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#16    Mr Right Wing

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 12:46 PM

View Post1963, on 01 September 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Hi all!

September could be a interesting month at the National Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas according to museum CEO and executive director Allan Palmer, himself a highly decorated former Air Force and Navy combat jet fighter....


http://www.huffingto..._n_1843040.html


apparently there are going to be hitherto unseen "UFO Secrets" revealed,
There appears to be five hand picked speakers, all of whom have strong affiliations with the military and are of impeccable character!


Ret. Army Col. John Alexander: Former military insider who created Advanced Theoretical Physics -- a group of top-level government officials and scientists brought together to study UFOs.
Ret. Air Force Col. Charles Halt: Former base commander of the RAF Bentwaters military base in England and vital eyewitness to the amazing UFO-related events at Rendlesham Forest in December 1980, where he believed the observed UFOs were extraterrestrial in origin.
Ret. Air Force Col. William Coleman: Former public information officer for the Air Force's Project Blue Book UFO study.
Ret. Air Force Col. Robert Friend: Former director of the Air Force's Project Blue Book from 1958 to 1963.

The fifth guest at the museum's upcoming UFO lecture is former U.K. UFO desk officer Nick Pope.


....Should be worth a visit for anyone in the vicinity!

Cheers.

Yawn !!!

The problem in society is people have no clue whats taught on a physics degree. Many people still think that they're living in the 17th Century when it comes to science.

Revelation Number 1 - Einsteins Special Relativity
Einstein figured out how gravity works and discovered that mass curves spactime. The faster an object travels, the more its mass increases and the more it curves spacetime.

Revelation Number 2 - Lorentz Gravity
Einstein was competing with Lorentz over who had the right formula to explain how gravity works. An experiment designed to test the presense of an ether in space failed meaning Einstein was selected as the winner. This is before Exotic energy and non-locality were discovered.

Revelation Number 3 - Maxwells Electro-Magnetic Field Equations
Maxwell is the guy who figured out how electrc fields and magnetic fields work. He discovered they were both basically the same thing and called the unification of both electro-magnetism.

Revelation Number 4 - Electrons Have Mass
Yes thats right electrons have mass and this means they curve spacetime (gravity). Now guess which version of gravity do you think is used in Maxwells Field Equations? You guessed right its Lorentz Gravity not Special Relativity. Not only are the formulas with Lorentz Gravity in them experimentally verified but they allow electro-magnetic fields to propagate faster than the speed of light (Lorentz Gavity is not limited by the speed limit in Special Relativity).

Revelation Number 5 - What does all this mean?
For over a century the public has been misled into thinking the speed of light is the universal speed limit. They havent been informed we can get electro-magnetic fields to propagate faster than the speed of light. In fact most arent even aware that the electron has mass and that they dont obey Special Relativity. As a result the public thinks the only way to build a warp drive is by creating a gravity field around a ship. An electro-magnetic field does exactly the same (warps spacetime) and is more powerful due to electrons working off Lorentz Gravity not Special Relativity. We have the means, technology and science to produce warp drive right now and have had it for most of the 20th Century.


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 12:48 PM

More Bull#"% - only 29.99. and if you hurry you can buy the amazing, never seen before DVD, best prize ever.


Pfffff,...


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 01:23 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 05 September 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

. We have the means, technology and science to produce warp drive right now and have had it for most of the 20th Century.

hmmm, is this where Ben Rich's comments come into play about Einstein equation having an error and also the 'means to travel the star's.'.....

Edited by quillius, 05 September 2012 - 01:24 PM.


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 01:52 PM

View Postquillius, on 05 September 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

hmmm, is this where Ben Rich's comments come into play about Einstein equation having an error and also the 'means to travel the star's.'.....

Didn't someone come up with a theory about how the speed of light might be relative after all rather than a constant?


