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#31    Render

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:27 AM

View PostYamato, on 21 June 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

No, I don't know where you're getting your information at but you need to look at a chart right away.   The recovery in the markets has been the trend for years already.  Europe and last year didn't do anything to this trend.   If you can't admit you're wrong after seeing any major stock index chart I will gladly carry the water and post here for you, then you don't know what you're talking about and you're hopelessly unable to admit it.

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YOu really don't have a clue do you?

What, again, i am saying is. A positive trend is beginning to show in data, that economy is possibly starting to move in the right direction. So markets are now aligning themselves with this, shown by a bull market from the beginning of this year. So they are correlating with the data. Now the markets feel the economy is being threatened by a possible loosening of QE, shown by a bear raid.
Were you alive in 2012, did you notice the massive bear market? So why oh why, if data has been positively trending for all this time, according to you..was there such a heavy bear market?? because there was no trend so attention turned towards Europe and politics.

There was no TREND last year in data in the US. One week you had a semi good job report, the next couple of weeks they were awful, then you had one week it could be perceived as beating the odds, to just have another bad report after that. So no trend was set. Get it?
Now good report after good report has been shown..since the beginning quarter of this year. So markets are turning their eyes over to the data and watching closely to see if the positive trends holds or fails.

OPEN YOUR EYES, following stock markets isn't just looking at one lousy chart.

Edited by Render, 21 June 2013 - 09:28 AM.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:38 AM

View PostRender, on 21 June 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

YOu really don't have a clue do you?

What, again, i am saying is. A positive trend is beginning to show in data, that economy is possibly starting to move in the right direction. So markets are now aligning themselves with this, shown by a bull market from the beginning of this year. So they are correlating with the data. Now the markets feel the economy is being threatened by a possible loosening of QE, shown by a bear raid.
Were you alive in 2012, did you notice the massive bear market? So why oh why, if data has been positively trending for all this time, according to you..was there such a heavy bear market?? because there was no trend so attention turned towards Europe and politics.

There was no TREND last year in data in the US. One week you had a semi good job report, the next couple of weeks they were awful, then you had one week it could be perceived as beating the odds, to just have another bad report after that. So no trend was set. Get it?
Now good report after good report has been shown..since the beginning quarter of this year. So markets are turning their eyes over to the data and watching closely to see if the positive trends holds or fails.

OPEN YOUR EYES, following stock markets isn't just looking at one lousy chart.
Look at any chart of any major index to prove how delirious you are.

The trend in US employment, just like the markets has already been established for years already.

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A trend isn't defined as avoiding the ups and downs that the market is always going to have.  I don't know what you're talking about.   What trend is just beginning that hasn't already started years ago? Show me the source of your information that this trend in whatever it is you think you're talking about is "just beginning" now.   If you can't show me what you're talking about I am going to conclude that you are incapable of showing it.

Edited by Yamato, 21 June 2013 - 09:42 AM.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:50 AM

View PostYamato, on 21 June 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

Look at any chart of any major index to prove how delirious you are.

The trend in US employment, just like the markets has already been getting lower for years already.   A trend isn't defined as avoiding the ups and downs that the market is always going to have.  I don't know what you're talking about.   What trend is just beginning that hasn't already started years ago? Show me the source of your information that this trend in whatever it is you think you're talking about is just beginning now.

The hell? Are you actually asking me to give you links to every job, housing report the last couple of years?? Can't you look at information yourself?

The markets haven't been good for a while, lots of bear markets. If only investing was as easy as following your major indexes charts, then we'd all be rich eh. Cmon...you have to realise there's more behind it. If you didn't follow the news the last 5 years then i can't help you. I can't just sum up 5 years in one post. Or actually i can : It was bad and now it may be going better, but it still has to prove itself. You either are knowledgeable about the facts or you aren't.

