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#1    kmt_sesh

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 03:23 AM

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Dr. Mohammed Ibrahim, the Minister of State for Antiquities Affaires declared the discovery of one of the most ancient ports in history that date to King "Khufu" at "Wadi el- Jarf" Area, The Red Sea Shore, exactly 180 km. south Suez, Suez- Zafarana Road.

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This is a very interesting discovery. In one excavation archaeologists have found the oldest-known port of ancient Egypt as well as the oldest-known hieroglyphs on papyri documents. Before this discovery, the oldest records were hieratic papyri documents dating to Dynasty 5. This discovery dates to Dynasty 4 and specifically mentions Khnum-Khuf, a.k.a. Khufu, builder of the Great Pyramid. This portion of papyrus preserves the name well:

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In the very top-left corner you can see the cartouche containing the name Khnum-Khuf. In the next register to the right and in an even large scale is the serekh (long rectangular box) containing Khufu's Horus name, Medjedu.

Other sections of papyri record the duties and every-day activities of ordinary people who worked at and lived nearby the port:

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It goes to show, there is always something more for archaeologists to find.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 06:38 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 13 April 2013 - 03:23 AM, said:

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This is a very interesting discovery. In one excavation archaeologists have found the oldest-known port of ancient Egypt as well as the oldest-known hieroglyphs on papyri documents. Before this discovery, the oldest records were hieratic papyri documents dating to Dynasty 5. This discovery dates to Dynasty 4 and specifically mentions Khnum-Khuf, a.k.a. Khufu, builder of the Great Pyramid. This portion of papyrus preserves the name well:

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In the very top-left corner you can see the cartouche containing the name Khnum-Khuf. In the next register to the right and in an even large scale is the serekh (long rectangular box) containing Khufu's Horus name, Medjedu.

Other sections of papyri record the duties and every-day activities of ordinary people who worked at and lived nearby the port:

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It goes to show, there is always something more for archaeologists to find.

Thanks kmt_sesh for the post. I bet this find is sticking in a few peoples craw right about now. :w00t:

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 08:56 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 13 April 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Thanks kmt_sesh for the post. I bet this find is sticking in a few peoples craw right about now. :w00t:

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:02 AM

the cartouche with Khufu's name ... it means the aliens lost all rights to patents of pyramid building technology I think ....

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:16 AM

Oh I see; I ignore that stuff so I didn't understand.  Do they actually deny his existence?


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:37 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 April 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

Oh I see; I ignore that stuff so I didn't understand.  Do they actually deny his existence?

No no no ... only his involvement with building the pyramids and that little problem of not staying where he was supposed to be buried

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:00 AM

"They" who we all know, will even now be doing all sorts of mental gymnastics, tautologies and twists and turns to come up with some answer of monumental ignorance. Only a matter of time......

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:24 AM

"Monumental Ignorance."

Excellent pun.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 01:11 PM

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:39 PM

I don't know if this find will actually have much effect on the fringe crowd. The ancient port and its papyri are nowhere near Giza, and none of the papyri have anything to do with the Great Pyramid (in so far as I'm aware).

Those who are active in the Alternative History forum will, however, be familiar with certain posters who deny a king named Khufu actually built the pyramid. LOL Now that I peruse the above posts, I see that all of you are active in the Alternative History forum, so I think you know the posters to whom I refer. Some suggest the Giza pyramids are thousands of years older than conventionally thought, which we now know beyond doubt is laughably incorrect due to modern scientific investigations. Still, that doesn't seem to sway some posters from grasping tenaciously to disproven fringe claims.

Other posters still try to argue that the graffiti in the relieving chambers of the Great Pyramid does not refer to Khufu but to another king (and in some circles, more than one other king), which also doesn't bear further consideration. Those familiar with the linguistics of the ancient Egyptian scripts have no logical reason to doubt the authenticity of the graffiti, and fringe desperation aside, that conclusion is not going to change.

I don't want to drag fringe ideas into this discussion, considering this particular forum is geared toward more scientific discussions. To me this is a very interesting discovery but on purely academic grounds. Fringe proponents don't tend to understand the basics of historical studies in the first place, so I don't imagine they'll appreciate this find one way or the other.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 03:37 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 13 April 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

I don't know if this find will actually have much effect on the fringe crowd.
Yes, ... you do:

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Fringe proponents don't tend to understand the basics of historical studies in the first place, so I don't imagine they'll appreciate this find one way or the other.

When has that crowd ever been affected by academic findings?

Okay, I'll stop now with the fringe.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:39 AM

I know, Harte. They're natural targets. It's hard for us "skeptics" to control ourselves.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:07 AM

thanks kmt .. most interesting
more pictures of the finds and site here http://news.discover...ered-130412.htm


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:39 AM

hi kmt
you pointed out in another thread herethat Khufu's birth name and horus name have been found so far on the papyri recovered.
i know they have only found fragments so far, but i was wondering: is there any significance that might be conveyed if Khufu's official title as pharaoh is not present on any of the documents found?

Edited by blackdogsun, 14 April 2013 - 08:40 AM.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:19 PM

View Postblackdogsun, on 14 April 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

thanks kmt .. most interesting
more pictures of the finds and site here http://news.discover...ered-130412.htm
I thought the most intersting part is this, and I quote from the article

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But one papyrus is much more intriguing: it's the diary of Merrer, an Old Kingdom official involved in the building of the Great Pyramid of Cheops.
From four different sheets and many fragments, the researchers were able to follow his daily activity for more that three months.
"He mainly reported about his many trips to the Turah limestone quarry to fetch block for the building of the pyramid," Tallet said.
“Although we will not learn anything new about the construction of Cheops monument, this diary provides for the first time an insight on this matter," Tallet said.






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