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 02:05 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 05 September 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

Didn't someone come up with a theory about how the speed of light might be relative after all rather than a constant?

not too sure McG....I am sure that this thread has some legs though :yes:


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 03:25 PM

View Postquillius, on 05 September 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

hmmm, is this where Ben Rich's comments come into play about Einstein equation having an error and also the 'means to travel the star's.'.....

The problems with special relativity are -
1. Non-locality violates the speed of light (experimentally confirmed in Bells Inequality and Quantum Teleportation).
2. It limits the speed of gravity to the speed of light.

Now the second one is a really big problem because Gravity has no detectable Aberration. I'll explain what that means -
1. Light takes 8 1/2 minute to reach the Earth from the Sun.
2. If the speed of gravity equalled the speed of light then the Earth would be attracted to where the Sun was 8 1/2 minutes ago.
3. In experiments designed to test this no such lag (aberration) exists.
4. The experiments actually show that Newtons speed of gravity (infinite speed) is the correct one.

Now of course Newtons gravity doesnt explain time dialation and therefore its predictions dont match whats observed for objects moving a high speeds. Mossotti-Lorentz Gravity was created as an alternative to Special Relativity. In it -
1. Gravity isnt a seperate force.
2. With electro-magnetic forces opposite charges attract slightly more than like charges repel.
3. This difference is whats mistakenly seen as gravity.
4. Electro-magnetic fields can propagate faster than light under the right circumstances.
5. It deals with time dialation.
6. It requies a universal ether. Experiments to detect an ether drag did actually detect one but it was a lot smaller than expected.
7. A small drag meant Einsteins Special Relativity was adopted by science as the correct theory. This is dispite it not matching whats observed with electro-magnetism.

The problems with Special Relativity and electro-magnetism are why Einstein couldnt unify gravity with electro-magnestism. In Quantum Mechanics they are working on new theories of gravity -
1. Modified Newtonian Mechanics
2. Quantum Loop Gravity

They all have Mossotti-Lorentz gravity at their heart.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 05 September 2012 - 03:33 PM.


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:09 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 05 September 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

The problems with special relativity are -
1. Non-locality violates the speed of light (experimentally confirmed in Bells Inequality and Quantum Teleportation).
2. It limits the speed of gravity to the speed of light.

Now the second one is a really big problem because Gravity has no detectable Aberration. I'll explain what that means -
1. Light takes 8 1/2 minute to reach the Earth from the Sun.
2. If the speed of gravity equalled the speed of light then the Earth would be attracted to where the Sun was 8 1/2 minutes ago.
3. In experiments designed to test this no such lag (aberration) exists.
4. The experiments actually show that Newtons speed of gravity (infinite speed) is the correct one.

Now of course Newtons gravity doesnt explain time dialation and therefore its predictions dont match whats observed for objects moving a high speeds. Mossotti-Lorentz Gravity was created as an alternative to Special Relativity. In it -
1. Gravity isnt a seperate force.
2. With electro-magnetic forces opposite charges attract slightly more than like charges repel.
3. This difference is whats mistakenly seen as gravity.
4. Electro-magnetic fields can propagate faster than light under the right circumstances.
5. It deals with time dialation.
6. It requies a universal ether. Experiments to detect an ether drag did actually detect one but it was a lot smaller than expected.
7. A small drag meant Einsteins Special Relativity was adopted by science as the correct theory. This is dispite it not matching whats observed with electro-magnetism.

The problems with Special Relativity and electro-magnetism are why Einstein couldnt unify gravity with electro-magnestism. In Quantum Mechanics they are working on new theories of gravity -
1. Modified Newtonian Mechanics
2. Quantum Loop Gravity

They all have Mossotti-Lorentz gravity at their heart.

thanks for post, may take me a while to absorb and understand it fully.....I am sure that some others that are more educated in this field may respond to some of your points.

As I said before I feel this thread has some legs in it yet.......but then I thought a thread about someone wetting themselves would die after two posts...how wrong was I!


