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[preacherman76]

Cradle of Fish, on 20 June 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

They aren't mutually exclusive you know. Capitalism is an economic model whereas Fascism is a governmental model. All of those things you mentioned fit perfectly in the capitalist system. Without welfare the poor wouldn't be stimulating the economy. Without student loans you aren't going to have as many skilled workers who earn big bucks and stimulate the economy. They aren't free market capitalism, but I'd go so far to say that the USA has never had a free market. I mean the War on Drugs flies in the face of a so called free market more so than welfare, social security and student loans.

How do they fit perfectly in a capitalist system? They have all proven to be total failures. SS is a train wreck. Student loans from the government have jacked the prices to the point where most students coming outta school start life with a debt that will take them 30 years to pay off. Collage wouldnt cost anywhere near what it does if government didnt start flipping the bill. There wouldnt be less students, there would be more. Medicaid/care brought medical prices through the roof as well. People used to pay outta pocket for basic medical care, again till the government got involved. I agree with you about the war on drugs though.

[ninjadude]

preacherman76, on 20 June 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

SS is a train wreck.

how exactly? It will be fine for decades. Then pay seventy five percent of benefits. A few minor corrections will put it back to 100%. Hint - rich people paying MORE.

[The Unseen]

Even though through all this political "Garbage Fest" I wonder if he will be voted back into office for his work  or just because he's black,Ok I dont mean to sound rasist or anything like that but does anyone think that he'll get voted back in if a certain group of people will voted him in just because his color,He's had a hard time tring to do his so called job and has failed at every step he has taken,Obama Care? Yeah Right.Seem like he is bent on our demise than for helping. I know he gets blamed for everything that is wrong in America but most of what is wrong was left to him by some other Bozo President.I am torn in between not voteing him back in because I feel he's a Puppet Clown with no bisness in the white house and Feeling we didn't give the clown a chance.But also I feel that after 4 years there is no sign of improvment and another 4 years would be a waste of time.I basicly feel that he was the worst thing to happen in the White House,He does not empress me a bit.I also feel if he gets electied back into the office it will be because of his color and not anything else which is sad.

[Mr. Smith]

The Unseen, on 21 June 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Seem like he is bent on our demise than for helping. I know he gets blamed for everything that is wrong in America but most of what is wrong was left to him by some other Bozo President.I am torn in between not voteing him back in because I feel he's a Puppet Clown with no bisness in the white house and Feeling we didn't give the clown a chance.But also I feel that after 4 years there is no sign of improvment and another 4 years would be a waste of time.I basicly feel that he was the worst thing to happen in the White House,He does not empress me a bit.I also feel if he gets electied back into the office it will be because of his color and not anything else which is sad.

This topic is almost as nutz as that post.

If you don't see the improvement you must not be looking. And that's no insult, you DO have to look for it in this day and age.

The stock market is back up. If you aren't getting good returns again find a new broker!

Many older students and their families were helped by a part of Obamacare. My sister and cousin along with millions of others will be able to find insurance now due to the only other good part (imo). Before pre existing medical conditions kept getting them denied.

But there's more..

Within days after taking office, he signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse. He also committed to phasing out unnecessary and outdated weapons systems, and also signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Actto stop waste, fraud and abuse in the defense procurement and contracting system

He froze White House salaries.

He pushed through and signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, otherwise known as “the stimulus package,” despite the fact that not one Republican voted for that bill. In addition, he launched recovery.gov, so that taxpayers could track spending from the Act.

He completed the massive TARP financial and banking rescue plan, and recovered virtually all of its costs

He oversaw the creation of more jobs in 2010 alone than Bush did in eight years!

Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, which was designed to to protect consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices

Initiated a $15 billion plan designed to encourage increased lending to small businesses.

Created a $60 billion bank to fund infrastructure improvements such as roads and bridges

Ordered 65 executives who took bailout money to cut their own pay until they paid back all bailout money

Made it so that banks could no longer use YOUR money to invest in high-risk financial instruments that work against their own customers' interests

He made a deal with Swiss banks that permits the US government to gain access to the records of criminals and tax evaders

He oversaw and then signed the most sweeping food safety legislation since the Great Depression

He signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers. This was after the GOP blocked the bill in 2007. Only 5 Republican Senators voted for the bill.

He released the Bush torture memos

Ended the Iraq War


I can find even more. But someone reading all these or keeping a close eye on Washington will start to see exactly why certain elites dislike him so much. As for the average Joe, he isn't going to hear much about these things from the librul MSM without a healthy dose of opinionated gas baggery to confuse and misinform them.  

Edited by Framling, 21 June 2012 - 05:56 AM.

[Cradle of Fish]

@Preacherman: Framling just posted a whole bunch of things Obama has done which renders him a capitalist. But I'll reiterate my point. If Obama was a socialist or a fascist, he wouldn't have bailed out the banks and would have used the ensuing chaos to force the changes he wanted through.

Here is something the American people need to know, just because you don't agree with a politician doesn't make them an evil mastermind out to destroy the country. That kind of thinking is potentially VERY dangerous. As an outside observer I see that the United States hasn't become bogged down in any wars, the Dowjones has been steadily going up. Society hasn't collapsed. Satan isn't martialling his forces and clawin his way through the bedrock. Have some god damne sanity for once. Accept the fact that sometimes your team is not in power. Here in Australia we have a concept of Opposition in parliament, their job is twofold - to be a watchdog over the Governments actions and to provide alternatives to government policy and legislation. In the US the other side always seems to drag their feet, threaten to go home and cry antichrist. That is not a healthy system.

