit go means "cow"; pāla and vinda form tatpurusha compounds, literally translating to "finder of cows" and "protector of cows", respectively. It is cognate with Slavic gowendo "cowherd".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govinda

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Edited by Abramelin, 28 April 2013 - 04:06 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 03:58 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 28 April 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

You are saying that the names Rosamund, Nyhellenia and Kalta/Syrhed are in these verses of what you are reading?

And I thought *I* had a problem, lol.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 03:59 PM

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Whats the story on this Edda folks ??  is the whole of OBL in here , ?so far i am only on 1st few chapters .or is it just a modern concoction  ??

No, the writers of the OLB created a whole new interpretation of these old names and gods.

Well, they did their best to make it all look authentic and original.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 04:12 PM

View PostNO-ID-EA, on 28 April 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Yes but i am not sure that its  a proper Edda , it may be one of these new age modern books.

http:www//archive.org/stream/AsatruEddaSacredLoreOfTheNorth#page/n23/mode/1up


Its got no Authors name . but just Norroena Society , whoever they may be ??

Have you seen this on that site (I have posted about it in part -1- ) :

Investigations into the Oera Linda Book
by Mark Puryear


Table of Contents

Chapter 1 - The Authenticity of O.L.B.
Chapter 2 - O.L.B. on the Anthropology & Patriarch Saga
Section 1
Section 2
Section 3
Chapter 3 - The War of the Burghmaids
Chapter 4 - The Magyars
Chapter 5 - The Atland & Atlantis
Chapter 6 - Conclusion - On the Prophecies of Asatru


It's here:

http://www.angelfire...ticles_rep.html


If you can't find it (the site is a mess now), i can send you the pdf.

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Edited by Abramelin, 28 April 2013 - 04:15 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:00 PM

Eyes

(Blue eyes, see fragments 4, 9, 14)

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ogen - dutch
ögon - swedish
augu - icelandic
augen - german
øjne - danish
øyne - norwegian
ojos - spanish
olhos - portuguese
occhi - italian
oči - chech, croatian, slovak
yeux - french
eyes - english

OLB-words:

eye (singular)
ÁG [16]

eyes (plural) - 9 varieties of spelling!
ÁGA [9]
AGNA [5]
ÁGNE [11]
ÁGNUM [8]
ÁGON [1,12,14,15]
ÁGUM [17]
ÁGUN [6,10]
ÔGNUM [4]
ÔGON [2,3,7]

'eyeblink' (dutch: ogenblik - german: augenblick)
ÁGEBLIK [13]

1 [00b/04]
THA ÁGON ÉNIS PÁPEKAPPE
[O-S p.3]
de oogen van een monnik
the eye[-s] of a monk

2 [007/02]
LIK. STÀRA BLONKON HJRA ÔGON
[O-S p.13]
gelijk starren fonkelden hare oogen,
her eyes shone like stars

3 [008/04]
HJRA ÔGON LOKTON ÀND LORDON
[O-S p.15]
hare oogen lokten en lonkten
Her eyes were alluring and enticing

4 [009/19]
THAT BLÁW HJRAR ÔGNUM.
WN.ET JETA THÉRE RÉINBÔGE OF

[O-S p.17]
het blaauw harer oogen
won het de regenboog af
the blue of her eyes
vied with the rainbow


5 [042/12]
AGNA UT STÁT
[O-S p.61]
een oog [ogen] uitstoot
puts out an eye[-s]

6 [063/29]
FORTH VRBLINDE HJU HJRA ÁGUN
[O-S p.89]
Voorts verblindde zij hunne oogen
Then she blinded their eyes

7 [064/08]
THA HJA SACH THAT ALLE ÔGON
VPPER FÀSTIGATH WÉRON

[O-S p.91]
Toen zij zag, dat aller oogen
op haar gevestigd waren
When she saw that the eyes of all
were fixed upon her


8 [073/07]
HEL FON ÁGNUM KLÁR FON BRYN
ÀND LICHT FON GÁST

[O-S p.103]
helder van oogen, klaar van brein,
en verlicht [:licht] van geest
bright of eye, clear of brain,
and enlightened [:light] of mind


9 [077/06]
THAT ER BLÁWE ÁGA HÉDE
[O-S p.107]
dat bij blauwe oogen had
that he had blue eyes

10 [083/19]
MIN ÁGUN WRDE THJUSTRED.
THA THÀT ÔRE LJUCHT DÉGTH VP IN MINARA SÉLE

[O-S p.115]
Mijne oogen worden verduisterd,
doch het andere licht daagt op in mijne ziel.
My eyes are dim,
but the other light dawns upon my soul.


