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[preacherman76]

FurthurBB, on 28 February 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

Delude yourself all you want, only the choir will ever believe this nonsense.

Believe what you want. I didnt say anything that isnt 100% documented fact. But then, Im talking to someone who justifies the shed blood of the most innocent among us. It must take some serious twisted understanding to reach that conclution.

[HerNibs]

Cassea, on 28 February 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

I think it is wishful thinking to say a baby can't feel anything.  It's the same justification for eating lobster boiled alive. "it can't feel it."  If you are willing to kill it, at least acknowledge the truth.  You are killing a baby.  

This is the fetus at 8 weeks.

http://www.telegraph...on.html?image=1

I would not characterize this as a "pile of cells"  I would call it a fetus.  By suggesting that it is a "pile of cells" you are dehumanizing it to make it more justifiable.  It's not a pile of cells.  Not at all. It's a fetus.

No, it isn't "killing a baby".  It is terminating a non-viable fetus.

NOW - like I said, I am pro-choice but I am even more pro-education.  

I would hope that someday abortion isn't even a debatable topic because contraception is so widely used and understood that "abortion" is just something that is considered in life and death situations.

But until that point, I have to go with being pro-choice.

Nibs

[Beckys_Mom]

FurthurBB, on 28 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Not where I live, because it is illegal.  14 & 1/2 weeks is the latest you can have an abortion in my state.

A late-term abortion often refers to an induced abortion procedure that occurs after the 20th week of gestation.<-- sometimes that can be up to 21-22 weeks.. http://en.wikipedia....on_of_pregnancy


A 20 week ultrasound scan is known as the BIG one.. You get to see your baby and it can tell you the gender, and if there is anything wrong with it ..

[FurthurBB]

preacherman76, on 28 February 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

http://www.telegraph...on.html?image=1

This is 8 weeks. I count 10 fingers and 10 toes. That is a living human. But what ever gets you through the night I guess.

Whatever makes you feel self righteous, I do not need help getting through the night.  I had one sort of abortion at a Catholic hospital and though the whole experience was traumatizing, the end was actually the least traumatic.  When I say that to people my husband always says, it wasn't really an abortion and I guess technically he is right.  It was more like completing a miscarriage that wouldn't complete on its own and all they gave me was a drug to dilate my cervix.  Either way I would not have felt bad about it.

[Helen of Annoy]

Sure. It’s a full baby as soon as holy sperm dives into not as holy but almost holy egg and it sings hosanna.
Then comes evil eugenic monster and rips that tiny but full person out, because that’s what evil people do for fun.
Most such foetuses were Beethovens, and that’s why modern music sucks, because of abortion that took all Beethovens away, leaving only Puff Daddys around.
The moral of the story is: use contraception. So I don’t have to lead pointless discussions with religious nuts who love to exaggerate when it suits their irrational agendas.
Depopulation or overpopulation, both ideas are insane and invade my ****en privacy.
End of story.

Edited by Helen of Annoy, 28 February 2012 - 07:45 PM.

[FurthurBB]

Beckys_Mom, on 28 February 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Yes it is a baby and  it is not just an  opinion.. It is a baby in developement   Still living, heart beating, kicking baby...  I know  I hapen to be pregnant at the min and felt it kick around 16 weeks myself.. So YES it is a baby..

I don't agree and I have had three children.  So, no matter how many times you say that, we will not agree.

[Cassea]

HerNibs, on 28 February 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

No, it isn't "killing a baby".  It is terminating a non-viable fetus.

NOW - like I said, I am pro-choice but I am even more pro-education.  

I would hope that someday abortion isn't even a debatable topic because contraception is so widely used and understood that "abortion" is just something that is considered in life and death situations.

But until that point, I have to go with being pro-choice.

Nibs

It is not terminating a non-viable fetus.  It is terminating a viable fetus.  In some cases it may be terminating a non viable fetus.  But this is not usually true.  Usually there is nothing wrong with the fetus.  It is just inconvenient.


What I object to is the way the poster stated that the fetus is a "pile of cells."  

this is a pile of cells

http://www.google.co...s:0&tx=63&ty=62


By characterizing a fetus as a "pile of cells" we are dehumanizing it to justify it's killing.  This is a very common thing to do.  I am saying, if you have no problem with abortion.  Then stop trying to white wash it.  You are killing a baby and/or killing a fetus.  You are killing something.  You are not simply "removing a pile of cells."

