Gabriel Posted October 21, 2004 #1 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Its every wicca's favorite month and every one knows what that means, holloween! Candy ,specters, and the occasional egging. But dose commercial holloween affend wiccas? On a news site Fark.com i saw an artical that a school was banning childern wearing there costumes at school, stating that some parents cant afford costumes, the costume show takes up too much classroom time (this is an elementrey school mind you.) and that they dont want to affend any real witches! SO witches from near and far lend me your ears do you find holloween offencive now-a-days? my two cents: i really thing is a dumb rule, there just kids dressing up as sponge-bob, or superman no harm to anyone, sure this can be a religous time for some people but they arnt mocking any belifes anyone has, they are there for the candy. even the most dead-acated (ha ha i crack my self up.) wiccas would have to agree its not offencive to see some cute little kid be dressed as pooh bear on the 31th,there just children having fun. offending witches hasnt been a big priorty in the past or there would have never been holloween (i.e. dressing rediculosly for entertainment.) But wiccas let me know have u feel is it offending or not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discordia Posted October 21, 2004 #2 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I used to be big into the wicca religion when I was younger, I don't think it's offensive at all. I do believe it's harmless and it's nice to see all the children dressed up in their costumes and excited about getting candy. IF it was so offensive, don't you think there would have been more outcry about it until now? after all, it was something I looked forward to when I was in elementary school and I'm sure almost every kid does also. Still to this day I would dress up to go to a halloween party. That school is just being ridiculous about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted October 21, 2004 Author #3 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Thanks for ur imput Discordia my dear, i do agree they are being ridiculous, and i allways look forward to it in school too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted October 21, 2004 #4 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I see no difference with this and Christmas, to some people. If you ask this question you must also ask 'Does commercial christmas offend christians?' and state of course that some parents cannot afford presents, and that christmas activites take up to much classroom time etc etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discordia Posted October 21, 2004 #5 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Np. :] Just thought of something else.... Most of all holidays are commercialized. Like Christmas, most Christians themselves celebrate the theme of Santa Claus, Giving their children presents, although Christmas is really about the birth of Christ. So does this mean we should ban Santa Claus in school because it could "offend" the Christian religion? Ofcourse the answer is no because most Christians are O'kay with this. And what about easter? It's about the resurrection of Christ but we portray it with the Easter bunny. This also doesn't offend most people of the religion. So I don't see why they would make Halloween such a big issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted October 21, 2004 Author #6 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Very valid point as allways Burnside, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted October 21, 2004 Author #7 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Good point my dear, all most every holiday is very commerlized i dont rember jesus passing out colored eggs either! i dont think kids dressing up would offend too many real witches. (after all that just makes them cuter and more appitizing to eat right girls! j/k j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillcrazy Posted October 21, 2004 #8 Share Posted October 21, 2004 First of all I think the proper word is 'Offend' not affend. But to answer the question and add to Burnsides comment, Any "Holiday" that is based on a belief system can turn offensive if it has a commercial aspect. Christmas and Easter are often treated as a commercial holiday even though both are Christian celebrations. Halloween or all Hollows eve is a pagan and wiccan ritual. (To the best of my knowledge, I'm not well versed in either.) Memorial day, Veterans day, and a few others have lost the meaning for why they were created and have become times for stores to sell items at jacked up then reduced prices. However, you can only be offended if you allow yourself to be offended. Just my two cents worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted October 21, 2004 #9 Share Posted October 21, 2004 It's the same as Discordia said. My view is, if you are a Wiccan who is offended by people celebrating Halloween, then you should not celebrate christian holidays such as Christmas. If you are offended by people doing one thing, and then turn around and do that exact thing, well, speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillcrazy Posted October 21, 2004 #10 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I have got to learn to type faster. Everyone seems to get a response in before me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted October 21, 2004 Author #11 Share Posted October 21, 2004 so sorry crazy, most of my family is from west virgina, affend along with yall are accepted words, my apologies. now the reason i take umbrage is i think the kids are having a friendly , fun event spoild for them childhood goes so fast (for some atleast) why make it go anyfaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted October 21, 2004 #12 Share