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#121    psyche101

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:22 AM

View PostHazzard, on 25 January 2013 - 06:10 AM, said:

Lets do some digging and see what turns up. For and against. :tu:

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LINK - CSI


LINK - Skeptiod

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:25 AM

View PostHazzard, on 25 January 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Understandable,... seems odd that he was banned though, I never seen him do anything "bad" to anyone. He is almost as nice as Badeskov. ;) Let us know if anyone know where he went.


Back on topic, anyone. :tu:

I know in his early days he was as fiery as anyone and psyche and I had to calm him down a bit with some advice about not making this personal. He could still get feisty on occasion though. ^_^

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:57 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 25 January 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

I know in his early days he was as fiery as anyone and psyche and I had to calm him down a bit with some advice about not making this personal. He could still get feisty on occasion though. ^_^

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Edited by psyche101, 25 January 2013 - 07:58 AM.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:09 AM

Back on task though...

Owls? That seems like one of those 'outlandish' explanations that the believers always blame the skeptics for. Although it does seem to fit the descriptions fairly well I have a bit of a hard time thinking that at least one person wouldn't notice wings? The report stated that there were no exterior lights so that could be a factor too though what about any sounds? I would think some uppity owls would at least make some kind of describable noise? Surely an odd case though I don't have anything to rebut the owl angle with.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:09 AM

View PostPaxus, on 25 January 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

I second that notion... What the?.....

I don't have his contact details...

Well Pax.

We have a position open now.

You ready to log on more often, and be a skeptic?

You know you want to............ :devil:


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:16 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 25 January 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

Back on task though...

Owls? That seems like one of those 'outlandish' explanations that the believers always blame the skeptics for. Although it does seem to fit the descriptions fairly well I have a bit of a hard time thinking that at least one person wouldn't notice wings? The report stated that there were no exterior lights so that could be a factor too though what about any sounds? I would think some uppity owls would at least make some kind of describable noise? Surely an odd case though I don't have anything to rebut the owl angle with.

From the Skeptiod link, the explanation is laid out a little better, and from what I can tell, there are so many embellishments, they could just about have been heifers. The CSI link is more focused on explaining Nickell's hypothesis. To be perfectly frank, I too raised an eyebrow when I first heard it, I double checked for Quintanilla's name on it LOL,  but when we consider that just about all the story is embellished, it seems plausible.
It's one possibility I figure. No worse than shining green tiny annoying aliens that look like Goblins from our folk tales :D

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:19 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 25 January 2013 - 07:22 AM, said:

"One of the first things that struck me about this case is that there has never been any plausible reason to connect the bright light streaking overhead with the creatures." That's fair enough, it's very typical to put two different things together and assume that they must be related, but really,  an aggressive pair of the local Great Horned Owls, which do stand about 2/3 of a meter tall? That's grasping for a Rational explanation, isn't it. If they don't know what it might possibly have been, then there's no shame in saying that, but trying to grasp for any explanation that comes to mind does smack of desperation slightly, doesn't it.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:22 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 25 January 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

"One of the first things that struck me about this case is that there has never been any plausible reason to connect the bright light streaking overhead with the creatures." That's fair enough, it's very typical to put two different things together and assume that they must be related, but really,  an aggressive pair of the local Great Horned Owls, which do stand about 2/3 of a meter tall? That's grasping for a Rational explanation, isn't it. If they don't know what it might possibly have been, then there's no shame in saying that, but trying to grasp for any explanation that comes to mind does smack of desperation slightly, doesn't it.

I though it was quite outlandish to begin with too. However, the alternative is not a great deal better.

I would invite all those who do not feel the explanation is satisfactory to pull out any part, lay it next to an aspect of the Hopkinsville encounter, and explain why it is not plausible. Hell if we do get a reasonable and well thought out response, I will email it to Joe Nickell myself.


Have you ever seen an agressive bird, like A Rooster? They are pretty nasty, and rather bloody tactical b*******.

