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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:23 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 January 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

OK here we go:

It wasn't unfinished. It was destroyed.  Remnants, shattered blocks, fragments over a wide area is not suggestive of unfinished work but destroyed work.


Oh ok. sorry but you got me....

sighing deeply again that is..

If it was destroyed youd not be able to rustle up endless pics of 'still standing' walls and structures would you?

But let me assure you, it was never finished and was abandoned. Ive nothing to prove to you, its pointless my posting yet another link, its totally pointless in providing idiot proof vids. Ive already provided the info, so tell you what matey..you PROVE to me it was completed?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 January 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Well now the best evidence that the skeptics had was the Protzen effort.

Well it's gone now.  Dismantled and exposed.  I watched it.  Utter garbage.

A bit like this really:

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Modern man's best effort to emulate the ancients ended in nothing more than a complete joke,

The truth is closing in ................
Well, when you have some guys who think 'let's try to replicate what they did' compared to the people who made it, who were probably thinking 'this is all my life's work! The god's will be pleased!' or 'I won't be killed if this rock is shiny enough!', then yeah, I can see why modern man is lack luster compared to the past.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

reposted from my previous post grrr...

"The culture in question seems to have dissolved rather abruptly some time around 1000 AD and researchers are still seeking answers as to why. A likely scenario involves rapid environmental change, possibly involving an extended drought. Unable to support the massive crop yields necessary for their large population, the Tiwanaku are argued to have scattered into the local mountain ranges only to disappear shortly thereafter.Puma Punku is thought to have been abandoned before it was finished"

if you want the source to verify this text...GO BACK and read my posts...

Its just one source of course...googlers will find others

Edited by seeder, 11 January 2013 - 09:36 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 January 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Where did they do the moulding?  Peter Smith's workshop?  How earth do I know?  Who cares?
You should, actually, as your argument is based on "moulding", you should care to find evidence of the moulding in action, it could yield invaluable information about the process.

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Was PP unfinished or was it destroyed?  What does it say to you when shattered fragments are strewn across a wide area?  Unfinished work or cataclysmic disaster?  Looks more like a disaster to me.
I know you despise mainstream archaeology, but it means not a jot of difference to the mainstream theory about PP if it was destroyed or abandoned part-way through construction, and they say "abandoned". Now, I can intellectually engage with the idea of them refusing to accept ideas that run opposite to their strongly held beliefs (happens all the time in all sorts of professions) but I don't see that happening in relation to PP, at least in relation to what is physically at the site. If they say "abandoned" then it's probably "abandoned". If there was evidence of "destruction", they'd probably blame the Spanish and move on, instead they say "we don't know".

View Postzoser, on 11 January 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

Look at the relics at Ollyantaytambo, Sacsayhuaman, Cuzco, Giza, Puma Punku, and anywhere else that megalithic precision architecture is to be found.  Then look at post 4655 for modern man's best efforts.

Then  give it a tiny bit of thought.
Which is only evidence of people in the past knowing more then we do now.
We can all agree on that.

It is supportivitive evidence of aliens (ie stuff that bolsters a main argument) not definitive.
If you had something genuinely anachronistic (and I'll give you the walls we've been discussing are genuinely IMO out of the expected) then the bits and pieces that are equally anachronistic can be used to support that argument, but everyone since Lot was a boy built walls. These are amazing walls. Truly technological and engineering marvels.
But there's nothing to definitively say "aliens", making the walls good solid supporting arguments for aliens, but also for the dominant culture at the time being more advanced then the mainstream is prepared to admit, for the idea that someone else was contracted to build the walls, that there was another more advanced culture there, that there was some ur-civilisation running about building edifices etc.

The walls support all those arguments, but do not make a definitive argument in and of themselves  beyond saying "we are amazing, and deserving of further study".

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:52 PM

so according to zoser puma punku builders were stone aged, ie, without metal. But in the same breath of course we see the bronze wall clamps, either pre-made...or poured direct into the clamps recesses.

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"Some stones at Pumapunku that Ancient Aliens would never show the cameras are the ones that were in the middle of this process. (ie: unfinished, seeder) They show that at the same time a stone was being pounded by stone hammers, which created these troth like depressions, the grinding and polishing was taking place on the other end of the stone.[15] Unfinished stones like this one clearly show how they were shaped – and it wasn’t with lasers.