Posted October 21, 2004 and that they dont want to affend any real witches! Great, this is like they've banned Christmas in schools overhere because they say it offends Muslims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticus22 Posted October 21, 2004 #13 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Christmas and easter were originally pagan festivals which christianity has made their own. The symbol of the easter bunny and easter eggs is taken from the pagan idea of rebirth and fertility, the christmas tree as we know it used to be a ritual used by pagans who hung fruits and nuts from a tree. The Coca Cola company turned christmas into a commercial venture. Have you not noticed how many more coca cola commercials are broadcast in the run up to christmas? Halloween is seen in pagan beliefs as the the time when the veil between our world and the spirit world is at its thinnest. I don't agree with the commercial side of these celebrations, but I don't see any harm in celebrating it in any way you choose. I personally don't celebrate christmas in the commercial way. My fiancees' family does, and I do join in, but I think a few nice bevvies have more to do with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nxt2Hvn Posted October 21, 2004 #14 Share Posted October 21, 2004 and that they dont want to affend any real witches! Great, this is like they've banned Christmas in schools overhere because they say it offends Muslims 318609[/snapback] WHAT??? .. that is awful! Poor talon... no coal in your stocking this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Posted October 21, 2004 #15 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Wicca's don't get offended - they get even. Ha! Just a little humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticus22 Posted October 21, 2004 #16 Share Posted October 21, 2004 *sings I put a spell on you* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted October 21, 2004 Author #17 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Talon i didnt not know that its not right really, here in our schools prayer is outlawed but muslims have there own room to go pray in side school. (not hate'n on muslims but if we have to be tollerent so does everyone else no excptions.) Interesting post mysticus, out of curiosity how do u celebrait these holidays . if u celebrait them personaly soloumly and your not like to share i understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted October 21, 2004 Author #18 Share Posted October 21, 2004 lol that old black magic has me in its spell , dobe dooobe dooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted October 21, 2004 #19 Share Posted October 21, 2004 and that they dont want to affend any real witches! Great, this is like they've banned Christmas in schools overhere because they say it offends Muslims 318609[/snapback] WHAT??? .. that is awful! Poor talon... no coal in your stocking this year 318615[/snapback] Christmas is also banned here for all Schools and Government buildings. They have to refer to them as 'Holidays' not Christmas. Right wing political correctness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nxt2Hvn Posted October 21, 2004 #20 Share Posted October 21, 2004 and that they dont want to affend any real witches! Great, this is like they've banned Christmas in schools overhere because they say it offends Muslims 318609[/snapback] WHAT??? .. that is awful! Poor talon... no coal in your stocking this year 318615[/snapback] Christmas is also banned here for all Schools and Government buildings. They have to refer to them as 'Holidays' not Christmas. Right wing political correctness. 318643[/snapback] Awwww Burny... that means no coal for you either... well I guess it can be Holiday coal.. but just doesn't have the same meaning! Okay.. I will stop now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticus22 Posted October 21, 2004 #21 Share Posted October 21, 2004 For easter, or as it's called in wicca Ostara we celebrate the birth of new ideas, the setting of goals, etc. We have an area in our flat that we decorate with the colours of spring, egg shaped objects, downy feathers, bright coloured candles and fresh smells. We cleanse the energy in the flat using sage smoke, allowing new and fresh energy to come in. All of this is done with the intent to create an atmosphere were new ideas can take root. Christmas or Yule in pagan beliefs is the winter solstice, shortest day of the year, first official day of winter. It's also a pagan celebration of the suns' renewal and coming warmth. It's a time to reflect on yourself, look inside yourself and find peace. It's also a time that you can see that after death (winter) there will be life again (spring). At home we tend to decorate but using elements that reflect the season. As to celebrating it with family, it's more about spending time together than receiving expensive gifts. Oh, and having a few drinks too many! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted October 21, 2004 #22 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Christmas and easter were originally pagan festivals which christianity has made their own. true Poor talon... no coal in your stocking this year get stuffed next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted October 21, 2004 Author #23 Share Posted October 21, 2004 that puts things in perspetive for me thanks mysticus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nxt2Hvn Posted October 21, 2004 #24 Share Posted October 21, 2004 (edited) Poor talon... no coal in your stocking this year get stuffed next Huh? Edited October 21, 2004 by Nxt2Hvn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticus22 Posted October 21, 2004 #25 Share Posted October 21, 2004 No problem Gabriel! Anytime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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