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#136    zoser

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 04:39 PM

View PostOniomancer, on 28 October 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

OK, if we're going to play this game, art and music are both forms of communication, which has survival value. "Survival" though, is an outmoded misinterpretation of evolutionary theory, having largely been replaced by concepts more along the lines of Dawkins' meme theory of gene line transmission. To which end,  many animals use "music" and dance to attract mates, if often indirectly.  Compare the performances of an Elvis or Michael Jackson with those of the Bird Of Paradise.

If we're going to try and put this in any kind of context remotely relevant to the actual topic though, roosters crow at daybreak. Does that mean they acknowledge the sun as some "higher level of creation?"

Animals are making automatic responses.  Robotic and pre-programmed.  No element of choice involved.

Music and art for humans is what could be termed 'second self'; self chosen, trained and self-decided.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 04:56 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 October 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Animals are making automatic responses.  Robotic and pre-programmed.  No element of choice involved.

Music and art for humans is what could be termed 'second self'; self chosen, trained and self-decided.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:31 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 October 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Animals are making automatic responses.  Robotic and pre-programmed.  No element of choice involved.

To sing or dance, yes, but the songs and dances are learned, and refined over time.

http://www.nature.co...rdsong-16133266

Humans are also born with innate individual aptitudes for creativity without the need to be taught.


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Music and art for humans is what could be termed 'second self'; self chosen, trained and self-decided.

None of which negates the ultimate potential outcome of production.

We know the primary strategic motivation to artificially manufacture a mystery, such as a bogus "stargate."

Edited by Oniomancer, 28 October 2013 - 05:33 PM.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:38 PM

View PostOniomancer, on 28 October 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

To sing or dance, yes, but the songs and dances are learned, and refined over time.


The birds respond to the sunlight at dawn.  They don't learn it.  They are pre-coded to respond that way.

http://www.nature.co...rdsong-16133266

View PostOniomancer, on 28 October 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

Humans are also born with innate individual aptitudes for creativity without the need to be taught.


Show me a Mozart who got that way by 'innate individual attitude for creativity'.  That is without the benefit of intense training and practice.

View PostOniomancer, on 28 October 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

None of which negates the ultimate potential outcome of production.


I don't understand that statement OM.

View PostOniomancer, on 28 October 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

We know the primary strategic motivation to artificially manufacture a mystery, such as a bogus "stargate."


It may not be artificial.  It's a theory nothing more.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:50 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 October 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

The truth lies in the third vector.  Darwinism and Creationism are both are one sided views of a 3D picture.
Truth just happens to be where ever you're not, like creationism you are allergic to scientific evidence.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:03 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 28 October 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

Truth just happens to be where ever you're not, like creationism you are allergic to scientific evidence.

Well seeing as the derail is in full swing, I may as well say a few bits more. Now I bet zoser watches 'Kent Hovind' as much as he does the AA waffle... hes a big proponent of 'throw away the textbooks, all history is wrong and a lie' too, while promoting creationism.

( BTW I wonder if the amazingly honest and sincere and highly intelligent creationist -Hovind -.. is out of jail yet? :lol:  Another credible convict ) :tu:

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:04 PM

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.........you are allergic to scientific evidence.


It's too narrow and totally biased.  Much better to work things out for yourself than rely on high school text books.  Try it.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:06 PM

View Postseeder, on 28 October 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

Well seeing as the derail is in full swing, I may as well say a few bits more. Now I bet zoser watches 'Kent Hovind' as much as he does the AA waffle... hes a big proponent of 'throw away the textbooks, all history is wrong and a lie' too, while promoting creationism.

( BTW I wonder if the amazingly honest and sincere and highly intelligent creationist -Hovind -.. is out of jail yet? :lol:  Another credible convict ) :tu:
For someone who doesn't associate with creationists, zoser seems to get his information from them.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:09 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 October 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

It's too narrow and totally biased.  Much better to work things out for yourself than rely on high school text books.  Try it.
Like sites run by creationist muppets? How is that working out for you?


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:12 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 28 October 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

Like sites run by creationist muppets? How is that working out for you?

They are the anti-thesis to your belief.  Not mine.  They have only arisen and come into the public eye to neutralise what they see is an anti-thesis to their belief or religion.

