Authenticity of the Bible

[marduk111]

:chello every one i was interested in the opinions of you people on the authenticity of the new testament....any links would help to. Thank You im very open minded...i think the new testament is faulty at best//my gf's been trying to.."convert" me which i hate.

[twpdyp]

http://bible.com/

Try there, I hope you find the information you seek.

[Independent1]

:chello every one i was interested in the opinions of you people on the authenticity of the new testament....any links would help to. Thank You im very open minded...i think the new testament is faulty at best//my gf's been trying to.."convert" me which i hate.  

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It is certainly not "perfect", but I don't think it is completely faulty either.

Is there a specific book, verse, story, or parrable that you have concerns about?

[Discordia]

I couldn't tell you either way; I look at the bible as teachings of life, as something that establishes morals. Wether or not it's authentic it does teach good lessons.

[Independent1]

I look at the bible as teachings of life, as something that establishes morals. Wether or not it's authentic it does teach good lessons.

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That's a great way to look at it. Too many people expect too much out of the Bible (infallibility), or look to make it meaningless by finding little (or not so little) inconsistencies/inaccuracies. But the teachings in the Bible give us some great insight on how we can live our lives in ways that are good/moral.

[Venomshocker]

Read the book "The case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. Its a well researched book detaling the authenticity of the new testament only.

[Independent1]

Read the book "The case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. Its a well researched book detaling the authenticity of the new testament only.

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What general conclusions did it come to? ( I realize that might be like asking to sum up Stephen King's Dark Tower series in the space of a few paragraphs, but to every extent that you can summarize the findings, that would be great.)

[Venomshocker]

The book methodically goes through the different scrolls of the new testament is made up of and examines the validity of the events described in the new testament. It does a correlation with other historical sources; goes into motives, delves into the psychology of some of the stuff, examines supposed contradictions, etc. The book reads like a law trial, examining evidence, and brings both sides of the story.Those 'experts' who think its a load of BS and also those 'experts' who believe its the truth.The book really is compiled of interviews with these various professors, archaelogists, psycholgists etc.

One thing I did find lacking about the book, is it never went into how the new testament was actually put together. Why some books were allowed in, and others not. And who got to decide. In fact, if anybody knows of any books that detail how the bible was put together let me know.

Edited October 25, 2004 by Venomshocker

[Mel]

It is important to remember that many things become lost in translation.

[rachelkleypassparrow]

My family is descended from 'Cleopas' Luke 24. If the NT is a myth so is my existance and the existance of every one descended from the line.

[gsr]

http://www.biblebelievers.com/BibleVersions.html

http://www.apuritansmind.com/PuritanWorship/KJVBible.htm

http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_61.html

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/index.htm

http://www.webbiblestudies.org/kjv/kjv.htm

http://www.av1611.com/kjbp/

http://www.icr.org/bible/kjv.htm

http://www.jesusfolk.com/Bible/Topics/

[beowulf]

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/dawkins_18_3.html

http://freethought.freeservers.com/reason/complexity.html

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/shb...salek_13_2.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/fra...otionalism.html

http://www.trueorigin.org/virus.asp

http://www.trueorigin.org/sa_01.asp

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/crazy.htm

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/index.html

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/Jew...sus/celsus.html

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/Jew...tertullian.html

[Fluffybunny]

http://www.lets_try_not_to_post_just_a_boatload_of_links.com/please.html

http://www.tell_us_why_you_are_adding_the_links.com

http://www.and_how_the_links_add_to_the_discussion.com

http://www.thank_you.com/for_your_support.html

http://www.fluffybunny.com/oy.html

[Diebytheflyguy]

Setting an example, are we?

[beowulf]

Well, he started it! Seriously, I added all those links to make a statement, that for every biased web site, there is a corresponding biased web site for the other side of the story exists....I hate when people do something like that, it's like they have no thoughts of their own and must valid themself thru others. Kinda like "sheeple" and you know what happens to them - they get fleeced! Seriously though, before you get too hyped up on "Case for Christ", you really ought to read Jeffery J. Lowder and Earl Doherty's reviews of the book and the points of serious ommission and falsehoods that they bring up. Seems our friend Stobel isn't the unbiased hardnosed legal reporter that he claims to be! You can find their reviews in the library on Infidel.org.

[Nobody]

The bible is a book. What do you know about books?

The Iliad is a book too. Have you read it?

Just because a book is old and has good "common sense" information in it does not make it any different from any other book.