There is also unmistakable evidence of stone hammers having been used in the places that were never meant to be visible, like where certain stones would be connected with one another.[16] And because of that, it’s hard for me to believe Eric Von Daniken’s next claim, because it would mean that the alien tool box had a laser gun right next to a stone hammer.

AA: “Extraterrestrials arrive; the spaceship stands in orbit. Only a small spaceship can stand, like a space shuttle. So, to protect their instruments they (the aliens) make, overnight, with their technology, what we call a base camp. Of course [this was] made out of stones found on Earth, because you don’t transport granite or diorite from another solar system. Then they disappeared, but the wall of their base camp is still there.”

(isnt this just pure crazy nonsense? Mother ship in space, shuttle type craft lands and a shelter must be built pronto! Why not just pop back up to the mother ship? If we go to the moon, our base camp is OUR SHIP! We wouldnt gather frickin rocks would we? seeder)

It is true that stone tools would not be enough to construct Pumapunku, especially for some of the finer points. For those they would need metal chisels, and the equivalent of a carpenter’s square.[17]

Entire studies have detailed how these cuts were made, and nothing spectacular is required except some metal tools like chisels.[18] The arguments against this are usually either that a particular culture did not yet know how to cast metals, or that copper chisels would have been too weak.

On the first point, we know that the Pre-Incan Andean culture was very skilled at fashioning metals and creating metal alloys.[19]

In fact, the people who built Pumapunku were even pouring copper alloys into molds right on site,[20] showing that they had more than enough capability to form all kinds of metal tools. The question is: what about the tool’s strength?

Even if they were pouring pure copper into the mold it would still work, but it would need sharpening often but, because archeologist actually found a few of these metal cramps used by them on site,[21][22] we now know that they were using a very strong copper arsenic nickel alloy,[23]  Which made a much stronger final product.

Arsenic acts as a de-oxidant preventing the metal from becoming too brittle[24], and nickel was used in copper alloys specifically to make stronger chisels.[25] Once you understand that they had the ability to make strong metal tools in a huge variety of shapes, there is no part of Pumapunku’s stone work that would have been too difficult for them"

Edited by seeder, 11 January 2013 - 10:19 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:42 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 January 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Well now the best evidence that the skeptics had was the Protzen effort.

Well it's gone now.  Dismantled and exposed.  I watched it.  Utter garbage.

A bit like this really:

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Modern man's best effort to emulate the ancients ended in nothing more than a complete joke,

The truth is closing in ................

still it was tonnes better than the failed Egyptian pyramids wasnt it? heres just one of them

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:25 AM

View Postseeder, on 11 January 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

still it was tonnes better than the failed Egyptian pyramids wasnt it? heres just one of them

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Certainly better than this one. How clumsy this is. If there was anyone that needed ET help ....

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:29 AM

View Postseeder, on 11 January 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Oh ok. sorry but you got me....

sighing deeply again that is..

If it was destroyed youd not be able to rustle up endless pics of 'still standing' walls and structures would you?

But let me assure you, it was never finished and was abandoned. Ive nothing to prove to you, its pointless my posting yet another link, its totally pointless in providing idiot proof vids. Ive already provided the info, so tell you what matey..you PROVE to me it was completed?

Foerster walked for hours around the site and found shattered fragments everywhere, some very tiny some very large.  Not evidence of unfinished work if you think about it.

Also we have blocks buried deep in the ground.  Some totally so.  All pointing to some natural catastrophe that occurred in the distant past.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:32 AM

I have to agree there, it looks either like it's a rubosh fill or damage from something like a flood.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:34 AM

View Postseeder, on 11 January 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

still it was tonnes better than the failed Egyptian pyramids wasnt it? heres just one of them

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Menkaure's Satellite Pyramids viewed from the west

Not quite.  The Pyramid were at one time covered in a precision white Tura limestone casing.  The remains of this can still be seen at the base of the Great Pyramid and the top of the second pyramid.  Not true with Zoser's step pyramid as far as I know.

The casing would have protected the pyramids from the ravages of time had it not have been removed to build the Islamic temples.

Vandalism, not shoddy work.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:37 AM

isn't limestone realitvely easy to sculpt?

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:39 AM

View PostHasina, on 11 January 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

Well, when you have some guys who think 'let's try to replicate what they did' compared to the people who made it, who were probably thinking 'this is all my life's work! The god's will be pleased!' or 'I won't be killed if this rock is shiny enough!', then yeah, I can see why modern man is lack luster compared to the past.