11 [092/16]
MIN ÁGNE NE SEND FÉR FON VRTHJUSTRED TO WÉSANE
[O-S p.129]
mijne oogen zijn verre van verduisterd te wezen
my eyes are far from being dim

12 [096/06]
WEL SEND HJRA ÁGON SAFT AS LÀMKES ÁGON
THACH TOLIK SA GLANDER
THÀT MÀN THÉR SKROMLIK IN SJA NE MÉI

[O-S p.133]
wel zijn hare oogen zacht als die van een lam,
doch te gelijk zoo vurig,
dat men er bezwaarlijk in kan zien
her eyes, though soft as those of a lamb,
were so lustrous
that you [one] could scarcely look into them


13 [102/27]
THAT ER JAHWEDER ÁGEBLIK WIXLATH
[O-S p.141]
dat hij ieder oogenblik wisselt
that he changes every minute [:eyeblink]

14 [125/23]
THRVCH SIN FRISKA HUD
AND BLÁWA ÁGON MITH WIT HÉR

[O-S p.171]
door zijne blanke [frisse] huid
met blauwe oogen en wit haar
by his white [fresh] skin,
blue eyes, and fair [white] hair


15 [132/08]
FÉLO HÀVATH BRUNA ÁGON ÀND HÉR
[O-S p.181]
Velen hebben bruine oogen en haar.
Many have brown eyes and hair.

16 [167/21]
LJAFLIKA STRÉKA HWÉRAN THET ÁG FORBONDEN BILÍWET
[O-S p.227]
liefelijke streken, waaraan het oog geboeid blijft
lovely spots on which the eye rests enchanted

17 [195/16]
ALSA ÀRG IS.T KVMEN
THÀT SIN TÁT HIM NÉI THA ÁGUM SACH

[O-S p.235]
Het is zoo erg gekomen,
dat zijn vader hem naar de oogen zag [???].
It was carried so far
that his father looked up to him.
[:'saw him to the eyes'???]


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:40 PM

I prefer women with black or brown eyes, and a tan.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:12 PM

Outsmarting oldschool Dutch etymology (again)

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hommeles zn. (NN) ‘ruzie’
Vnnl. in Hoe ist er, hommeles? [1653; WNT], het sal daar lustig hommelis sijn [1681; WNT]. Ook nu nog meestal in onpersoonlijke constructies: er is hommeles, 't is hommeles, en soms naar analogie van ruzie ook ze hebben hommeles.
Herkomst onzeker. Wrsch. afgeleid van een werkwoord hommelen ‘zoeken, gonzen’ [1599; Kil.], dat ook ‘razen, tieren’ kon betekenen: nu zal 't er duivels homlen [1761; WNT hommelen]
Source: M. Philippa e.a. (2003-2009) Etymologisch Woordenboek van het Nederlands
http://etymologieban...fwoord/hommeles

Also see here: http://gtb.inl.nl/iW...modern=hommeles

Oldfrisian dictionaries:

Wiarda (1786)
Homelia: brechen, zerbrechen, zerstören
Homelenga, hamelinghe, hemelinge: das abschneiden, die verschneidung, verstümmlung

Hettema (1832)
Homelia, hommelje: afbreken, vernielen
Homelinge, hommeling: vernieling

Richthofen (1848)
Homelia: verstümmeln
Homelenge: verstümmlung

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Varieties of the word in the Oera Linda Book

verb:
HOMMELJA - to destroy [3]
(all) WÀRTH HOMLJATH - is destroyed [2]
(they) WRDE HOMLJAT - are destroyed [1]
(it) HETH VRHOMELT - has destroyed [5]
(they) SEND VRHOMLATH - have been destroyed [4]

adjective:
VRHOMELDE (BURCH) - destroyed (burgh) [6]

expressive combinations:
HOMLJATH ÀND VRDÀREN [2]
HOMMELJA AND MORTHJA [3]
VRHOMLATH ÀND VRDILIGAD [4]

1 [025/15]
THÉR WRDE HUSA HOMLJAT JEFTHA SKÉPA
[O-S p.39]
daar worden huizen vernield [:gemold] of schepen
either ships or houses are destroyed

2 [033/11]
INLANDISKA ORLOCH. HWÉRTHRVCH ELLA
HOMLJATH ÀND VRDÀREN WÀRTH

[O-S p.49]
binnenlandsche oorlog, waardoor alles
in de war gebragt en in ’t verderf gestort wordt
civil wars, and everything [:wherethrough all]
is thrown into confusion and destroyed


3 [073/28]
SÉKROPS THAM NAVT NE HILDE NI
FON MORTHJA NOR FON HOMMELJA

[O-S p.103]
Cecrops die niet hield
van moorden noch van verwoesten [: hommelen, mollen]
Cecrops, who had no inclination towards
murder or devastation
[:who didn't like to kill or destroy]


