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[ouija ouija]

araxia, on 23 November 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

LMFAO i never had a myspace account....

where do you get off?

I am absolutely sure you are one and the same person.

[Jeffertonturner]

araxia, on 23 November 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

should I POST MY REPLY to hasina again here about her ability to not discern between right or wrong,
since she says there is no difference between the two,
so the holocaust must have been totally RIGHT,
not wrong at all?
obviously she is the one that keeps posting,
because she wants feedback from me.

Sometimes getting pulled into nonsensical discussions is hard to avoid. The trick is knowing when to walk away.
There are many posters like yourself. Always trying to draw people into to never ending debate.

[araxia]

@hasina you say there is no right or wrong and that they do not exist,
thus you make your own laws,
because there is NO HIGHER RIGHT OR WRONG to dictate your actions,
that is what you are implying,
and this is what I AM SAYING,
if you believe that then you might as well act as if you are your own god,
because a higher being or law SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST.

[Hasina]

araxia, on 23 November 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

I am glad you say they don't exist, thank you... you prove my point.

It's so easy to pick and choose what you want to represent the other side of the argument and then say it proves your point, right?

Good and Evil.
They do not exist. Yes.
They do matter. Yes.

[araxia]

Jeffertonturner, on 23 November 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

Sometimes getting pulled into nonsensical discussions is hard to avoid. The trick is knowing when to walk away.
There are many posters like yourself. Always trying to draw people into to never ending debate.

WELL thank goodness I AM ONE OF THOSE that choose to learn from them,
and won't sweat typing for nothing.

Hasina, on 23 November 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

It's so easy to pick and choose what you want to represent the other side of the argument and then say it proves your point, right?

Good and Evil.
They do not exist. Yes.
They do matter. Yes.

if they do NOT exist

why do they matter?

now you are the one sounding nonsensical.

[Hasina]

araxia, on 23 November 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

@hasina you say there is no right or wrong and that they do not exist,
thus you make your own laws,
because there is NO HIGHER RIGHT OR WRONG to dictate your actions,
that is what you are implying,
and this is what I AM SAYING,
if you believe that then you might as well act as if you are your own god,
because a higher being or law SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST.

As I've said many a times, I do not create any laws, I live within them. The overall society I live in dictates to me what is right and what is wrong to continue this societies existence. They exist because 'we say' they do, but in actuality do they? No.

[Hasina]

araxia, on 23 November 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

WELL thank goodness I AM ONE OF THOSE that choose to learn from them,
and won't sweat typing for nothing.



if they do NOT exist

why do they matter?

now you are the one sounding nonsensical.

They keep society from collapsing into a slurry of murder and love making.

[araxia]

Hasina, on 23 November 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

As I've said many a times, I do not create any laws, I live within them. The overall society I live in dictates to me what is right and what is wrong to continue this societies existence. They exist because 'we say' they do, but in actuality do they? No.

yes BUT man made that laws right?

and you are man or human right?

if not are you an alien?

by being "man" yourself you live by the laws of man you created for yourself,

and by deciding to live by them you make them your own,

I do not see you breaking away from them,

so you are a co-creator of them.

[Hasina]

araxia, on 23 November 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

yes BUT man made that laws right?

and you are man or human right?

if not are you an alien?

by being "man" yourself you live by the laws of man you created for yourself,

and by deciding to live by them you make them your own,

I do not see you breaking away from them,

so you are a co-creator of them.

As a group, we humans have created laws, ethics, and morals which allow us to coexist with each other in a familial sense and then in a larger sense, an actual society of different view points. By saying 'killing is wrong' or 'stealing is wrong' we keep our society from degrading into petty fighting that doesn't matter in the 'larger sense' of things, which is to survive in life and make children. By making 'killing a member of your own group' something evil while making something like 'killing an enemy soldier during combat' a good thing, our society, our species has come up with ways for large groups to survive living with each other while at the same time able to protect itself.

[araxia]

Hasina, on 23 November 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

As a group, we humans have created laws, ethics, and morals which allow us to coexist with each other in a familial sense and then in a larger sense, an actual society of different view points. By saying 'killing is wrong' or 'stealing is wrong' we keep our society from degrading into petty fighting that doesn't matter in the 'larger sense' of things, which is to survive in life and make children. By making 'killing a member of your own group' something evil while making something like 'killing an enemy soldier during combat' a good thing, our society, our species has come up with ways for large groups to survive living with each other while at the same time able to protect itself.

there is a thin line between right or wrong,
by killing a killer does it make it right?
no two wrong don't make a right,
but the end serves the means or how that saying goes?
a greater good is being served while doing "wrong",
killing still stays wrong even if it is for GOOD,
it does NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.

[Hasina]

araxia, on 23 November 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

there is a thin line between right or wrong,
by killing a killer does it make it right?
no two wrong don't make a right,
but the end serves the means or how that saying goes?
a greater good is being served while doing "wrong",
killing still stays wrong even if it is for GOOD,
it does NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.

Some people would disagree with you. If you had a chance to kill Hitler right before he took power, would you? For the greater GOOD?

[araxia]

A WRONGFUL ACT can never be justifiable,
not even in self-defence since then you become a killer,
just like the one you are fighting off,
so you are asking the LAW TO PARDON YOU FOR BEING THE NEW KILLER ON THE BLOCK,
if you shoot a thief in self-defence...

cool...

GO AND KICK "behind" hasina,

you have a lot of stamina I SEE,

you are tireless,....

Edited by araxia, 23 November 2012 - 04:04 PM.

[Knight Of Shadows]

araxia, on 23 November 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

A WRONGFUL ACT can never be justifiable,
not even in self-defence since then you become a killer,
just like the one you are fighting off,
so you are asking the LAW TO PARDON YOU FOR BEING THE NEW KILLER ON THE BLOCK,
if you shoot a thief in self-defence...

cool...

GO AND KICK "behind" hasina,

you have a lot of stamina I SEE,

you are tireless,....

actually it is ..

[Hasina]

araxia, on 23 November 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

A WRONGFUL ACT can never be justifiable,
not even in self-defence since then you become a killer,
just like the one you are fighting off,
so you are asking the LAW TO PARDON YOU FOR BEING THE NEW KILLER ON THE BLOCK,
if you shoot a thief in self-defence...

cool...

GO AND KICK "behind" hasina,

you have a lot of stamina I SEE,

you are tireless,....

That's the thing, killing is just that, killing. The ending of another person's life. There's no hidden meaning behind it. You extinguish another person's chance of moving onward into the future, to reproduce and carry on their unique genetic lineage. There's nothing right or wrong with it, it just is.

Then we, as emotional, 'ethical', and 'moral' creatures start placing down road blocks and signs to lead us to these 'good' or 'evil' designations. Did you just randomly stab a guy? Did he come at you? Did you fear for your life? Was there any chance you could've just run? Did you take pleasure in the kill? Did he just threaten you with harm or did he actually try to harm you? These questions all try to phase everything out of the 'gray' area that everything exists in and tries to categorize it into the 'black' and 'white' thought process of 'right' and 'wrong'.

Are you 'evil' for killing someone who tried to kill you? No. But then again you know my stance on the esoteric titles of 'good' and 'evil'.

[araxia]

Knight Of Shadows, on 23 November 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

actually it is ..

YES BY THE MAN-MADE LAW,
but what ABOUT GOD'S LAW?
why not rather take the shot like a man,
and die an honest man/woman,
would you be able to live with TAKING A LIFE yourself?