Are you seeking a way to stress your belief?

Are you seeking for proof that you are right?

Are you really looking for truth?

Do you really need a book to show you what you believe is in your heart?

[Independent1]

The bible is a book. What do you know about books?

The Iliad is a book too. Have you read it?

Just because a book is old and has good "common sense" information in it does not make it any different from any other book.

Are you seeking a way to stress your belief?

Are you seeking for proof that you are right?

Are you really looking for truth?

Do you really need a book to show you what you believe is in your heart?

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I am not sure who your questions are addressed to, but I'll give you my answers.

The bible is a book. What do you know about books? Lots. Books are made of paper and bound together. They have lots of words, and if they are well written those words make intelligent, cohesive thoughts.

The Iliad is a book too. Have you read it? No, and I don't care to. It's not my thing and doesn't interest me.

Just because a book is old and has good "common sense" information in it does not make it any different from any other book. Of course. What it is important to note is that the Bible records the observations and understandings of Christians regarding God. It isn't perfect, but it is very insightful for Christians who want to know the thoughts and experiences of people who were devoted to God and people who were around at the time Jesus was crucified.

Are you seeking a way to stress your belief? Yes

Are you seeking for proof that you are right? No.

Are you really looking for truth? Yes

Do you really need a book to show you what you believe is in your heart? Need---No, but it is still a very valuable resource for understanding God and his promises to us.

All my opinion, respectfully submitted.

Edited October 27, 2004 by Independent1

[The Gryphon]

:chello every one i was interested in the opinions of you people on the authenticity of the new testament....any links would help to. Thank You im very open minded...i think the new testament is faulty at best//my gf's been trying to.."convert" me which i hate.  

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Keep in mind the book we call the bible is a revised collection put together by the Emperor Constatine. That occurred by what some name the Nicene council. Constatine is critizied for removing anything that might taint Christ's demigod status, namely his humanity. It makes you wonder how much was removed and remains missing? It is the message after all that is important. If you can believe regardless of it's censure, that's what's important

[marduk111]

:chello every one i was interested in the opinions of you people on the authenticity of the new testament....any links would help to. Thank You im very open minded...i think the new testament is faulty at best//my gf's been trying to.."convert" me which i hate.  

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Keep in mind the book we call the bible is a revised collection put together by the Emperor Constatine. That occurred by what some name the Nicene council. Constatine is critizied for removing anything that might taint Christ's demigod status, namely his humanity. It makes you wonder how much was removed and remains missing? It is the message after all that is important. If you can believe regardless of it's censure, that's what's important

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Oh yes ive forgotten about that....it makes sense whenever i bring up the unincluded scriptures to my girlfriend she just says "I wont even go there"..... its like hellooooo yet no response yes that does make sense to me gryphon lots o sense indeed.

[dazdillinjah]

Marduk the best thing to do is read what the NT has to say for itself its an awesome story whether you believe or not

[marduk111]

Marduk the best thing to do is read what the NT has to say for itself its an awesome story whether you believe or not 

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......Yes but what of the unincluded writings......i mean....yea its kinda self explanetory

[dazdillinjah]

The uncanonised texts are cool to know about but they are difficult to put into any context until youve read the NT for yourself. Look on the bright side, youll be impressing your girlfriend at the same time *L*

[marduk111]

The uncanonised texts are cool to know about but they are difficult to put into any context until youve read the NT for yourself. Look on the bright side, youll be impressing your girlfriend at the same time *L*

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Haha....yes i suppose your right but its just hard for me to have a blind-eye and deaf-ear about all the uncanonised texts...but i will read the NT though and the OT....and for that matter is'nt it the best of course to read the hebrew version? I mean im sure that theres many translatory differences between hebrew and english....call me crazy..

[saucy]

There's a ton of stuff in the bible that proves it's divine. The bible uses prophecy. No other religious or even non-religious books states divine authority and backs it up with prophecy. There are over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament concerning Jesus and the last book was written some 450 years before Jesus was even born. Many of the prophecies include detailed descriptions about where He would be born, how He would live and even details about His crucifixion even before crucifixion was known. I could write a whole thing about bible prophecy and back it up with bible verses and such.

[marduk111]

Saucy thats all good and such but my problems with all the uncannonized texts....most people that I bring it up to never give me a difinite answer they just act as if it wasn't even asked or get all flustered about it and call me close minded....lol hmmm yes yes me close minded....yess yess...