Tell me to write a story, sure I'll do it. Give me my entire life? Or threaten me? I'd write you a library.

This is the fatal mistake of speculation and trying to explain the ancients in modern terms.  If you want to understand the ancients then it's no good thinking like a modern person.

View PostWearer of Hats, on 12 January 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

isn't limestone realitvely easy to sculpt?

Much easier compared to the quartz based granite and andesite.  Still difficult enough though on a very large scale.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:41 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 12 January 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

I have to agree there, it looks either like it's a rubosh fill or damage from something like a flood.
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The basin floors on which the Tiwanaku lived were marshy and flooded seasonally because of snow melt from the Quelcceya ice cap.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:43 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 12 January 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

Certainly better than this one. How clumsy this is. If there was anyone that needed ET help ....



I've not studied Zoser's step pyramid in any detail but I'm not aware that it employed precision architecture, at least on the scale of the GP or the Peruvian artifacts.  There is an underground tunnel system nearby that Dunn refers to as The Serapeum that contains some incredibly precise granite boxes.  It was these as far as I know that first interested Dunn in the proposition of ancient high technology.  The step pyramid as far as I can tell isn't built to the same accuracy as the Great Pyramid.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:50 AM

View Postseeder, on 11 January 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

so according to zoser puma punku builders were stone aged, ie, without metal. But in the same breath of course we see the bronze wall clamps, either pre-made...or poured direct into the clamps recesses.

quote: (and READ IT ALL zoser)

"Some stones at Pumapunku that Ancient Aliens would never show the cameras are the ones that were in the middle of this process. (ie: unfinished, seeder) They show that at the same time a stone was being pounded by stone hammers, which created these troth like depressions, the grinding and polishing was taking place on the other end of the stone.[15] Unfinished stones like this one clearly show how they were shaped – and it wasn’t with lasers.

There is also unmistakable evidence of stone hammers having been used in the places that were never meant to be visible, like where certain stones would be connected with one another.[16] And because of that, it’s hard for me to believe Eric Von Daniken’s next claim, because it would mean that the alien tool box had a laser gun right next to a stone hammer.

AA: “Extraterrestrials arrive; the spaceship stands in orbit. Only a small spaceship can stand, like a space shuttle. So, to protect their instruments they (the aliens) make, overnight, with their technology, what we call a base camp. Of course [this was] made out of stones found on Earth, because you don’t transport granite or diorite from another solar system. Then they disappeared, but the wall of their base camp is still there.”

(isnt this just pure crazy nonsense? Mother ship in space, shuttle type craft lands and a shelter must be built pronto! Why not just pop back up to the mother ship? If we go to the moon, our base camp is OUR SHIP! We wouldnt gather frickin rocks would we? seeder)

It is true that stone tools would not be enough to construct Pumapunku, especially for some of the finer points. For those they would need metal chisels, and the equivalent of a carpenter’s square.[17]

Entire studies have detailed how these cuts were made, and nothing spectacular is required except some metal tools like chisels.[18] The arguments against this are usually either that a particular culture did not yet know how to cast metals, or that copper chisels would have been too weak.

On the first point, we know that the Pre-Incan Andean culture was very skilled at fashioning metals and creating metal alloys.[19]

In fact, the people who built Pumapunku were even pouring copper alloys into molds right on site,[20] showing that they had more than enough capability to form all kinds of metal tools. The question is: what about the tool’s strength?

Even if they were pouring pure copper into the mold it would still work, but it would need sharpening often but, because archeologist actually found a few of these metal cramps used by them on site,[21][22] we now know that they were using a very strong copper arsenic nickel alloy,[23]  Which made a much stronger final product.

Arsenic acts as a de-oxidant preventing the metal from becoming too brittle[24], and nickel was used in copper alloys specifically to make stronger chisels.[25] Once you understand that they had the ability to make strong metal tools in a huge variety of shapes, there is no part of Pumapunku’s stone work that would have been too difficult for them"

Unless it was written by an engineering expert or stonemason I wouldn't really be interested to be honest Abe.  As I have said before and with very good reason this is what the historians have lacked.   It's just this that makes their analysis lack all credibility.

I have heard the comments from Roger Hopkins and Chris Dunn specifically relating to the Puma Punku relics and they both draw the same logical conclusion.

The precision employed at Puma Punku defies the imagination of all those people who have a good sense of perception.  To the bland it's just more rock.

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