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#16    Mr Right Wing

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 01:45 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 06 October 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

No problem, you just got refuted that's all. I gave QM theories that reject your conclusion, now what is the problem?

This proves you don't understand all the interpretations then. For instance in the MWI, even natural phenomena causes the "worlds" to split, the mind/observer actually plays no special role.

Haven't you been corrected on your narrow world view enough?
Please don't give me a youtube video, try a scientific paper.. oh wait you don't have any that support your quantum quackery..

Keep telling yourself that

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 06 October 2012 - 01:49 PM.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 01:53 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 06 October 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Keep telling yourself that
Educate yourself; http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm

Not only does MWI remove the observer dependent wave-collapse (rather interaction causes the world split), it doesn't propose this solipsism nonsense you are constantly spouting.

Edited by Rlyeh, 06 October 2012 - 01:59 PM.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 01:58 PM

Scientists believe in God because everything arround us is too compex to explain it only scientificaly.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:28 PM

View PostgOOgLer, on 06 October 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

Scientists believe in God because everything arround us is too compex to explain it only scientificaly.

No. You are incorrect. Please study the relevant sciences before making sweeping generalizations that are completely unsupported.
Here's a good place to start: http://www.talkorigi...sc/ICsilly.html

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:38 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 06 October 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

1. Educate yourself; http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm
2. Not only does MWI remove the observer dependent wave-collapse (rather interaction causes the world split)
3. It doesn't propose this solipsism nonsense you are constantly spouting

1. I've got an engineering degree and know all the interruptations.
2. Quantum Mechanics is the same under all interruptations. I'll put it in simple terms - The formulas do not change its peoples opinions as to what they mean that change. The mechanics of 'measurement' and 'interaction' are 100% identical to each other. Its not an opinion that it means materialism is wrong its the mechanics which are at odds with materialism.
3. Who says it does? Its non-duality not solipsism.

Why wont you read the New Scientist articles?
Why wont you watch the video?
Why do you keep posting such tosh?

I know why you keep posting such tosh. You're someone that seeks materialism not truth. You're biased.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 06 October 2012 - 02:46 PM.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:03 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 06 October 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

1. I've got an engineering degree and know all the interruptations.
2. Quantum Mechanics is the same under all interruptations. I'll put it in simple terms - The formulas do not change its peoples opinions as to what they mean that change. The mechanics of 'measurement' and 'interaction' are 100% identical to each other. Its not an opinion that it means materialism is wrong its the mechanics which are at odds with materialism.
3. Who says it does? Its non-duality not solipsism.
1. I guess you know how to perform brain surgery too then.

2. The "interpretations" address the behavior observed in QM. Some have taken this to meaning only our mind exists, but to say all physicists believe that is a blatant lie, in fact I named 2 famous ones who don't.
Your conclusion the mind only exists is an opinion, there is no formula or math that asserts this.
BTW materialism is the belief all is made of matter/energy. Superstring theory proposes everything is made of oscillating 1 dimensional strings. Perhaps materialism isn't that wrong after all.

3. BS by any other name.

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Why wont you read the New Scientist articles?
Why wont you watch the video?
Why do you keep posting such tosh?
Because they aren't credible.
New Scientist isn't peer-reviewed. If it states physicists believe only the mind exists, then it is no better than a creationist site that claims most scientists are creationists.
I could post a video of a scientist saying the earth is only 6000 years old. YouTube videos have no inherent credibility.

Edited by Rlyeh, 06 October 2012 - 03:07 PM.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:27 PM

I wonder what makes it special that a scientist beehives in G*D, that a scientist believes in some of the crap certain religions are trying to spoon feed us would be much more remarkable.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:30 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 06 October 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

1. I guess you know how to perform brain surgery too then.

2. The "interpretations" address the behavior observed in QM. Some have taken this to meaning only our mind exists, but to say all physicists believe that is a blatant lie, in fact I named 2 famous ones who don't.
Your conclusion the mind only exists is an opinion, there is no formula or math that asserts this.
BTW materialism is the belief all is made of matter/energy. Superstring theory proposes everything is made of oscillating 1 dimensional strings. Perhaps materialism isn't that wrong after all.

3. BS by any other name.

4. Because they aren't credible. New Scientist isn't peer-reviewed. If it states physicists believe only the mind exists, then it is no better than a creationist site that claims most scientists are creationists. I could post a video of a scientist saying the earth is only 6000 years old. YouTube videos have no inherent credibility.

1. My brain surgery understanding is as good as your QM understanding.
2. When atoms stop being particles (no measurement) then materialism is wrong.
3. The wavefunction is non-duality. Look at its maths and you'll discover its the unification of all possibilities.
4. When you start dismissing the New Scientist you have a problem.

Hang on I'll be back later after some alcohol. I'll give you a list of articles from Scientific American to CERN. We can watch in amazement as you dismiss them all without a clue what you're going on about.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:01 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 06 October 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

1. My brain surgery understanding is as good as your QM understanding.
2. When atoms stop being particles (no measurement) then materialism is wrong.
3. The wavefunction is non-duality. Look at its maths and you'll discover its the unification of all possibilities.
4. When you start dismissing the New Scientist you have a problem.
1. Not surprising then you know little of either.
2. This is called a straw man, I've already given the definition of materialism. You're using some definition that not even materialists today use.
3. Baseless assertion, where is the mind represented in the wavefunction?
If you did know all the interpretations, you'd know not all treat the wavefunction in the same manner. But haven't we already been over the fact mathematics is an approximation when dealing with the universe? I'm pretty sure others pointed this out to you.
4. Look what it did to you.

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Hang on I'll be back later after some alcohol. I'll give you a list of articles from Scientific American to CERN. We can watch in amazement as you dismiss them all without a clue what you're going on about.
Just make sure to read them first, we all know what happened when you tried to prove color was subjective.

Edited by Rlyeh, 06 October 2012 - 04:29 PM.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:02 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 06 October 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

1. My brain surgery understanding is as good as your QM understanding.
2. When atoms stop being particles (no measurement) then materialism is wrong.
3. The wavefunction is non-duality. Look at its maths and you'll discover its the unification of all possibilities.
4. When you start dismissing the New Scientist you have a problem.

Hang on I'll be back later after some alcohol. I'll give you a list of articles from Scientific American to CERN. We can watch in amazement as you dismiss them all without a clue what you're going on about.

Mr Wing...you pontificate and talk about things you do not know a damn thing about(google aside)...shut up and stop being a fool....!!!





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