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[psyche101]

ionizerusa, on 12 February 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

I have shown my close up alien photo to some Mufon members as well as to Stanton Friedman, Bud Hopkins, Dr. John Mack, Betty Hill & many others.
Go Google Images & type "Coast to Coast devoe visitor" & look for the reddish alien looking at you. I was informed that people are just getting use to the crafts & seeing the aliens as well would be too difficult to handle for most people.

That is confusing, the Coast to Coast site says:

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About the photo...taken with a kodak camera...To begin with, a UFO appeared behind my home and business. Two customers asked "what's that?" A UFO I said...Looking at the UFO, I said that evidence was needed to show people that you are for real otherwise few would listen...Two weeks later, a customer walks-in and says keep the photo and he explains why.

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But this other site says:

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Earlier this year, I was introduced to an individual who had recently moved to Bloomington, and had expressed an interest in local UFO activity. For purposes of this report, I will refer to this person as, "Adrian." I invited Adrian to go along with us on a sky watch, and agreed to swing by and pick him/her up at his/her house, in Bloomington. While there, Adrian handed me a photo of a strange looking creature. Adrian was told it was a "Reptilian," and was taken by an abductee friend, back east.

According to Adrian, The friend was angry and frustrated at the regular intrusions into his life, and decided to snap a picture during one of the alien visits, with his Polaroid camera. Fearful of the consequences of his actions, he gave the photo to a trusted individual for safe keeping.

Supposedly, a day or so later, the abductee was visited by military/government individuals who demanded he turn over the photo to them.

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Are you Adrian, Timothy or Lynne?

[nopeda]

ionizerusa, on 12 February 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

Go Google Images & type "Coast to Coast devoe visitor" & look for

Google   "Coast to Coast devoe visitor"

Search

Your search - "Coast to Coast devoe visitor" - did not match any documents.

[nopeda]

Theater of Dreams, on 12 February 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

Here's how I see it:
It definitely would shake up major religions and conspiracy theorists.
Scientists would try to find some way to study or come in contact with them.
And many would reevaluate the means and worths of their existences.

Scientists are already trying to contact them, though if they're around they're apparently waiting until they are ready to make contact before they reply. How do you think it would make people reevaluate their existence?

I love "Images and Words", and listened to the first album and a few others. The Rush tribute was bad ass!!!  Is "Theater of Dreams" a DT album? I haven't paid attention to them in years, but did hear that they got a new drummer recently.

[nopeda]

Quaentum, on 11 February 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Your lack of belief in space-time no more negates it's existence than believing the world is flat would make it flat.

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There can be little doubt that the findings of de Sitter and others confirm that the light from both stars travelled to earth at the same speed.

In the same way your belief that space-time, space, or time exists doesn't bring them into existence either. If you believe time travel is possible that doesn't make it possible either, which of course it's not regardless of what you believe.

[mysticwerewolf]

i found something on google and not on any of the other six search engines i checked but as to whether it was an alien or a fire elemental or a false image I can't tell it is so blurred it is , for me at least, unidentifiable. it would have been much better to have been taken  during daylight instead of at night ( or against a black background)

[nopeda]

psyche101, on 11 February 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

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nopeda, on 11 February 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:
I don't believe in any fabric of space-time, or ether, or that concept by any other name. Whether or not photons have mass doesn't change the fact that if they leave an emitter at 186K mps and arrive at an object that's moving 14K mps in the direction of the emitter, the combined velocity should 200K mps. And if it's moving at 14K away from the emitter the combined velocity should be 172K mps. You seem somehow comfortable accepting the idea that the velocity of all light arriving at this planet should arrive at the same velocity relative to it, but regardless of the emitter's velocity relative to it. Most people do, yet so far no one else in this forum has been able to explain any way that could possibly be the case, or even seems to appreciate the significance of why it would have to be adjusted. It is appreciated and discussed here though:
http://www.alternati...itterEffect.htm

Maybe the Voyager probes might give some indication when they enter Interstellar space and can offer some new readings? Perhaps not so much an aether, but as you suggested a magnetic sheath such as the Heliopause?
Perhaps that might control the overall velocity of the solar system itself keeping matter restricted to a balance for want of a better word? I am comfortable with the idea of light arriving at earth all at the same speed, because it seems this is what I would consider something of a stabilised region, for instance, if we have 2 people on the ground throwing a ball to each other, and 2 people on a plane throwing a ball to each other, the ball is relative to earth in both cases. The ball will not have the planes velocity added to it as one throws it to another, it will be the same velocity as the ball on the ground (of course considering perfect conditions, that is the people throw a ball of the same weight with exactly the same force) perhaps the solar system is a way of keeping these restrictions in place? If so, all light in the solar system would be at a speed relative to the system itself, but that could possibly be based on the heliopause itself, offering as you have suggested differing speeds under differing conditions relative to each other. One system might have a different speed of light to us, making physics somewhat variable across the Universe, there is a team here in Australia thinking along those lines, they have hypothesised that constants change across the Universe, they speak of "Alpha", as opposed to labelling a resistance:

Maybe some probes will have different readings if they ever get far enough away. Your impression with the ball is incorrect though. Their velocity is relative to the Earth in both cases yes, but the velocity of the plane certainly is added unless the plane it at rest relative to the Earth, and therefore hopefully sitting on the ground. The velocities of emitting bodies relative to Earth have to be added or at least accounted for somehow too, since they also exist.

I haven't heard about the "Alpha" before but my impression is that it's the degree to which electromagnetic radiation influences matter, and if so then I can see how that might change in different adjustment and lack of adjustment type areas of space. It seems that could involve countless problems possibly even changing the stucture of things if virtual photons are really a significant aspect of atoms.