US employment is getting lower??? So you are not even up with current reports. So you're just trying to discuss things here you know nothing about. Pointless.
Job gains have gone up, unemployment has been going down.
Unemployment rate april 2012: 8.2, now 7.6.
Job gains June 2012: 69000, now 175 000

And these reports are also more or less consistent with recoveries in home sales etc... that's why it's possibly the beginning of a trend, it's all coming together. And now it just has to hold.
But you don't have a clue, so whatever. Pointless.

View PostYamato, on 21 June 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

I don't know what you're talking about.  

Maybe we should just leave it at that.

Edited by Render, 21 June 2013 - 09:55 AM.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:56 AM

View PostRender, on 21 June 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

The hell? Are you actually asking me to give you links to every job, housing report the last couple of years?? Can't you look at information yourself?

The markets haven't been good for a while, lots of bear markets. If only investing was as easy as following your major indexes charts, then we'd all be rich eh. Cmon...you have to realise there's more behind it. If you didn't follow the news the last 5 years then i can't help you. I can't just sum up 5 years in one post. Or actually i can : It was bad and now it may be going better, but it still has to prove itself. You either are knowledgeable about the facts or you aren't.

US employment is getting lower??? So you are not even up with current reports. So you're just trying to discuss things here you know nothing about. Pointless.
Job gains have gone up, unemployment has been going down.
Unemployment rate april 2012: 8.2, now 7.6.
Job gains June 2012: 69000, now 175 000

And these reports are also consistend with recoveries in home sales etc... that's why it's possibly the beginning of a trend, it's all coming together. And now it just has to hold.
But you don't have a clue, so whatever. Pointless.
Home prices have been trending higher for years.  Stock prices have been trending higher for years.  Unemployment rates have been trending lower for years.   There is no trend you can show that's just beginning now.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:56 AM

Pointless.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:05 AM

View PostRender, on 21 June 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

Pointless.
When you have no evidence for your claims that a trend is just beginning now, yes it is pointless to keep repeating yourself.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:09 AM

View PostYamato, on 21 June 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

When you have no evidence for your claims that a trend is just beginning now, yes it is pointless to keep repeating yourself.

the evidence is all around you
You simply refuse to see it for some reason.
Maybe re read this thread until you understand. And look up some extra information about stock markets. And see how it has gone better, very slightly last couple of years, only to go down hard again and level out. Now we're looking for a more long lasting positive trend. Which would point towards a strong economy. Which is why QE is starting to talk only now, after all these years, about possibly loosening the grips of QE. GET IT? That's why it hasn't been up for discussion before, because this is the first time in a long time a longer actual positive trend may be happening. And the stock market is watching like a hawk and acting accordingly.

If you're gonna carry on being oblivious and posting you lil charts, thinking you understand it all..then whatever, keep deluding yourself.

Edited by Render, 21 June 2013 - 10:12 AM.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:31 AM

View PostRender, on 21 June 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

the evidence is all around you
You simply refuse to see it for some reason.
Maybe re read this thread until you understand. And look up some extra information about stock markets. And see how it has gone better, very slightly last couple of years, only to go down hard again and level out. Now we're looking for a more long lasting positive trend. Which would point towards a strong economy. Which is why QE is starting to talk only now, after all these years, about possibly loosening the grips of QE. GET IT? That's why it hasn't been up for discussion before, because this is the first time in a long time a longer actual positive trend may be happening. And the stock market is watching like a hawk and acting accordingly.

If you're gonna carry on being oblivious and posting you lil charts, thinking you understand it all..then whatever, keep deluding yourself.
I'm not oblivious when all the data confirms what I'm saying.  There's not a single trend you can show that's just beginning now so I must reject your claims as false.

The other major trend that's been ongoing for years that we haven't discussed yet is debt accumulation.  If there was any real underlying recovery not dependent on Ben Bernanke's heroin injections, we wouldn't have routs like we just had for the past two days.  He can't even hint at letting up without a sell-off.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:27 AM

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Are you gonna keep going in circles or actually start learning what it's all about?


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:13 PM

View PostYamato, on 21 June 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

I'm not oblivious when all the data confirms what I'm saying.  There's not a single trend you can show that's just beginning now so I must reject your claims as false.