Why the dishonesty?

[FurthurBB]

Cassea, on 28 February 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

I think it is wishful thinking to say a baby can't feel anything.  It's the same justification for eating lobster boiled alive. "it can't feel it."  If you are willing to kill it, at least acknowledge the truth.  You are killing a baby.  

This is the fetus at 8 weeks.

http://www.telegraph...on.html?image=1

I would not characterize this as a "pile of cells"  I would call it a fetus.  By suggesting that it is a "pile of cells" you are dehumanizing it to make it more justifiable.  It's not a pile of cells.  Not at all. It's a fetus.

Of course it is a fetus.  I am not going to say it is a baby because it is not.

[preacherman76]

FurthurBB, on 28 February 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

Whatever makes you feel self righteous, I do not need help getting through the night.  I had one sort of abortion at a Catholic hospital and though the whole experience was traumatizing, the end was actually the least traumatic.  When I say that to people my husband always says, it wasn't really an abortion and I guess technically he is right.  It was more like completing a miscarriage that wouldn't complete on its own and all they gave me was a drug to dilate my cervix.  Either way I would not have felt bad about it.

It isnt self rightious to point out that a child at 8 weeks old is in fact a developing human.

If you were having a miscarrage, then thats different. That isnt a abortion.

[FurthurBB]

preacherman76, on 28 February 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Believe what you want. I didnt say anything that isnt 100% documented fact. But then, Im talking to someone who justifies the shed blood of the most innocent among us. It must take some serious twisted understanding to reach that conclution.

I think you are the one that is twisted.  Also, the most innocent among us are children.  I would never justify the killing of children.  So, you can keep trying to sell your cheap knock offs, only the choir is again buying them.

HerNibs, on 28 February 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

No, it isn't "killing a baby".  It is terminating a non-viable fetus.

NOW - like I said, I am pro-choice but I am even more pro-education.  

I would hope that someday abortion isn't even a debatable topic because contraception is so widely used and understood that "abortion" is just something that is considered in life and death situations.

But until that point, I have to go with being pro-choice.

Nibs

I completely agree with this.

[preacherman76]

A fetus IS a baby, in development. Again, I count 10 fingers and 10 toes. That is a human.

[preacherman76]

FurthurBB, on 28 February 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

I think you are the one that is twisted.  Also, the most innocent among us are children.  I would never justify the killing of children.  So, you can keep trying to sell your cheap knock offs, only the choir is again buying them.

Agreed. The most innocent among us are children. Somehow your twisted mind, brain washed, cant recognize some of them, even when you can litteraly count the fingers. I dont care who "buys" it. If there is justice in the afterlife, I hope you are treated with more mercy then you have afforded them.

[FurthurBB]

preacherman76, on 28 February 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

It isnt self rightious to point out that a child at 8 weeks old is in fact a developing human.

If you were having a miscarrage, then thats different. That isnt a abortion.

Well, the doctors at the catholic hospital felt the need to cover up what they did.  They said they gave me the drugs in preparation for a D&C because I HAD miscarried.  The truth is that the fetus had been in the birth canal still alive for a week and 1/2 and I was bleeding through four pads an hour and had to have a blood transfusion.  I went back to the hospital three times and on the third time, when nothing had changed, three doctors and two nurses decided they were going to give me a drug to dilate my cervix, lie about it, and hope that would put an end to it.  Luckily it did, because what would they have done if it didn't?  The one doctor told me they probably would have gone ahead with the D&C because they were afraid I would die if they let me leave the hospital again.

[FurthurBB]

preacherman76, on 28 February 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

A fetus IS a baby, in development. Again, I count 10 fingers and 10 toes. That is a human.

Again, I am not going to agree and your definition does not fit with anything I was taught in my extensive education in biology.

[FurthurBB]

preacherman76, on 28 February 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Agreed. The most innocent among us are children. Somehow your twisted mind, brain washed, cant recognize some of them, even when you can litteraly count the fingers. I dont care who "buys" it. If there is justice in the afterlife, I hope you are treated with more mercy then you have afforded them.

LOL!  You are just ridiculous!