[psyche101]

nopeda, on 12 February 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

Maybe some probes will have different readings if they ever get far enough away. Your impression with the ball is incorrect though. Their velocity is relative to the Earth in both cases yes, but the velocity of the plane certainly is added unless the plane it at rest relative to the Earth, and therefore hopefully sitting on the ground. The velocities of emitting bodies relative to Earth have to be added or at least accounted for somehow too, since they also exist.

Maybe I have it wrong, or maybe I just explained myself badly. I was considering the plane and the earth as models for a co-ordinate systems. Reading back I may have  been a step in front of myself there. What I had tried to convey was that to relative observers the motion of the ball would remain constant, because both reference frames are at a uniform velocity. But if an interstellar medium is indeed nothing, then I admit I am not sure why the reference frames must be identical, we assume so because matter appears to be constant going by deep space observations. Perhaps your idea of differing frames might explain Hoyle's genuine anomalies?

nopeda, on 12 February 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

I haven't heard about the "Alpha" before but my impression is that it's the degree to which electromagnetic radiation influences matter, and if so then I can see how that might change in different adjustment and lack of adjustment type areas of space. It seems that could involve countless problems possibly even changing the stucture of things if virtual photons are really a significant aspect of atoms.

Indeed, which should also support your idea of a variable speed of light?

[ionizerusa]

Go to google, click on "images", then type in, "Coast to Coast Tim DeVoe visitor".
Look at the photos & the reddish alien should show somewheres on the top line of photos.
I am Tim & I have the original photo. I had made many larger copies of the original photo and gave the copies over the years to people who were interested in having a copy for themselves.
The photo was taken in the state of Maine.

Edited by ionizerusa, 14 February 2013 - 05:35 AM.

[mcrom901]

nasa mislabels alien probe as asteroid...

http://www.space.com...sing-facts.html

[Tesla II]

What proof? Have i missed something? Did they discover something?

And no i think people wouldnt even care if someone would say " Hey they found aliens! " " Oh really well i'm running late for work cya.. " Only if some sort of big ET crafts roll in like in independence day then maybe people would give it a second thought...
Such discovery would only fascinate us, people who are waiting for that day...
Until then we can talk theory..

[nopeda]

psyche101, on 13 February 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

Maybe I have it wrong, or maybe I just explained myself badly. I was considering the plane and the earth as models for a co-ordinate systems. Reading back I may have  been a step in front of myself there. What I had tried to convey was that to relative observers the motion of the ball would remain constant, because both reference frames are at a uniform velocity. But if an interstellar medium is indeed nothing, then I admit I am not sure why the reference frames must be identical, we assume so because matter appears to be constant going by deep space observations. Perhaps your idea of differing frames might explain Hoyle's genuine anomalies?

All velocities are relative to particular objects. Since all most people seem to consider is the velocity of things relative to the surface of the Earth they don't seem to appreciate how meaningless that is in space. Your interpretation of it relative to a ball in a plane seems to need some improvement, from my pov. To your credit from my pov, you are the only other person in this forum who I've encountered who seems even able to appreciate anything strange and unexplained about this topic. No offense, but you are one of the last people I thought would ever be able to appreciate such things. It's a nice surprise.

psyche101, on 13 February 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

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nopeda, on 12 February 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:
I haven't heard about the "Alpha" before but my impression is that it's the degree to which electromagnetic radiation influences matter, and if so then I can see how that might change in different adjustment and lack of adjustment type areas of space. It seems that could involve countless problems possibly even changing the stucture of things if virtual photons are really a significant aspect of atoms.

Indeed, which should also support your idea of a variable speed of light?

My guess would be that in an adjustment area both free and virtual photons would be influenced.

[nopeda]

ionizerusa, on 14 February 2013 - 05:21 AM, said:

Go to google, click on "images", then type in, "Coast to Coast Tim DeVoe visitor".
Look at the photos & the reddish alien should show somewheres on the top line of photos.
I am Tim & I have the original photo. I had made many larger copies of the original photo and gave the copies over the years to people who were interested in having a copy for themselves.
The photo was taken in the state of Maine.

Can you post a link to it? If it's too long you can go here:

http://is.gd/

and make a shorter link for it.

Where and how did you get the original photo?

[DONTEATUS]

Can you see Nicole Kiddman in the photo ? Now Thats a Photo i could have !

[Andromedan Starseed 333]

actually it is a threat to corrupt and rogue government(s) like the American government hell bent on being in control and manipulate the American people and let's just say the whole world if it was allowed and of other nations didn't have the means to protect and defend themselves.but this also goes to all government(s) hell bent on keeping people in the "dark" and remaining in control for their own interest and benefits and believe me people its not in our best interest and benefit what the governments have in store for us.no matter what government its from meaning from earth they are all corrupt,deceitful and want to remain in power.so in other words of course its their best interest to make people afraid and keep aliens existence a secret and etc.disclosure on the E.T presence its like walking on dynamite for them.also it would eliminate the control that the governments. have on the people.because let me tell you people the governments do not have the peoples or humanities best interest at heart!!!!especially the united states government.also Its only a threat if your one of the illuminati,nwo,Freemasons and especially the reptilian E.T race or any of the  malevolent E.T races.and these false religions and gods!!!religion is another control system,just like governments,and certain other systems.

Edited by King Cobra 1408, 24 February 2013 - 04:44 AM.

[Mikami]

I have to say that the presentation of alien life existing alone would not harm us much. But if the aliens decided to socialize with us and be in our society I think that the many stupid people out there that are so full of themselves would probably ruin it for everyone else. Just look at District 9. This is a wonderful example of how aliens would be treated if they weren't as advanced as we thought they were, I feel as though I've gone off on a tangent and I have, but to further the point, the people will harm the people, no questions about it.