The other major trend that's been ongoing for years that we haven't discussed yet is debt accumulation.  If there was any real underlying recovery not dependent on Ben Bernanke's heroin injections, we wouldn't have routs like we just had for the past two days.  He can't even hint at letting up without a sell-off.

Didn't the stock mart plunge more than 350 points yesterday?

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Stocks plunged Thursday as investors reacted for the second day to the Federal Reserve signaling it may pull back later this year on its massive bond buying that has helped fuel the economy.

The Dow Jones industrial average closed down 353.87 points, 2.3%, to 14,758.32 -- its biggest one-day point drop since Nov. 9, 2011 -- when it ended down 389 points. The broader Standard & Poor's 500 finished down 40.74 points, a drop of 2.6%, to 1,588.19 and below the psychologically significant 1,600 mark. The tech-laden Nasdaq composite index dropped 78.57 points, 2.3%, to 3,364.64.

The blue-chip Dow is now 5% lower than its all-time high set in late May. And it's the eighth straight day of triple-digit moves up or down in the Dow, the longest such streak since early October 2011.

The yield on the 10-year Treasury note jumped to 2.42%, the highest level in 22 months. Gold prices plummeted more than 6.9%, $94, to $1,280 an ounce. And oil prices fell to about $93.45 a barrel, a 3.9% decline for the day.
Investors are reacting so negatively because fear is setting in on how well the market can do without the intervention of the Fed, says Michael Farr of Farr, Miller & Washington. "The reaction we're seeing should be expected after five years of dependency on Fed intervention and monentary policy," Miller says.

The transition of the market to stand on its own two feet, rather than counting on easy money from the Fed, is hammering investors who piled into risky stocks that were riding the wave of quantitative easing, he says. "Risky stocks are no place to be right now," he says.

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Stocks took a sharp nosedive across the board Thursday, with the Dow posting its worst day of 2013, after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke hinted the central bank may scale back its asset purchases later this year.
With the declines from the last two sessions, the Dow and S&P 500 wiped out all of their gains from May and June.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average (Dow Jones Global Indexes: .DJI) plummeted 354 points, with all 30 components in the red. The last time the blue-chip index closed down more than 300 points was last November. The Dow is down more than 5 percent since its May closing high.
The S&P 500 (^GSPC) and the Nasdaq (^IXIC) also closed near their lows, with the S&P crashing through a key 1,598 level that traders had been watching. All three major averages were back in negative territory for the week, and on track for their fourth-weekly decline in the last five weeks.
The CBOE Volatility Index (VIX), widely considered the best gauge of fear in the market, spiked near 20, hitting a new high for the year.
All key S&P sectors finished sharply in the red. Defensive names have been getting hit the hardest over the last two days, the last two days, with utilities and telecoms down more than 4 percent each.

From: http://finance.yahoo...-192903040.html


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:28 PM

A whole economic theory based on one day in the market.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:31 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 21 June 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

A whole economic theory based on one day in the market.

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haha, man are they gonna be confused when stocks go up today. Well, they're pointing up so far, so let's see.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:02 PM

I'm a little scared.  For awhile Bernanke talks tight, market goes down, Bernanke talks opening, market thinks economy is tanking, goes down.  For the summer it looks "lose lose" for the market.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:07 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 21 June 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

I'm a little scared.  For awhile Bernanke talks tight, market goes down, Bernanke talks opening, market thinks economy is tanking, goes down.  For the summer it looks "lose lose" for the market.

I dno. The weekly reports and such wont stop coming. So as long as the numbers stay positive, i dont think the market is gonna tank severly.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:13 PM

I guess.  I've thought I had it made a couple times in my life only to see it dissolve, so I guess I am bound to be uneasy at sudden swings.  The company I work for is American so now I have a considerable interest in how well the economy there does.

I let you have the ball today with the no-nothings, as you seem to be better at keeping your patience and know more.  /Grin/





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