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[Beckys_Mom]

aztek, on 28 December 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

good question, pbly not many, i sure am not. but the guy is a d. bag.

He is a bit of a plonker, but would you agree with what he said in ref to guns ?  Was he right? or wrong?

[Beckys_Mom]

questionmark, on 28 December 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

Well, you see, you have all the right to praise the US of A... but if you point out the dark corners you are considered "unamerican"... most wish they could deport them all to Guyana.

He just gave an honest opinion, which I know that so many  ( most likely millions ) agree with  or would agree...

I am not saying I agreed with him..to be honest, I am not sure ...On one hand I feel they should bare arms, the other I think without the guns, then it won't be as easy to kill ..It's a tough one for me personally ..Sometimes someone with the gun can be your deadliest enemy.. other times save your life

[Capt Amerika]

Hasina, on 28 December 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

I think I should have the right to have a weapon (a firearm; a pistol or a rifle, even a shotgun), to protect myself, I don't think I should have the right to be my own personal military.

Why?  are you more of a danger to society with three guns than you are with one?
At what point do you have enough guns that you snap and start shooting up the community?
A person should have as many as they see fit, as long as they are following the laws they are not the problem.

[questionmark]

Beckys_Mom, on 28 December 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

He just gave an honest opinion, which I know that so many  ( most likely millions ) agree with  or would agree...

I am not saying I agreed with him..to be honest, I am not sure ...On one hand I feel they should bare arms, the other I think without the guns, then it won't be as easy to kill ..It's a tough one for me personally ..Sometimes someone with the gun can be your deadliest enemy.. other times save your life

This petition is certainly not a reflection of middle America. If you look at it, while they have enough signatures to force the government, themes that actually matter have many more signatures.

[aztek]

Beckys_Mom, on 28 December 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

He just gave an honest opinion, which I know that so many  ( most likely millions ) agree with  or would agree...

he is dead wrong, he talks about overhauling gun laws, (wich i'm sure he does not know even 1\4 of. we already have 33000 gun laws, federal, state local... they didn't stop criminals  commit crimes. what makes him think new ones will??also i'm sick of pll telling look at uk, germany...when uk and germany, has 300mil population, 250mil guns among them, crime stats like usa, and than fix all with laws and bans, i'll look at them, but for now, there is nothing to look at.  they didn't fix anything, they haver had the problem in a first place, just like africa never had ice falling problem, :"hey not a single person in africa died from slipping on ice, or ice falling on their head, they must be doing something right.
sorry if i sounded rude.

Edited by aztek, 28 December 2012 - 07:33 PM.

[Capt Amerika]

Stellar, on 28 December 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

Isn't the first amendment covered in the bill of rights which you quite adamantly pointed out are given to you by god? Are you saying god only gave those rights to Americans?

Every person living in or visiting the United States is covered under the US Constitution.
Piers, while an idiot in my opinion, is fully entitled to speak his mind as long as he doesnt break the laws set forth by our nation and the community he is in.
This whole deportation petition is a farce that was designed for one thing and one thing only; to bring to light that we are letting people from outside our nation influence our decisions.
I dont believe Piers to be that influential but its just a way of Infowars lashing out.
Quite honestly, both parties are completely free to do what they are doing and neither will sway me in any way.
Sign the petition if you like, just dont make reservations at the airport to see him off because he isnt going anywhere.

[Hasina]

Capt Amerika, on 28 December 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Why?  are you more of a danger to society with three guns than you are with one?
At what point do you have enough guns that you snap and start shooting up the community?
A person should have as many as they see fit, as long as they are following the laws they are not the problem.

Very true. And as my dad pointed out to me during lunch, the second amendment is also in place to allow the regular citizen to protect himself from the government. He was reading from an article and if I can find it, I'll link it.

So you and my dad got me there, Amerika, my views changed on this, though personally I don't think I'll be fighting against a foreign military or my own government or my countries military, but I like that the clause is there. 'We the People' form this republic, not the government, it's there for the People.

Edited by Hasina, 28 December 2012 - 07:29 PM.

[Capt Amerika]

Beckys_Mom, on 28 December 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

He just gave an honest opinion, which I know that so many  ( most likely millions ) agree with  or would agree...

I am not saying I agreed with him..to be honest, I am not sure ...On one hand I feel they should bare arms, the other I think without the guns, then it won't be as easy to kill ..It's a tough one for me personally ..Sometimes someone with the gun can be your deadliest enemy.. other times save your life

Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people in a fraction of the time it took the kid in CT.
A ban on weapons wouldnt have stopped him and it wont stop the nutjobs with evil intent in their minds.

[Capt Amerika]

Hasina, on 28 December 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Very true. And as my dad pointed out to me during lunch, the second amendment is also in place to allow the regular citizen to protect himself from the government. He was reading from an article and if I can find it, I'll link it.

