can you reprogram your dna by thoughts?

[psychoticmike]

ok, i know it seems far fetched and i'm not really sure i believe it myself but i have read about people supposedly discovering that you can reprogram your dna by words and thoughts alone, i know that thoughts effect the physical body so i don't see why it couldn't effect dna, i'm not talking about activating deactivated portions of your dna to achieve psychic ability or stuff like that, i'm mainly wondering if you can do it to repair damaged dna. i read a book by bruce lipton called biology of belief and it made sense to me but i have to admit i'm no pro when it comes to genetics and dna, so maybe hes lying and just made it seem to be true in the book, thats why i am asking for your guys opinion because i don't understand to subject to well and i realize this can all just be him trying to make a profit, also i have read a link that claims russian scientists have proven that you can reprogram dna by words but i have not come across any other sources besides these two claiming that you can do it, and i haven't been able to find any more info on the russian scientists other then a few regurgitated articles with the same information, i'm thinking this is probably bull but i just want to know what are your guys thoughts on this? heres the link to the russian article

http://www.rense.com/general62/expl.htm

[Surreptitious]

ok, i know it seems far fetched and i'm not really sure i believe it myself but i have read about people supposedly discovering that you can reprogram your dna by words and thoughts alone, i know that thoughts effect the physical body so i don't see why it couldn't effect dna, i'm not talking about activating deactivated portions of your dna to achieve psychic ability or stuff like that, i'm mainly wondering if you can do it to repair damaged dna. i read a book by bruce lipton called biology of belief and it made sense to me but i have to admit i'm no pro when it comes to genetics and dna, so maybe hes lying and just made it seem to be true in the book, thats why i am asking for your guys opinion because i don't understand to subject to well and i realize this can all just be him trying to make a profit, also i have read a link that claims russian scientists have proven that you can reprogram dna by words but i have not come across any other sources besides these two claiming that you can do it, and i haven't been able to find any more info on the russian scientists other then a few regurgitated articles with the same information, i'm thinking this is probably bull but i just want to know what are your guys thoughts on this? heres the link to the russian article

http://www.rense.com/general62/expl.htm

It sounds interesting, but I think your gut instinct is correct here.

I think it sounds more metaphorical. Almost like some life coaching. I highly doubt that we possess the ability to manipulate anything with our minds. The only thing we can affect, is sentient beings and that's only because we can read expressions based off emotion.

[minuteman]

i know that thoughts effect the physical body so i don't see why it couldn't effect dna

kind of contradict yourself here dont you? dna, even though being crazy microscopic, it's still physical.

[Joshua Thorne]

Reprogramming DNA...yes...with the flu. There was actually some experiments being done about attaching genetic modifiers to the flu virus a few years ago.... because each time you catch a new strain of the flu, it alters your DNA. I have no idea if they had any success with the experiments. But at the time I found it rather interesting.

By thought? I doubt it, but who knows...that seems to me to fall into the ESP category of "mind over body" and "mind over matter"

Edit:

The research was just in it's infancy when I heard about it and it was related to finding a vaccine against AIDS. Their theory was somewhat based on using parts of lion DNA because lions are immune to AIDS. I felt kinda sorry for the scientist that presented the theory back then. I am sure they were expecting a roaring applause and a wave of hope..instead they were met with howls and shrieks of fear...people accused them of trying to create mutants, playing God and called them "Dr. Moreau".

So much for an enlightened public...

Edited April 29, 2011 by Joshua Thorne

[SlimJim22]

There are a few things that I think can transform/mutate dna.

1. Radiation - cosmic rays, nuclear, etc. can cause genetic modifications on a cellular level

2. Bacteria - micro-organisms have the potential to alter the behaviour and physiology of the host

3. Behaviour - if you drastically alter your activity your brain and physiology will gently shift from your starting position. This is a mutation of sorts but it depends on how drastic it is. If you changed diet and began meditating extensively, performing rituals and experimenting with mind altering substances in a controlled environment then it may be possible to increase brain capacity. This change would become genetic and hereditary if it was reinforced over a period of time, thus meaning that the dna has been altered by conscious activity. It may have the effect of expanding or raising consciousness but the changes would manifest physiologically I would have thought.

Us humans have a higher nature, which is hard to deny. We also have a body and brain that is full of magentite crystals and though they are very small they may be able to magnify and oscillate consciousness and emanations of vibration in ways to alter our genetic makeup. I don't think we are ever talking X-men standard but education and technology are a simple way to show that we are evolving through our behaviour and constant acquisition of knowledge. Because it is progressive, this says to me that genetics play a part in our psychological evolution.

