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CheetoMan2009

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Hi, i was woundering if BurnSide would be so kind as to give me a little help as tips to train one's mind for Lucid Dreaming, And perhaps answer a couple of questions. I'm very interested in tapping into the subconscious by any means, i've continuously tried meditating but don't believe i'm really getting any results, as it seems like i'm wasting time because all i manage to do is sit there with my eyes closed and become tired. Its also about impossible to restrict thought, i can only manage to restrict thought for a matter of seconds. Every time i begin to let everything(Awareness of senses) slip away, i always tend to observe it which causes me to once again become completely aware of all senses.

I have many intense dreams, but never aware its a dream until i wake. How did you go about training your self to become aware while in the dreams? After you became considerably good at lucid dreaming, did that help you out with meditating, or do you meditate? I'm truly interested in hearing your thoughts and suggetions, not to doubt anyone else, but by posts i've read of yours and understanding that you where or maybe still are skeptical, i tend to trust you judgement better than reading tips off the countless sites.

What about OBE's, have you ever had any? I have had one, while trying to test the pin-wheel, i got bored and spaced out for a few seconds then somehow ended up zooming in on the wheel until it was in my face(From 6 feet away). I then started to slightly tilt sideways and became aware of the situation and had a thought which caused me to appear like i snapped back to my head.

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Opps, i seam to have placed this in the wrong section, is there any way i can move it to Dreams & Consciousness?

Or is there anyway i can delete it?

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I'll ask one of the mods to move it.

I'm truly flattered you're asking me specifically for my thoughts. I do want to clarify right off the bat that I am not considerably good at lucid dreaming. Far from it, I am an avid beginner, and still don't fully understand exactly what lucid dreaming is. I look at it from the perspective of someone who has had several strange experiences but does not understanding them enough to put definitive belief on them.

That been said, I believe I can give some advice as to how to experience it for yourself.

My first lucid dream was in my childhood, I don't remember it very well, but I remember becoming aware, focusing on doing something, and then getting lost in the story of the new dream, becoming unaware again.

Then a few years ago, I had another experience. It was an incredibly profound experience to which it could be said changed my life. I decided to drop my excessively skeptical opinion about consciousness and dreaming, and did some research.

I want to mention that I believe False awakenings, Lucid dreaming, night terrors, dreams of an oppresive malevolent force and the phenomenon of astral projecting are all closely connected. From what I've read or experienced. I read a lot about certain feelings, sounds and sensations that i've noticed whilst falling asleep before unusual experiences and focused on then to learn how to meditate.

I have to mention something about where I was mentally when I first started lucid dreams and false awakenings. I was spending many nights with very little sleep, sometimes going for 2, 3 or even 4 days consecutively without sleeping and just take my word for it, when your mind goes without sleep, things start to get very strange.

Albous Huxley said, and I fully agree with him, that the human brain is actually an eliminative tool. It's primary function is to take in reality, and filter that down until it's just enough of perception of reality that humans can survive with on a daily basis. We sense exactly what we need to sense for our interactions with others, food gathering, mating and the like, and the rest of reality, including dimensions higher than our measly 3, are filtered out. Usually the mind is like a value turned tight letting only a drip of reality through. But what if we can open that value just a little more, see a bigger picture, what then?

Sleep deprivation is like that. It's odd to note that usually I need glasses, but after having been awake for over 36 hours, my vision gets sharper until i don't need glasses at all and can peer into the distant horizon. My senses get sharper and my brain starts to shut down.

Now i'm well aware and entertain as a skeptic the idea that i'm causing damage in this way which makes me sense a different perception of what's going on around me. What is a hallucination anyway? What if it's always the same hallucination, like glowing force fields of fuzzing energy around people, and around me that I can interact with and build up. I can't tell you what it is.

As this went on I also noticed when I did finally sleep, I'd experience sometimes frightening sensations. A strange vibration starting deep inside me and then all through me like a wave with a murmuring sound. Moments where I'll be drifting off and suddenly conscious but unable to move. Loud buzzing and beeping sounds in my head in rhythmic patterns. And then the false awakenings. Very interesting. Where you wake up, lie in bed for a bit, get up, go about some normal activities and then one of two things happens. You either wake up, or you start to notice things are wrong somehow. It's not your bed, the toilet is in the wrong place, or it's so dark and oppressive.

If you realize this you usually follow into the realization you're dreaming. Hello, lucidity.

Tips.

