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[WilliamW]

If you could leave your body…

...Would you leave the Earth?

Clarified:
If you had the ability to leave your body as in float free and still be aware of who and where you are…floating above the neighbourhood and looking down upon things…floating under the stars above, and able to move and go wherever you ‘thought’ to…

…Would you decide to leave the planet to its own affairs and move on out of there?

Cheers!

[Winter Summer]

You're describing Astral Projection.

In answer to your question,  it would depend on what I found out there.

How about yourself, WilliamW, would you leave Earth?

[Ryu]

WilliamW, on 24 May 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

If you could leave your body…

...Would you leave the Earth?

Clarified:
If you had the ability to leave your body as in float free and still be aware of who and where you are…floating above the neighbourhood and looking down upon things…floating under the stars above, and able to move and go wherever you ‘thought’ to…

…Would you decide to leave the planet to its own affairs and move on out of there?

Cheers!

Yes. Yes i would. For many reasons too; one is that I am insanely bored with this world, second, I would love to be free of the physical constraints that this current body of mine has since I have spinal problems.

When I was much younger I would day dream of leaving earth to live in a place like a space station, like the one seen on "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" or something or just another planet altogether.
I was never really happy here in this world and I wished I could be elsewhere where life in general seemed to have more meaning than just being a slave for the commerce machine.

I would like to see the cosmos with my own eyes rather than always relying on other sources, that claim to be credible, to show me.

[WilliamW]

Winter Summer, on 24 May 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

You're describing Astral Projection.

In answer to your question,  it would depend on what I found out there.

How about yourself, WilliamW, would you leave Earth?

No Winter Summer.  At least not immediately.  First I would try and learn more about this ability and weather I could affect things on Earth in that state.  I have read much on Astral Projection and the infinite possibilities or worlds or places etc...which people have proclaimed to have experienced in that state.  Often they are not in control - they have more relative freedom than they do in their physical forms, but not ultimate freedom.  Often their situations vary but are still similar in nature to each other and somehow all connected.  Also there are 'heavens and hells' and all manner of creature - good evil indifferent and others...Indeed it seems certain that all experiences are related to either what the individual wants or expects and are shaped by the individuals belief systems.

[Seeker79]

WilliamW, on 24 May 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

If you could leave your body…

...Would you leave the Earth?

Clarified:
If you had the ability to leave your body as in float free and still be aware of who and where you are…floating above the neighbourhood and looking down upon things…floating under the stars above, and able to move and go wherever you ‘thought’ to…

…Would you decide to leave the planet to its own affairs and move on out of there?

Cheers!

I have done just that, and no. This earth and this existence is Just as beautiful as the others. People have just been deceived about what life is really about.

[WilliamW]

Seeker79, on 24 May 2012 - 05:00 AM, said:

I have done just that, and no. This earth and this existence is Just as beautiful as the others. People have just been deceived about what life is really about.

Interesting answer Seeker79. did you learn about this deception through doing this or through another way?

[Seeker79]

WilliamW, on 24 May 2012 - 05:09 AM, said:

Interesting answer Seeker79. did you learn about this deception through doing this or through another way?

I would consider it more of an opinion. But yes... My interactions OOB I think are defiantly part of that opinion.  And of course many people are not "deceived"....., I would take back that word and Mabey say under illusion/delusion of what life is really about. But most are.

To say deceived implys a deceiver and that wasn't really what I ment.

[FlyingAngel]

No. My first destination would be the the oceans and inside the earth (if there is any life out there). And time travel to the past would be cool too.

[WilliamW]

Seeker79, on 24 May 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

I would consider it more of an opinion. But yes... My interactions OOB I think are defiantly part of that opinion.  And of course many people are not "deceived"....., I would take back that word and Mabey say under illusion/delusion of what life is really about. But most are.

To say deceived implys a deceiver and that wasn't really what I ment.

Thanks for clarifying that.
In a practical sense, what use is this OOB ability, both to you as an individual when in that 'state' and when returning into the physical body, to your physical reality?  Which reality is more dominant?  How does the knowing that the physical reality is 'illusion' affect your interactions within that illusion?
Thanks for answering these questions.

[Winter Summer]

Now I understand the difference.  You're talking about not returning to the body by choice.
We wouldn't necessarily be restricted to the physical universe either.