[psychoticmike]

kind of contradict yourself here dont you? dna, even though being crazy microscopic, it's still physical.

no not really, because dna is different its not something you can even imagine really as compared to your body and organs, like for example i messed up my knee running about 3 months back, when ever i think about it it starts to hurt like hell, but when i just go about my life normally and don't think about it i don't notice it at all, and what about beliefs? you can reprogram your beliefs and wouldn't you think that would change the psychical makeup of your brain? i don't know if its true or not but i heard that when you do reprogram your beliefs it does psychically change your brain. so even tho dna is psychical i think of it much differently then my body, and it would seem to me if it could be reprogrammed it would be pretty complex, as compared to my knee example when i think of it in positive terms and act like it doesn't hurt it doesn't, same thing with my feet a lot of times i have cold feet and i have actually warmed them up with my thoughts no joke i imagined warm blood flowing through my veins to my feet and warming them up and it worked!

[UFO_Monster]

Okay, I am going to think of these things, so that I might reprogram my DNA:

- I want a shell, shaped very much like a saucer.

- I want to have the anatomy of a turtle.

- I want to have tusks along with teeth.

- I want fire-breathing capabilities.

- Ooh, and I want to fly!

- I also want to be HUGE!

I'm thinking.....THINKING....

Alas, I can only pretend to be as awesome as Gamera. DNA sucks!

[psychoticmike]

Okay, I am going to think of these things, so that I might reprogram my DNA:

- I want a shell, shaped very much like a saucer.

- I want to have the anatomy of a turtle.

- I want to have tusks along with teeth.

- I want fire-breathing capabilities.

- Ooh, and I want to fly!

- I also want to be HUGE!

I'm thinking.....THINKING....

Alas, I can only pretend to be as awesome as Gamera. DNA sucks!

you can think that all you want but i seriously doubt thats gonna happen you obviously misinterpreted what i said, i mean to heal damaged dna not to create something that wasn't already in the dna!

[Soul Kitchen]

There are a few things that I think can transform/mutate dna.

1. Radiation - cosmic rays, nuclear, etc. can cause genetic modifications on a cellular level

2. Bacteria - micro-organisms have the potential to alter the behaviour and physiology of the host

3. Behaviour - if you drastically alter your activity your brain and physiology will gently shift from your starting position. This is a mutation of sorts but it depends on how drastic it is. If you changed diet and began meditating extensively, performing rituals and experimenting with mind altering substances in a controlled environment then it may be possible to increase brain capacity. This change would become genetic and hereditary if it was reinforced over a period of time, thus meaning that the dna has been altered by conscious activity. It may have the effect of expanding or raising consciousness but the changes would manifest physiologically I would have thought.

Us humans have a higher nature, which is hard to deny. We also have a body and brain that is full of magentite crystals and though they are very small they may be able to magnify and oscillate consciousness and emanations of vibration in ways to alter our genetic makeup. I don't think we are ever talking X-men standard but education and technology are a simple way to show that we are evolving through our behaviour and constant acquisition of knowledge. Because it is progressive, this says to me that genetics play a part in our psychological evolution.

Everthing after the number 3 is very new to me. Is that established science, or just speculative?

[SlimJim22]

Everthing after the number 3 is very new to me. Is that established science, or just speculative?

Judge for yourself.

http://www.affs.org/html/biomagnetism.html

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/kinser/Structure1.html

Much of it does fall into the field of evolutionary psychology with the rest arguably pseudo-science. Really it does not matter too much because if it is true or not that consciousness can effect physiology is irrelevant compared tp the benefits the individual may receive regardless of if science recognizes them or not. It is speculative alright and given time I sincerely hope it is an area that will get explored far more. Problem is currently that the new age is too quick to speak about these things in terms of certainties that then undermines the theories in themsleves. First and foremost we need to recognize curiosities and see where they lead us.

http://www.in5d.com/12-strand-dna-photon-belt.html

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/evolutionary-psychology-so-they-really-dont-believe-all-that-rot/

[Sylent Nyte]

ok, i know it seems far fetched and i'm not really sure i believe it myself but i have read about people supposedly discovering that you can reprogram your dna by words and thoughts alone, i know that thoughts effect the physical body so i don't see why it couldn't effect dna, i'm not talking about activating deactivated portions of your dna to achieve psychic ability or stuff like that, i'm mainly wondering if you can do it to repair damaged dna. i read a book by bruce lipton called biology of belief and it made sense to me but i have to admit i'm no pro when it comes to genetics and dna, so maybe hes lying and just made it seem to be true in the book, thats why i am asking for your guys opinion because i don't understand to subject to well and i realize this can all just be him trying to make a profit, also i have read a link that claims russian scientists have proven that you can reprogram dna by words but i have not come across any other sources besides these two claiming that you can do it, and i haven't been able to find any more info on the russian scientists other then a few regurgitated articles with the same information, i'm thinking this is probably bull but i just want to know what are your guys thoughts on this? heres the link to the russian article

http://www.rense.com/general62/expl.htm

What this person is proposing is essentially asking a computer to change its own parts, using its own OS and nothing else.

NOT happenning.

[danielost]

we think we know how to do it. we just dont have the tech to do so yet.

