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#46    SurgeTechnologies

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

I would just like to say that people like Hazzard,cormac and bmk are just flaming and should stop... McG posted tons of data and pictures and usefull links maybe some actualy were real events.

On the other hand those 3 and probably more are doing nothing but flaming no usefull material from any of those.
Maybe bad attitude...but hey they just want to see " proof " ...

This forums should be more moderated in lines of attitude.. stop provoking start posting..

Where is boony these days? The guy was perfect example of calm and datafulled debates.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:41 PM

I know for a fact Santa exists, I've even seen him at the mall!


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:45 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 14 January 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

I know for a fact Santa exists, I've even seen him at the mall!

thats nice


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:32 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 13 January 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

Let's just say that I saw one myself, and afterwards came in contact with the real UFO investigation in the military, although I never worked for it myself.  I know that it's real, though, just from they information they gave us.  This was all a long tome ago.
I've said before that whoever drew this picture must have had access to the same kind of information we were shown.  This comes as close to the real thing as any pictures I've ever seen on the Internet.
These are also pretty similar, although I cannot vouch for its origin or authenticity.  It is very similar to what we were shown.
What was your experience with xts? What sort of information were you later given about them, and why? What reasons was it distributed to people for?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:33 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 14 January 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

While your experience may not be meaningless to you it's also not evidence of anything of an extraterrestrial origin. And while I congratulate you on having a PhD, regardless of field, it's irrelevant to the final analysis of whatever you claim to have seen. An analysis of which, as you've pretty well admitted, you're not qualified to make. All of which means it amounts to nothing more than what you WANT to believe. Regrettably, just because one wishes to believe in something doesn't make it true.
Are you aware that the same is true for the one possibility that no xts have ever been here? Or do you think it's only true for the countless possibilities that they have?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 14 January 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

I would just like to say that people like Hazzard,cormac and bmk are just flaming and should stop... McG posted tons of data and pictures and usefull links maybe some actualy were real events.
On the other hand those 3 and probably more are doing nothing but flaming no usefull material from any of those.
Maybe bad attitude...but hey they just want to see " proof " ...
People like that can't get to the starting line, probably ever at any point during their entire lives. If so, how and when? They also have no evidence that xts have not been to this planet. How could they have? They wish they could but can't, so they instead often deny that any evidence of xts exists. People here discuss lots of evidence all the time, yet some of those who can't get to the starting line try to deny that it exists even while they are involved in discussions about it. How clever is that?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:38 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 14 January 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

I know for a fact Santa exists, I've even seen him at the mall!
What do you think a person in a Santa outfit has to do with the possibility that beings from other star systems have been to this one? Do you think the fact that humans made up the idea of Santa somehow prevents interstellar travel to this star system, and if so how? If not, why did you even bother to bring it up?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

View Postquillius, on 14 January 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

Hello cormac, may I ask how you arrived at the part 'what you want to believe'???

His statement here (in part):

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Let's just say that I saw one myself, and afterwards came in contact with the real UFO investigation in the military...

Which puts it in the same category as others who claim "I saw a (insert alien/cryptid/mythical animal/etc." that's left no actual evidence of its existance whatsoever. Nice story, but on its own it doesn't mean much. Which makes it a matter of his personal belief and not a matter of fact.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:00 PM

View Postnopeda, on 14 January 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Are you aware that the same is true for the one possibility that no xts have ever been here? Or do you think it's only true for the countless possibilities that they have?

I think one can't base an argument on evidence they don't have. Which is what AA proponents are doing all the time.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:05 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 14 January 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

His statement here (in part):


Which puts it in the same category as others who claim "I saw a (insert alien/cryptid/mythical animal/etc." that's left no actual evidence of its existance whatsoever. Nice story, but on its own it doesn't mean much. Which makes it a matter of his personal belief and not a matter of fact.

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that doesnt constitute 'want' though does it?

from my understanding McG didnt believe in such 'nonsense' prior to his own sighting and subsequent investigation which led him to his belief (although he doesnt see it as belief but knowledge....thats a different debate) therefore I dont see why he would want it to be ET?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:08 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 14 January 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

I think one can't base an argument on evidence they don't have. Which is what AA proponents are doing all the time.

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and yet throughout the years there have been many 'explanations' given for various UFO events....and these explanations were not based on evidence, but yet they are accepted, even when obviously ludicrous to say the least.


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:28 PM

View Postquillius, on 14 January 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

that doesnt constitute 'want' though does it?

from my understanding McG didnt believe in such 'nonsense' prior to his own sighting and subsequent investigation which led him to his belief (although he doesnt see it as belief but knowledge....thats a different debate) therefore I dont see why he would want it to be ET?

It doesn't matter "when" he believed it, it still doesn't make his belief a fact. And his claim that "I saw one myself" instead of a more neutral "I saw something that 'might' have been extraterrestrial in origin but I'm not sure (or some such)" pretty well makes it a matter of what he wants to believe and not what is known to be a fact.

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and yet throughout the years there have been many explanations given for various UFO events....and these explanations were not based on evidence, but yet they are accepted, even when obviously ludicrous to say the least.

And still AA proponents don't seem to understand that "unexplained" doesn't automatically equate to "extraterrestrial".

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:37 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 14 January 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

It doesn't matter "when" he believed it, it still doesn't make his belief a fact. And his claim that "I saw one myself" instead of a more neutral "I saw something that 'might' have been extraterrestrial in origin but I'm not sure (or some such)" pretty well makes it a matter of what he wants to believe and not what is known to be a fact.

isnt it important to ask why was the said conclusion reached? why did he remove the word 'might' from his sentence? the answer to these questions dont equal 'want' by default IMO.....

View Postcormac mac airt, on 14 January 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:


And still AA proponents don't seem to understand that "unexplained" doesn't automatically equate to "extraterrestrial".

cormac

so both sides have faults :)


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:57 PM

View Postquillius, on 14 January 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:


isnt it important to ask why was the said conclusion reached? why did he remove the word 'might' from his sentence? the answer to these questions dont equal 'want' by default IMO.....



so both sides have faults :)

Speaking for myself, I'm not interested in why he said what he said. I'm interested in actual, verifiable facts. And yet, with over 50 years of trying to convince people that extraterrestrials not only exist (which even I admit to the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe), but have also been here and interacted with humanity, they've not produced a single bit of verifiable evidence to support that conclusion. Yet we're just supposed to believe it. :no:

Someone's personal experiences, hear-say, redacted military documents, etcetra are much like Nostradamus' predictions. One can formulate pretty much any conclusion one wants, depending on how they wish to interpret the information.

We're only human.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

View PostNuke_em, on 14 January 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

I would just like to say that people like Hazzard,cormac and bmk are just flaming and should stop... McG posted tons of data and pictures and usefull links maybe some actualy were real events.

On the other hand those 3 and probably more are doing nothing but flaming no usefull material from any of those.
Maybe bad attitude...but hey they just want to see " proof " ...

This forums should be more moderated in lines of attitude.. stop provoking start posting..

Where is boony these days? The guy was perfect example of calm and datafulled debates.
When I first found this site ,it looked like a good place to, chew the fat , so to speak , over all things U.F.O. and E.T .

I have to say that the amount of trolling of some posters by others is beyond the pale .

Admin should nip it in the bud but never seem to , anyone finding this site and seeing the bating that goes on unchecked , would be very reluctant  in my opinion to engage in open discussion.

One guy who used to post on here , Sky  Eagle , was the butt of it for a long time , now the McGuffin seems to be the new whipping boy .

We are all grown ups and I am no shrinking violet myself but some of the blatant ridiculing is at best childish and at worst sinister.





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