4 [161/26]
ALLE BURGUM THÉR THRVCH ÀRGE TÍD
VRHOMLATH SEND ÀND VRDILIGAD

[O-S p.219]
alle burgten die door de booze [:erge] tijd
verstoord [:verhommeld] en verdelgd zijn
all the citadels that have been
disturbed and destroyed in the bad time


5 [199/17]
TROJE ALSA HETH.ÉNE STÉDE HÉTEN
THÉR ET FOLK FON THA FÉRE KRÉKA.LANDA
INNOMTH ÀND VRHOMELT HETH

[O-S p.239]
Troja alzoo heeft eene stad geheeten,
die het volk van de verre Krekalanden (Griekenland)
heeft ingenomen en verwoest [:verhommeld].
Troy is the name of a town
that the far Krekalanders (Greeks)
had taken and destroyed.


6 [202/15]
TWISK THA BVW.FALA THÉRE VRHOMELDE BURCH STÁVJA
WAS JETA ÉNE SNODE BURCH.FÁM
MITH SVME FÁMNE SÉTEN

[O-S p.243]
Tusschen de bouwvallen van de verwoeste [:verhommelde] burgt Stavia
was nog een schrandere [:snode] Burgtmaagd [:Burgfaam]
met eenige Maagden [:Famen] gevestigd [:gezeten].
Among the ruins of the destroyed citadel of Stavia
there was still established [:seated] a clever Burgtmaagd [:Burghfam],
with a few maidens [:some Fams].


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Also plausible IMO

HOMELJA -> HMOLJA -> MOLJA -> mollen (to destroy)

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mollen ww. ‘kapotmaken, vernielen’
Nnl. mollen ‘dood maken’ [1706; WNT].
Oorspr. een Bargoens woord dat een afleiding is van het bn. mol ‘dood’ [1752; Moormann], ontleend aan Romani muló ‘id.’, waarvan de oorsprong niet bekend is. Eerder komt al Bargoens mollement “doodtsteeken” [1731; Moormann] voor.
Source: M. Philippa e.a. (2003-2009) Etymologisch Woordenboek van het Nederlands
http://etymologieban...refwoord/mollen

Also see: http://gtb.inl.nl/iW...=WNT&id=M039962

Edited by gestur, 28 April 2013 - 09:18 PM.

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:21 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 April 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

Have you seen this on that site (I have posted about it in part -1- ) :

Investigations into the Oera Linda Book
by Mark Puryear


Table of Contents

Chapter 1 - The Authenticity of O.L.B.
Chapter 2 - O.L.B. on the Anthropology & Patriarch Saga
Section 1
Section 2
Section 3
Chapter 3 - The War of the Burghmaids
Chapter 4 - The Magyars
Chapter 5 - The Atland & Atlantis
Chapter 6 - Conclusion - On the Prophecies of Asatru


It's here:

http://www.angelfire...ticles_rep.html


If you can't find it (the site is a mess now), i can send you the pdf.

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.. Thanks Abe , but i have found it ...... a great explanation , half way through , interesting stuff .]


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:37 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 April 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

And I thought *I* had a problem, lol.
What's that supposed to mean? Seriously, did I miss something?

In an mmm bop it's gone...

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:40 AM

Edits

View Postgestur, on 28 April 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

8 [073/07]
ÀND LICHT FON GÁST
[O-S p.103]
and enlightened [:light] of mind [:ghost]

12 [096/06]
THÀT MÀN THÉR SKROMLIK IN SJA NE MÉI
[O-S p.133]
dat men er bezwaarlijk [:schromelijk] in kan zien


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:47 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 April 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

According to the OLB, "Kris-en" means "herder".

And the alternative name for Krishna  was "Govinda", herder of cows (GO = cow).

Their you have your "Findas" or "Vindas".

They were cowboys, lol.


Etymology

Both names translate to "cowherd". Sanskrit go means "cow"; pāla and vinda form tatpurusha compounds, literally translating to "finder of cows" and "protector of cows", respectively. It is cognate with Slavic gowendo "cowherd".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govinda

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Govinda is finder of cows - vinda/finda/finder - but yes, you could say herder I guess.

Just as Christ is the shepherd, herder of sheep.

The Finda were cow people, finders, herders. OK.

Findas name is based in 'find'  then. Finns is 'fine' accordingly.

Fryas name is probably free, they were the free people, Finda's folk were cow herders.

Since they bought in the ra kys from the East I never doubted they weren't cow herders but the connection between finder and herder is new.

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