So you and my dad got me there, Amerika, my views changed on this, though personally I don't think I'll be fighting against a foreign military or my own government or my countries military, but I like that the clause is there. 'We the People' form this republic, not the government, it's there for the People.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Beckys_Mom]

questionmark, on 28 December 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

This petition is certainly not a reflection of middle America. If you look at it, while they have enough signatures to force the government, themes that actually matter have many more signatures.

I could be wrong about this, but isn't the min amount of signatures -50,000 or more BEFORE the government will consider looking at it?  That's not to say 50 thousand or more will get what they want

[Hasina]

Capt Amerika, on 28 December 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"    -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Bam! Right there, yo, homie. That's one of the quotes my father had read to me, he's a big Jeffersonian Democrat.

[Beckys_Mom]

aztek, on 28 December 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

he is dead wrong, he talks about overhauling gun laws, (wich i'm sure he does not know even 1\4 of. we already have 33000 gun laws, federal, state local... they didn't stop criminals  commit crimes. what makes him think new ones will??also i'm sick of pll telling look at uk, germany...when uk and germany, has 300mil population, 250mil guns among them, crime stats like usa, and than fix all with laws and bans, i'll look at them, but for now, there is nothing to look at.  they didn't fix anything, they haver had the problem in a first place, just like africa never had ice falling problem, :"hey not a single person in africa died from slipping on ice, or ice falling on their head, they must be doing something right.
sorry if i sounded rude.

No you didn't sound rude at all ..you were giving an honest opinion

I was reading somewhere  ( just before Christmas ) about people thinking that if say IE Teachers were allowed to be armed, that must mean that if a teacher is having a bad day, he or she could go on and shoot the students that cheese them off..  I read it and thought what the heck?   Talk about an assumption?   .. I am sure many teachers in the US have guns, and I am sure many of them can easily bring one in  IF they are royally cheesed off..

It seems that for so many, the very thoughts of arming people, must mean - shoot all around them  if cheese off at others.. You can own up to 20 guns and never feel you need to shoot anyone .. I have a stack of sharp stake knifes, been arguing with the hubby a few times..saw red, but not once did I think  Ohh look a knife, he's so gonna get it now !! It is too easy to assume all sorts may or may not happen in these cases ..

I know the gun is a much easier way to kill.. but  it doesn't mean every person armed with guns will kill... BUT I also see the argument of those that want rid of the guns too..  This is a tough one..

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 28 December 2012 - 07:46 PM.

[Beckys_Mom]

Capt Amerika, on 28 December 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people in a fraction of the time it took the kid in CT.
A ban on weapons wouldnt have stopped him and it wont stop the nutjobs with evil intent in their minds.

No it wouldn't.

[aztek]

Beckys_Mom, on 28 December 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

No you didn't sound rude at all ..you were giving an honest opinion

I was reading somewhere  ( just before Christmas ) about people thinking that if say IE Teachers were allowed to be armed, that must mean that if a teacher is having a bad day, he or she could go on and shoot the students that cheese them off..  I read it and thought what the heck?   Talk about an assumption?   .. I am sure many teachers in the US have guns, and I am sure many of them can easily bring one in  IF they are royally cheesed off..

It seems that for so many, the very thoughts of arming people, must mean - shoot all around them  if cheese off at others..    You can own up to 20 guns and never feel you need to shoot anyone .. I have a stack of sharp stake knifes, been arguing with the hubby a few times..saw red, but not once did I think  Ohh look a knife, he's so gonna get it now !!    It is too easy to assume all sorts may or may not happen in these cases ..

I know the gun is a much easier way to kill.. but  it doesn't mean every person armed with guns will kill... BUT I also see the argument of those that want rid of the guns too..  This is a tough one..

i have a mixed feeling here.i know the only way to stop a person with a gun, is another person with a gun, but i would not want teachers armed.
1 they do get p***ed by students, true, 2 of my friends are teachers,
2 you have to train everyday to be efficient with a handgun, in reality it is not easy to hit something with a pistol, let alone revolver, traing is essential, i doubt teachers will want to do it, plus it takes time that they don't usualy have.

armed trained\guards, is a bit better option, but also not 100% reliable, colombine proved it, a sicko that want to shoot up school might kill him first, or find a way around him    them.

honestly i don't see 100% reliable practical way to stop it. i doubt there is one. as long as there are ppl willing to commit crimes , they will happen, and we got plenty of such ppl, guns or not.

Edited by aztek, 28 December 2012 - 07:59 PM.

[shaddow134]

Beckys_Mom, on 28 December 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

I could be wrong about this, but isn't the min amount of signatures -50,000 or more BEFORE the government will consider looking at it?  That's not to say 50 thousand or more will get what they want

It may as well have 200,000 signatures but from what i can see,the White House seems to look at what it wants to see anyway..