In other words they are not convinced by Darwinism.

When two things are diametrically opposed be assured that neither embodies the complete truth.  The truth lies adjacent to both.

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:13 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 October 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

It's too narrow and totally biased.  Much better to work things out for yourself than rely on high school text books.  Try it.

the PC you use now ...is perfect evidence of science being right. The power that runs thru your electrics, is PROOF, science is right. Heavy metal aircraft and metal ships... are more evidence science is right. Medicines that heal...are further proof...In fact every last bit of technology in the world, is PROOF science is right

Now, kindly go away, and work out for yourself, as you said... how to split the atom....   :tu:

Deal?

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:19 PM

View Postseeder, on 28 October 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

the PC you use now ...is perfect evidence of science being right. The power that runs thru your electrics, is PROOF, science is right. Heavy metal aircraft and metal ships... are more evidence science is right. Medicines that heal...are further proof...In fact every last bit of technology in the world, is PROOF science is right

Now, kindly go away, and work out for yourself, as you said... how to split the atom....   :tu:

Deal?

Making machines?  What do you think is the long term affect of calculators, pc's, sat nav, mobile phones on the human race in general?  That's something for you to work out.

As for splitting the atom.

God help us all.  The chips have yet to come down on that one.  Be assured that they will.

Is that all?

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:29 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 October 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

Making machines?  What do you think is the long term affect of calculators, pc's, sat nav, mobile phones on the human race in general?  That's something for you to work out.

Is that all?


Its not for me to work out or even think about it. So perhaps when you have a tumour eating away at you, you may change your mind and thank God for the tech that lets surgeons look inside you, and remove that tumour. I very very much doubt you will tell the docs you cant believe in the machines, or the technology, coz all the sciuence behing them is wrong

What a hypocrite. And as for someone, YOU, who claims to work at the British Museum, how do all those fine rebuilt dinosaur skeletons look? And the all the other THOUSANDS of fossil specimens they hold there, and yes Ive been often...so how do all those leave you unconvinced?

Ah I know, they're all fake bones arent they?  All those specialists who work at the B-Museum are wrong too arent they, and all those PHd's earnt, All those Professors and top notch world class specialists at the same museum.... all that studying...all that training...down the chute

Coz zoser says so. Youre a joke mate   :td:

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:31 PM

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They are the anti-thesis to your belief.  Not mine.  They have only arisen and come into the public eye to neutralise what they see is an anti-thesis to their belief or religion.
By using straw men it does demonstrate your lack of credibility however.
EvolutionNews is run by creationists, the link you gave starts right off the bat with a straw man. Perhaps not the best way to criticize Evolution?

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In other words they are not convinced by Darwinism.

When two things are diametrically opposed be assured that neither embodies the complete truth.  The truth lies adjacent.
With your current methodology you wouldn't have to worry too much about stumbling across the truth.

BTW Using false information when it suits you puts you in no position to assure anyone of anything.

Edited by Rlyeh, 28 October 2013 - 06:44 PM.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 07:15 PM

View Postzoser, on 28 October 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

The birds respond to the sunlight at dawn.  They don't learn it.  They are pre-coded to respond that way.


http://www.nature.co...rdsong-16133266

Tsk. Didn't read the link again, did we?


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Show me a Mozart who got that way by 'innate individual attitude for creativity'.  That is without the benefit of intense training and practice
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Aptitude, and bad example: "while Leopold was a devoted teacher to his children, there is evidence that Mozart was keen to progress beyond what he was taught. His first ink-spattered composition and his precocious efforts with the violin were of his own initiative and came as a surprise to his father.[12"
Kid was playing perfectly at four and composing at five, You don't get that without a little something special inside.

Then there's Handel: http://en.wikipedia....del#Early_years

Give this a read too: https://www2.bc.edu/..._in_drawing.pdf

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I don't understand that statement OM.

Not surprising. A reference to my prior comment as to the "utility" of artistic creativity.


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It may not be artificial.  It's a theory nothing more.

They had to colate the idea from disparate sources one way or the other. We know statements made about the source material are highly questionable, and by extention the conclusion.

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