[WilliamW]

Winter Summer, on 24 May 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Now I understand the difference.  You're talking about not returning to the body by choice.
We wouldn't necessarily be restricted to the physical universe either.

Kind of but not really.   Not necessarily chosing not to return to the body - at least while the body is still able to contain you...perhaps more like 'in training' for the inevitable...and also utilizing this physical experience to prepare for that inevitable through OBE training.

​Not just to die and go to 'heaven' or 'hell' or 'paradise' or wherever the desire of the individual wants - or to be hustled 'this way and that' by 'guides'...for surely according to the stories, the choices are truly endless...but to 'Be Your Own' and go where you want unrestricted.  Would the human drama unfolding on earth still be an attraction or something you would be interested in nurturing to its full potential, if - in that state - you still were able to affect and interact with the Earth and physical Universe in general?

[Winter Summer]

Quote:  "Would the human drama unfolding on earth still be an attraction or something you would be interested in nurturing to its full potential, if - in that state - you still were able to affect and interact with the Earth and physical Universe in general?"

That would be an extraordinary responsibility.  Tap into universal wisdom first, to avoid a hit and miss approach.  Then it might be possible to accomplish something truly beneficial that goes well beyond good intentions.  Just sayin.

[WilliamW]

Winter Summer, on 25 May 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

That would be an extraordinary responsibility.  Tap into universal wisdom first, to avoid a hit and miss approach.  Then it might be possible to accomplish something truly beneficial that goes well beyond good intentions.  Just sayin.

Interesting because if that would be an extraordinary responsibility in that state, wouldn't it likewise be the same in this state?  Given that the different states may allow one different skills and abilities - is not the purpose the same?  

[Seeker79]

WilliamW, on 24 May 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Thanks for clarifying that.
In a practical sense, what use is this OOB ability, both to you as an individual when in that 'state' and when returning into the physical body, to your physical reality?  Which reality is more dominant?  How does the knowing that the physical reality is 'illusion' affect your interactions within that illusion?
Thanks for answering these questions.

Not more dominant. Interconnected. Imagine an iceburg. This reality being the part that sticks out of the water. The iceberg is still a whole it's just only the part above water is brought to your attention.

Just to clarify creating an OOBE is a skill not like a power or special ability. Spend enough time in the innerspaces and one starts to realize this reality is an amazing symphony. Every experience being a note and every event serving a function.  The illusion is that we are separate from all this. We are not.

How does that make me interact differently? It slows me down. Gives me pause. I avoid stepping on bugs. I avoid eating chicken that is not free range because of the horrid conditions commercial chickens are exposed to. If I kill, I waist no time going strait for the spinal cord. This frustrates my kids when fishing because they like to see it flop around, but I feel a deep urgent sense to minimize the fish's distress.

I find myself being extended to people. I don't care about the exchange only that I'm of service. In my business, anyone who cannot afford my services is always welcome to them anyway.

I can go on. But unfortunately it ends up sounding like boasting. But it's not. It's just extension and conciousness to the world around me born of the revelations OOB.

This world is wonderful, that's partly why we are here to experience it. I am perfectly capable of taking a pernenant trip to the spirit world....we all are. But there is plenty of time for that latter. And it would be a tragedy for me not to explore this physical life and the joyouse experiences that surround it. People's miseries are born of their unfulfilled desires. They long to be free of those miseries, yet they continue to inflict themselves with the root of them. It fits the definition of insanity. Anybody wanting to float off away from this world is not living their lives properly. I would encourage them to change that. If you have a job that sucks....quit. You won't starve I promise. But you might have to give up things. If you worry about the starving then feed them. If you can't stand politics, don't watch and don't participate. If you pine for the perfect Mate go find him or her. Go now. Do you know how many lonely lovely people there are in the world. I see them everywhere.

If you feel so bad this existstance that you feel like you want to float away from it, then change your existence. Toss a back pack on and find a new way of living.  even if it means living with monks in Tibet, joining an aboriginal tribe in Africa, or simply being homeless for several years.

Edited by Seeker79, 25 May 2012 - 03:15 PM.

[Winter Summer]

Well said, Seeker79.

I personally don't feel the urge to set out on an OOB mission when there's so much to tend to and ponder here.
Like they say, just because you can doesn't mean you should.  It would be responsibility in the extreme... handle with care.