[preacherman76]

Cradle of Fish, on 21 June 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

@Preacherman: Framling just posted a whole bunch of things Obama has done which renders him a capitalist. But I'll reiterate my point. If Obama was a socialist or a fascist, he wouldn't have bailed out the banks and would have used the ensuing chaos to force the changes he wanted through.

That is still the plan. He gave sweeping new powers to the fed, and drained much of Americas wealth. He has gone along way in consolidating economic power. But its a process, that we are well under way in. None of what was posted makes him a capitalist. None of it. Government intervention goes directly against capitalism.

Edited by preacherman76, 21 June 2012 - 09:57 AM.

[Cradle of Fish]

preacherman76, on 21 June 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

That is still the plan. He gave sweeping new powers to the fed, and drained much of Americas wealth. He has gone along way in consolidating economic power. But its a process, that we are well under way in. None of what was posted makes him a capitalist. None of it. Government intervention goes directly against capitalism.

No it does not. In the early days of capitalism there were two trains of thought, free trade and protectionism. Levying tariffs was a perfect example of a government protectionist policy - high taxes on foreign imports so that people are incentivised to buy local. Regulated capitalism is still capitalism. Although Americans don't see it this way, I think socialised healthcare supports the capitalist system. After all, a small raise in peoples taxes nationwide for healthcare means less people having to fork out thousands of dollars for treatments leaving more money in their pockets. What you're referring to is laisse faire capitalism which to my knowledge has never truly been tried.

[Mr. Smith]

Cradle of Fish, on 21 June 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

No it does not. In the early days of capitalism there were two trains of thought, free trade and protectionism. Levying tariffs was a perfect example of a government protectionist policy - high taxes on foreign imports so that people are incentivised to buy local. Regulated capitalism is still capitalism. Although Americans don't see it this way, I think socialised healthcare supports the capitalist system. After all, a small raise in peoples taxes nationwide for healthcare means less people having to fork out thousands of dollars for treatments leaving more money in their pockets. What you're referring to is laisse faire capitalism which to my knowledge has never truly been tried.

Another word for protectionism is mercantilism.

http://www.econlib.o...rcantilism.html

[Mr. Smith]

preacherman76, on 21 June 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

That is still the plan. He gave sweeping new powers to the fed, and drained much of Americas wealth. He has gone along way in consolidating economic power. But its a process, that we are well under way in. None of what was posted makes him a capitalist. None of it. Government intervention goes directly against capitalism.

Hello preacherman76. I see I stopped to early or you didn't read my post above, item for item. If it rains tomorrow i'll come back and make that list look short. Otherwise I'm goin giggin and fishin.

ETA: I'm not much of a fan of Obama, he's the turd sandwhich, Romney's a giant douchebag. But I am always a fan of the truth, no matter how hard it is to take.

Edited by Framling, 23 June 2012 - 04:14 AM.

[preacherman76]

Hey fram, sorry I couldnt get back to you sooner, my computer has been acting up. Anyhow, truth is this man should be in a 6 by 10 cell for his crimes against humanity. For launching undeclared wars. For continuing undeclared wars. For spying on the American people without cause. For NDAA. For the renewed patriot act. For openly declaring his will to work without checks and balances. Ect ect.

[Mr. Smith]

preacherman76, on 24 June 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Hey fram, sorry I couldnt get back to you sooner, my computer has been acting up. Anyhow, truth is this man should be in a 6 by 10 cell for his crimes against humanity. For launching undeclared wars. For continuing undeclared wars. For spying on the American people without cause. For NDAA. For the renewed patriot act. For openly declaring his will to work without checks and balances. Ect ect.

preacherman76, on 24 June 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Hey fram, sorry I couldnt get back to you sooner, my computer has been acting up. Anyhow, truth is this man should be in a 6 by 10 cell for his crimes against humanity. For launching undeclared wars. For continuing undeclared wars. For spying on the American people without cause. For NDAA. For the renewed patriot act. For openly declaring his will to work without checks and balances. Ect ect.

Which one, Bush or Cheney? I think both were the biggest criminal who did the most damage to this country ever. A 6 x 10 is too good for them though.

[Babe Ruth]

I think a noose is better than a 6 x 10

At least in some cases.

Edited by Babe Ruth, 24 June 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[DieChecker]

Cradle of Fish, on 16 June 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Plus how do you just end a war without a proper unified enemy to sign a ceasefire with?

The Europeans do it all the time. The French changed PMs and now they are packing their bags to leave the middle east. Just pull out. Why do we have to finish every bridge and power station?

Clyde the Glyde, on 16 June 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

I think Obama had too high of expectations of what he wanted to accomplish.

I think that is pretty much true. That he had no real idea what he was getting into. Political realities knocked him into a tailspin and he basically did very little his first two years. With Democrat control of the House and Senate he should have been able to do a LOT more of his agenda.

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If he truly cared about fixing the economy, him and his useless wife would spend less time on lavish tax-payer funded vacations and hob-nobbing around with the Hollywood elite.

Again true. It is a fact Obama has played four timesas much golf as Bush Jr did during the same time in his first 4 years. He just celebrated his 100th round of golf since becoming President, or about a little more then once every 2 weeks. And not all in DC either.

Corp, on 18 June 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Thing is whenever the Republicans start playing their games Obama seems to back down every time. He doesn't use his veto or he changes his bill so that they're a mess. He needs to learn to stand up to them sometimes.

I don't blame him for backing down to the Republicans since 2010. He dug that hole for himself and the Republican take over was the result. He pulled a bunch of bone head plays and as a result he basically got ejected from the game and got very little done these last 2 years.

[preacherman76]

Framling, on 24 June 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

Which one, Bush or Cheney? I think both were the biggest criminal who did the most damage to this country ever. A 6 x 10 is too good for them though.

You are preachin to the preacherman now.