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[zoser]

synchronomy, on 10 December 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

To give you the benefit of doubt, I just watched it again...and I don't hear him saying anything that would indicate aliens assisted with this.

Let's not speculate Synch, lets look at what was actually said:

At 5:21 in the clip:

Yet even with these high tech tools, Hopkins cannot replicate what ancient civilisations accomplished thousands of years ago.

At 5:50 on the subject of ancient sculptures and statues (Hopkins):

It's possible to do by hand, but it would take an incredible amount of time plus you have to have years of experience to pull it off.

At 9:00 in the clip; quoth Hopkins when shown photos of the PP relics:

If we were to do something like that today we would use computer driven CNC machines which have diamond tips and a template that the computer follows and even then it may not come out as perfect.

Does any more need to be said?

[zoser]

JGirl, on 10 December 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

no i mean your severely narrow mindset of - if we cannot immediately see how human beings could have done it then it must be aliens.
(even though you have nothing to draw from where they are concerned because we can't even substantiate that they exist, never mind rationalizing any reason that they would bother to come to earth and help a very small cross section of people for a very short time in a very limited way and then bugger off

You have ignored my last post to you.  Ah well.  Try watching the clip with the expert witness.

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 10 December 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Oniomancer posted this vifeo before, but it won't hurt to post it again:

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Nice steel chisels.  Is that supposed to be relevant to this discussion?

I bet the ancients wished they had a nearby Wall Mart eh?

Edited by zoser, 10 December 2012 - 08:16 PM.

[JGirl]

zoser, on 10 December 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

You have ignored my last post to you.  Ah well.  Try watching the clip with the expert witness.

ignoring is not my style zoser - which post are you referring to?

[zoser]

cormac mac airt, on 10 December 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

It's pretty obvious there JGirl. First he pretends that humans couldn't have done it, then he pretends to know who did.

cormac

I await the genius of your inspired mind to enlighten the forum oh wise one.  As you have done here many times before.

[zoser]

JGirl, on 10 December 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

ignoring is not my style zoser - which post are you referring to?

Quoth Zoser:

Let me summarise :

My starting point for the theory is the incredibly perfect architecture.  The processes that gave rise to this were not recorded or later copied,  There is no evidence that it was witnessed by the people who remained in SA at the time the Spanish arrived.

The stories tell of denial, followed by inexplicable folkore about visitors achieving the feat with unknown technology.

The counter theories presented make no sense.  The tools available are incongruent with the building work, and we have in a few places at least two distinct types of building.  One inferior, where the work is directly attributable to the Inca as witnessed and verified by the Spanish, and another seemingly flawless construction nearby which it seems no one admit's responsibility for.

The AA hypothesis has been and is being investigated by more and more people who find orthodox explanations inadequate.  Some of these people have a very specialised engineering or architectural background.  They are well qualified in their field and hold in a lot of cases professional qualifications.

Others who are cautious about the AA hypothesis, (Bauval and Brien Foester being good examples) nonetheless are puzzled at the high precision feats, how they were created and the unsatisfactory explanations that have been so far offered.

That is a pretty good starting point in my opinion.

[the L]

Zoser, offtopic, I seen that you are in love with Fermat, any special reason if may I ask?

[zoser]

JGirl, on 10 December 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

actually the thread is precisely about who when and why, so what is the logic with regard to the statement of yours that i bolded?

I meant specifically the strain of ET.

[mcrom901]

zoser, on 10 December 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

Let's not speculate

[Imaginarynumber1]

This has just gotten sad.

[the L]

Imaginarynumber1, on 10 December 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

This has just gotten sad.

How about lightning things up a little?

[zoser]

the L, on 10 December 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

Zoser, offtopic, I seen that you are in love with Fermat, any special reason if may I ask?

One of the most inspired Mathematicians of all time; creator of one of the biggest enigmas in mathematical history that baffled the greatest minds on the planet.  Still no one alive can be sure if he had a correct proof or not.  He was a family man but worked in isolation studying his passion mainly alone and so a true pioneer of his time.

Imaginarynumber1, on 10 December 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

This has just gotten sad.

Your comment on Hopkins analysis please?

[JGirl]

zoser, on 10 December 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

Quoth Zoser:

Let me summarise :

My starting point for the theory is the incredibly perfect architecture.  The processes that gave rise to this were not recorded or later copied,  There is no evidence that it was witnessed by the people who remained in SA at the time the Spanish arrived.

The stories tell of denial, followed by inexplicable folkore about visitors achieving the feat with unknown technology.

The counter theories presented make no sense.  The tools available are incongruent with the building work, and we have in a few places at least two distinct types of building.  One inferior, where the work is directly attributable to the Inca as witnessed and verified by the Spanish, and another seemingly flawless construction nearby which it seems no one admit's responsibility for.

The AA hypothesis has been and is being investigated by more and more people who find orthodox explanations inadequate.  Some of these people have a very specialised engineering or architectural background.  They are well qualified in their field and hold in a lot of cases professional qualifications.

Others who are cautious about the AA hypothesis, (Bauval and Brien Foester being good examples) nonetheless are puzzled at the high precision feats, how they were created and the unsatisfactory explanations that have been so far offered.

That is a pretty good starting point in my opinion.

my apologies - i did miss this post
well i appreciate that you have recapped because it's easier now to get your drift. not that i get your argument, i mean i get where your head is at at least
while i admire your hard boiled determination, your stubborn refusal to open your mind to other more plausible possibilities makes a mockery of your effort.
i lean toward the idea that human beings built those structures because i have seen examples of human feats that equal or rival in wonderment. i have not seen examples of alien structures, heck i have not seen examples of aliens.

[the L]

zoser, on 10 December 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

One of the most inspired Mathematicians of all time; creator of one of the biggest enigmas in mathematical history that baffled the greatest minds on the planet.  Still no one alive can be sure if he had a correct proof or not.  He was a family man but worked in isolation studying his passion mainly alone and so a true pioneer of his time.

He was Lawyer. But math was his hobi. He is one of my fav people because he was able to do two job at his best.
"I discovered a truly remarkable proof of this proposition which does not fit in the margin of the page." (Latin for "say demonstration cuius mirabilem sane detexi Hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet.") What a statement. Now thats...baldy.

It was most famous detective story in history of math.

xⁿ+yⁿ=zⁿ for all n>2

Edited by the L, 10 December 2012 - 08:35 PM.

[Imaginarynumber1]

zoser, on 10 December 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Your comment on Hopkins analysis please?

Your comments on the Spanish watching and writing about these places being built, please?
Your comments on why you continue to ignore the proof of how these things were done, please?
You comments on why aliens would drill holes in rocks, please?