Edited by psyche101, 25 January 2013 - 08:24 AM.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:31 AM

I was thinking (on a trip to the loo...it happens, and I'll spare the details) that if there were owls nesting in the area then why an isolated event? I would think that it would be a fairly regular occurrence. However if the owls were new to the area, scouting for a decent nesting place then it makes a little more sense. The owls would find a promising spot to 'set up shop' so to speak and then proceed to run off any ne're-do-wells before laying the golden egg. In that case, seeing how they couldn't chase off the current tenants and the safety of junior was in question they likely move on to a more promising locale. In my humble opinion at least.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:50 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 25 January 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

I was thinking (on a trip to the loo...it happens, and I'll spare the details)

Well, I hope, that in the end, everything came out allright for you.

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that if there were owls nesting in the area then why an isolated event? I would think that it would be a fairly regular occurrence. However if the owls were new to the area, scouting for a decent nesting place then it makes a little more sense. The owls would find a promising spot to 'set up shop' so to speak and then proceed to run off any ne're-do-wells before laying the golden egg. In that case, seeing how they couldn't chase off the current tenants and the safety of junior was in question they likely move on to a more promising locale. In my humble opinion at least.

I have little experience with Owls, I have sen a few, but they are not exactly overrunning the area I live in, nothing like Futurama apparently.

But here, we get Magpie season, the Maggies will attack people viciously during nesting season. So will minors, Currawongs, heaps of them. Do you, or anyone I guess, know if Owls have a period whereby they become fiercely territorial like this?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:18 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 25 January 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Well, I hope, that in the end, everything came out allright for you.



I have little experience with Owls, I have sen a few, but they are not exactly overrunning the area I live in, nothing like Futurama apparently.

But here, we get Magpie season, the Maggies will attack people viciously during nesting season. So will minors, Currawongs, heaps of them. Do you, or anyone I guess, know if Owls have a period whereby they become fiercely territorial like this?

As far as I know they can become territorial (even somewhat dangerous from what I've heard) when it's time to nest with an egg however I'm not anywhere near an authority on, well any feathered animal honestly.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:48 AM

I'd have though that living in a rural area, they'd be familiar with Owls and their ways of behaviour.


Anyway, as has been discussed bfeore, we know that Owls are themselves often a cover for encounters with ETs, aren't they, at least according to some of the more imaginative theories.
So maybe it's a double bluff? They were Owles, but they were themselves a cover for something more Sinister. :passifier:

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:55 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 25 January 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

I'd have though that living in a rural area, they'd be familiar with Owls and their ways of behaviour.


Anyway, as has been discussed bfeore, we know that Owls are themselves often a cover for encounters with ETs, aren't they, at least according to some of the more imaginative theories.
So maybe it's a double bluff? They were Owles, but they were themselves a cover for something more Sinister. :passifier:

They were government disinformation agents. Outer Worlds Liaison Specialists.

:w00t:  What a hoot!

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:11 AM

Check out the 1983 Sospèl southeastern, France case where a person was shown holographic projections of past human civlizations.
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....there were now these other "extraterrestrials" present. Three of them were holding black balls in their bands. And now, upon the fog, there began to pass a series of images about 3 m. high. And soon the entire history of the Earth had been related, from Prehistory right up to the Second World War! Mme X saw "real films", retracing all our wars. Now the images would pass in procession, and now they would halt and remain stationary, like the images thrown by a projector. The dominant colour was sepia. When Mme X said that she wasn't interested in wars, the entities told her that conflicts are all that our Earth knows, and that they themselves only know this planet in that light. The witness continued to watch the images as they passed before her. When one entity had finished pointing his black ball, another took over and started projecting, to the right, or to the left, so that at one moment Mme X feared she would develop a crick in the neck. The black halls emitted no beams of light. When the projection was finished, Mme X went into the house again, accompanied by the four entities. Her husband was still asleep, and the dogs had not stirred. She attempted to ask some questions — on matters of interest to her, and of interest to scientists — about Time, about distances, and about other such matters. Their only reply in every case was to say that she would not he able to unclerstand. She also asked why her visitors were "all men". They replied that sometimes women do occompany Men, but not on this occasion....


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:29 AM

TSR, if you are claiming to be a researcher, you will know that it is very impolite (at best..) not to provide a citation/source.
At worst.. well, let's just say it isn't good...

I presume that wasn't YOUR text and image.  So CITE them properly.


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