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 04:45 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 05 September 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

The problems with special relativity are -
1. Non-locality violates the speed of light (experimentally confirmed in Bells Inequality and Quantum Teleportation).
2. It limits the speed of gravity to the speed of light.

Now the second one is a really big problem because Gravity has no detectable Aberration. I'll explain what that means -
1. Light takes 8 1/2 minute to reach the Earth from the Sun.
2. If the speed of gravity equalled the speed of light then the Earth would be attracted to where the Sun was 8 1/2 minutes ago.
3. In experiments designed to test this no such lag (aberration) exists.
4. The experiments actually show that Newtons speed of gravity (infinite speed) is the correct one.

Now of course Newtons gravity doesnt explain time dialation and therefore its predictions dont match whats observed for objects moving a high speeds. Mossotti-Lorentz Gravity was created as an alternative to Special Relativity. In it -
1. Gravity isnt a seperate force.
2. With electro-magnetic forces opposite charges attract slightly more than like charges repel.
3. This difference is whats mistakenly seen as gravity.
4. Electro-magnetic fields can propagate faster than light under the right circumstances.
5. It deals with time dialation.
6. It requies a universal ether. Experiments to detect an ether drag did actually detect one but it was a lot smaller than expected.
7. A small drag meant Einsteins Special Relativity was adopted by science as the correct theory. This is dispite it not matching whats observed with electro-magnetism.

The problems with Special Relativity and electro-magnetism are why Einstein couldnt unify gravity with electro-magnestism. In Quantum Mechanics they are working on new theories of gravity -
1. Modified Newtonian Mechanics
2. Quantum Loop Gravity

They all have Mossotti-Lorentz gravity at their heart.
OK, Ainshtain, did you come up with that by yourself, or did you just C/P'd from some source, which you didn't provided?

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:13 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 05 September 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

OK, Ainshtain, did you come up with that by yourself, or did you just C/P'd from some source, which you didn't provided?

Most of it I knew already.

When we look at the electrons mass and apply Special Relativity we expect to see a weak gravity field from the particle. Far too weak to be of any use to us if we wanted to construct a warp drive.

But with Mossitto-Lorentz gravity it is of course different. Opposite charges attract more than like charges repel and the difference is mistaken as the force called gravity. Once we realise that its electro-magnetism (an electric field or a magnetic field) that curves spacetime then its a whole new ball game.

If we construct a ship and charge its hull up with an electric field of 100,000 volts we dont get the level of warp predicted by Special Relativity which would be tiny. The effect is extremely powerful.


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:37 PM

I see that the National Atomic Testing Museum has a store on its website. They sell various informational DVDs. This would be a good place to look for a recording of the upcoming UFO lecture, directly after the live presentation on the 22nd. Will inquire of the museum, if they will offer such a recording, and report their response here.


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:43 PM

They sell DVD's? Red flag!!! Red flag!!!

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 08:20 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 05 September 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

If we construct a ship and charge its hull up with an electric field of 100,000 volts we dont get the level of warp predicted by Special Relativity which would be tiny. The effect is extremely powerful.

In which case, howcome powerlines arent floating off into space? its charged metal after all. Also surely you would have to charge one side of the hull to get any direction?
   I assume its more complicated an I imagine. Just a little more info would be interesting to see.


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 09:23 PM

I am wondering what "secret" information they could possibly have that hasn't been heard already. Military personnel may have more information than the rest of us but anything top secret will not be able to be disclosed. Still I am interested and will keep an eye out for information following this event. A home star, species profile, pictures, mode of transportation, or goals of alien species would be welcome information.


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 09:32 PM

View Postjgorman628, on 05 September 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

A home star, species profile, pictures, mode of transportation, or goals of alien species would be welcome information.

None of that will matter until they roll out debris, a body, an actual ship or something like that.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 09:43 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 05 September 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

They sell DVD's? Red flag!!! Red flag!!!

:tu: ..... these "incredible disclosures" always comes with an agenda. Buy this, buy that.

Red flag indeed.

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