Get as comfortable as possible, in a position you will not need to move from, in a dark room with no distractions.

Focus on your body. Feel the aches out, picture them melting away. Feel all your muscles and picture them melting into a warm relaxed pile of goo on your bed. Picture your head completely relaxed.

Don't move.

Focus on the darkness of your closed eyes. Picture the darkness as an expansive dark space. Focus on any colours or patterns you see. Think of the darkness as your room, and picture your body as it is glowing in the darkness.

Focus on the tingling sensation in your hands and your feet. Make it stronger.

Listen to the sounds coming from your mind. Make them louder.

Stay focused on all these things. Keep your mind engaged on these things. Don't wander into new thoughts. Expansive darkness, buzzing, vibrations, light breathing.

That's how I meditate. The best time to move onto the next step doing this is early in the morning, or during an afternoon nap. Before going to bed has less chance of working, because you will be too tired, and fall asleep.

When I started feeling the strong vibrations they terrified me. It's a frightening ordeal at first. It's powerful, it goes right through you, and your body is shutting down and of not much use. The vibrations are, and this is my own thoughts and opinions not scientifically backed, brain waves telling your body to shut down and hibernate. Usually by this time your subconscious would have wrestled control of your mind from your conscious. Subconscious is where we normally are asleep, running movie like dreams.

If you are still conscious, this is great. Your body is shutting off, and your mind is entering sleep mode, and with you awake...

Try not to fight the vibrations. If you wrestle control of your body back, you wont be able to enter that state again. Try to lie still.

Where you go from there, I can't really help you.

I remember falling into a false awakening once. I woke up, got out of bed, walked down the street, did some stuff, went back to my house. When I got back in I realized things were off, my roommate was being strange, and the air was thick and heavy. I started to get afraid. What is going on? I was sure I could not be dreaming, everything was exactly as it is in reality. Hard and pointy and, well, real. But then the screaming started. This horrible inhuman screaming and everything gets dark and presses you from all sides and you try to wake up.

And wake up terrified.

This happened to me, one night, 15 consecutive times. I'd fall asleep, have the dream where i'm in my room and the screaming is pressing on me, then wake up, fall asleep again, same thing. 5 mins over and over.

I did some reading that actually mentioned the screaming and the negative feelings. Apparently, it's common. I believe it has something to do with your conscious and subconscious wrestling for control of your mind. Lucidity usually follows if you can stand the screaming. Hello, lucidity.

Tips.

Keep a dream journal. It's the MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO. Keep a dream journal. A notebook beside your bed. When you wake up, concentrate on writing. Kick yourself into writing in it. Get up, write. If you go back to bed after, best time to induce lucidity.

Everyone dreams, every night. The key to controlling your dreams starts with how well you can remember them. Writing trains your brain to remember your dreams easier and easier. Writing words conjured from images keeps those images in your head longer. You're literally training your brain even with just the thought of a dream journal to keep dream imagery in your memory longer.

This is KEY. Seriously. Your conscious will begin to recognize and understand when it is dreaming easier and easier with time doing this. You will be able to tell when you're dreaming and wake up easier.

I had a lucid dream last Saturday, it was strange. I woke up in my girlfriends bed, then stayed awake for a couple minutes before dozing off again. But it wasn't a usual sleep, my consciousness remained active as i meditated and started feeling the vibrations before dozing again.

I awoke in the bed and got up, started doing menial things. Talked to Farrah talked to a friend, went outside for a smoke, came back in. All felt like and appears in my memory as things I really did. The dream did not feel like a dream, fractured. But as I stepped back in, I looked around. It occurred to me, something felt strange. I looked at the wooden walls, touched them. Felt normal. I remembered a trick i've read about. It was also in the movie 'Waking Life' which i sincerely recommend to anyone interested in lucid dreaming.

I've been doing it a little in reality, which is what trained me to think about doing it in my dream. I flicked a light switch. Apparently light switches don't work in dreams.

I flicked the switch, thinking not much of it.

And holy crap.

Hello lucidity, in a big way. Everything was waving and there was incredibly energy everywhere. Noises i couldn't decipher, deafening. I was losing it. I closed my eyes and chanted a mantra of 'focus on lucidity' over and over. I opened. The energy was still there but everything returned to normal. I walked over to my bed, saw myself and my girlfriend sleeping there. Woke up looking where I was in the dream.

Hello.. OBE?

Jeebus. This is really enough rambling about lucid dreaming for now. I hope some of this is useful, I'm afraid I don't know what else to do besides share my experiences, opinions on them and techniques. Good luck.

DREAM JOURNAL!!

Edit.

Daymn that's a long post hahaha.

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Thanx for the reply, information and tips. I think i know the buzzing effect you speak of, and on another note the screaming thing is kind of a crazy coincidence. I've had crazy dreams more than once, but in the end of this one there was some really odd and loud screaming comming from the woods at which point i awoke. I have read before that writing your dreams down could very well improve or help to lucid dream, but have considered it alot of work with no personal guarantee it will work. Your background of skepticism and basicly how honest you come off gives me more confidence in the system, so i think i will give it a try. Once again, thanx for your input.

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Nice allot of that is quite detailed, and I like your explanations, though having ALLOT of experiences I would have to say a couple extra bits of info:

There are many different type of sleep that science still has not defined, but the starting of it is "nap" sleep. This is where your mind weakens the link to your body so that your body can gain energy, your brain then slowly goes deeper into sleep the longer you nap. Now the next step up which is one of my favorite states is the point between where your mind lets go of your body and as BurnSide says your conscience wrestles with your conscienceless mind. At this point after practice you can learn to "chose" whether or not to go fully passed out or to stay lucid. After this if you chose to pass out your body and mind will go into whats labeled REM sleep but at the higher level, after a period of time depending on how stressful of a day you had you will go into deep REM this is what completely rejuvenates and you feel rested.

Also to further understand about your brain and how it operates in different wavelengths (which you learn to be able to hear in both meditative states and day-to-day with focus)are different wavelengths that are Alpha, Beta, Theta, Delta, and Gamma and are associated with different points of sleep and conscience.

There are also many ways you can force yourself to become lucid but I do not suggest any because it may be hazardous to your health but include:

Drinking coffee or energy pills just before you go to sleep

Staying awake long periods of time and doing the same as above

There are more but these are the least damaging...

Hope I helped you a bit, and I offer you luck for this because it is amazing to do, I've lucid dreamed since I was about 4 so I can control it so well... You can fly, be invincible, have women, save people, and even re-create video games and continue to use those games at a later time. Its great fun stuff, its literally anything you could imagine come to life, except you know its not life, but you controlling it...

Actually a horror story from me would be where I was in a dream, and forced myself lucid, and then forgot that it was a dream... I started using my powers such as flight, telekinesis etc. and thought it was real, I started crying in my dream thinking that I could really do it all... I then went to sleep in my dream and woke up in reality... it was trippy lol to say the least.

Well good luck and if you have an questions feel free to ask me by PMing me.

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Your background of skepticism and basicly how honest you come off gives me more confidence in the system, so i think i will give it a try. Once again, thanx for your input.

Hi Cheeto, thanks for your response, and you're welcome. My aim here isn't to convince anyone one way or another as to explain what lucid dreaming is, or the phenomenon associated with it. Only to help those who are interested in seeking the truth through their own experiences. Unfortunately those who are extreme in their skepticism can not understand that lucid dreaming is achievable, with mediation, dream recall, and practice. Try to form a habit of waking, recalling, and writing.

I'm a message away if you want to discuss your progress further.

Nice allot of that is quite detailed, and I like your explanations, though having ALLOT of experiences I would have to say a couple extra bits of info:

Thanks for your input G3NOM3, it's much appreciated. I gotta say, it's nice to be having a rational discussion with level headed people for once.

Also to further understand about your brain and how it operates in different wavelengths (which you learn to be able to hear in both meditative states and day-to-day with focus)are different wavelengths that are Alpha, Beta, Theta, Delta, and Gamma and are associated with different points of sleep and conscience.

I'm especially excited that you mentioned wavelengths. I left this out of my post because I don't understand enough about them to personally feel I can form correct opinions. But I know, from what i've researched, the vibrations mentioned are connected with the brain changing between different wavelengths. Indeed the buzzing in the skull i mentioned is one, and it's been said if you can meditate and focus on the buzzing lucidity and 'OBE' are easier achieved.

There are also many ways you can force yourself to become lucid but I do not suggest any because it may be hazardous to your health but include:

Drinking coffee or energy pills just before you go to sleep

Staying awake long periods of time and doing the same as above

Indeed. Another point I made was that I started really getting into this after many months of sleep deprivation.

I find it encouraging our opinions are alike.

Well good luck and if you have an questions feel free to ask me by PMing me.

Good luck to you too dreamland wanderer. And likewise.

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