[theGhost_and_theDarkness]

Gosh, I wish. The first thing I'd do is reprogram whatever portion of my DNA makes my seasonal allergies so disgustingly miserable. Then I'd go after the part that turns all the women in my family bipolar. I don't have any symptoms yet, but good gods I don't want to take any chances with something like that.

[Tiggs]

Well, not so much your DNA. The Genes that are turned on and off in your DNA - maybe...

[Paracelse]

Judge for yourself.

http://www.affs.org/html/biomagnetism.html

Much of it does fall into the field of evolutionary psychology with the rest arguably pseudo-science. Really it does not matter too much because if it is true or not that consciousness can effect physiology is irrelevant compared tp the benefits the individual may receive regardless of if science recognizes them or not. It is speculative alright and given time I sincerely hope it is an area that will get explored far more. Problem is currently that the new age is too quick to speak about these things in terms of certainties that then undermines the theories in themsleves. First and foremost we need to recognize curiosities and see where they lead us.

The article I've left seem to suggest that Mesmer could have been right after all.

[SlimJim22]

The article I've left seem to suggest that Mesmer could have been right after all.

Could be. I'll have to check out more of Mesmer's writing.

The oldest known usage of magnetic powers is traced to Africa, where an African bloodstone (magnetite) mine more than 100,000 years old has been found. The magnetite was ground up and used in potions, foods and topical applications.

In ancient Greece, Aristotle was the first person in recorded history to speak of the therapeutic properties of the natural magnets of this time. Nevertheless, most of the ancient civilizations, including the Hebrews, Arabs, Indians, Egyptians and Chinese, used magnets for healing.

It is recorded, that around 200 B.C., the Greek physician Galen found, that pain from many different types of illnesses could be relieved by applying natural magnets.

In the first century, the Chinese began documenting effects on health and disease related to variations in the Earth's magnetic field, using very sensitive compasses to monitor those variations.

Around 1000 A.D., a Persian physician documented the use of magnets to relieve disorders such as gout and muscle spasms.

In the 1600's, an English physician named Gilbert wrote of magnetism, and in the 1700's another physician named Mesmer wrote a dissertation on magnetism that has proven to be a foundation for magnetic healing in the Western culture. Dr. Mesmer's name became synonymous with magnetism, but in a negative fashion. He was ridiculed for his advanced discoveries and his abilities to use magnetism for good. It was called "mesmerism", scoffed at as unscientific and unreliable, and was deemed an unworthy practice or "charlatanism".

Despite the increasing ridicule, other studies were performed, including the first in-depth study of the history of magnetic treatment of diseases; undertaken in 1777 by France's Royal Society of Medicine. Other studies included reports by Eydam in 1843, Charot and Renard in 1878, Westphal and Gangee in 1878, Mueller in 1879, Benedict and Drozdov in 1879, Benedict in 1885 and Quinan in 1886.

http://www.mtnhigh.com/maghlth.html

The science behind it is confusing to me but it does make sense that there is a flow of signals/energy on a cellular level. For the flow to occur magnetism needs to be involved in order that direction and motion can be altered between nerves and receptors. The human body does emit an electric current as well doesn't it so we are made up of fields of electromagnetism as well as our material, biological and cellular selves.

When it comes to changing the DNA, alchemy could well be the key to the secret of this. Caduceus of Hermes is the big clue perhaps and what is often over looked is the cosmic ingredient of alchemy. Could be rare stellar radiation.

http://www.dvgu.ru/meteo/library/55912339.pdf

http://skywalker.cochise.edu/wellerr/students/biomagnetism/project.htm

http://www.tuat.ac.jp/~matunaga/emokuji/study/magnet/index.html

http://www.geophysik.uni-muenchen.de/research/magnetism/biomagnetism

Magnetite is central to animals additional sense. It is how birds and fish navigate or see so they are seeing the world to some degree by electromagnetic fields. Do humans have dormant parts of our brains that work in a similar way and is this why animal totems are so important to alchemy and mystery religions? Thanks for stimulating the further thoughts and research Paracelse.

http://www.essortment.com/paracelsus-greatest-alchemist-time-20347.html

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/p/paracelsus.html

[Paracelse]

Could be. I'll have to check out more of Mesmer's writing.

http://www.mtnhigh.com/maghlth.html

The science behind it is confusing to me but it does make sense that there is a flow of signals/energy on a cellular level. For the flow to occur magnetism needs to be involved in order that direction and motion can be altered between nerves and receptors. The human body does emit an electric current as well doesn't it so we are made up of fields of electromagnetism as well as our material, biological and cellular selves.

When it comes to changing the DNA, alchemy could well be the key to the secret of this. Caduceus of Hermes is the big clue perhaps and what is often over looked is the cosmic ingredient of alchemy. Could be rare stellar radiation.

http://www.dvgu.ru/meteo/library/55912339.pdf

http://skywalker.cochise.edu/wellerr/students/biomagnetism/project.htm

http://www.tuat.ac.jp/~matunaga/emokuji/study/magnet/index.html

http://www.geophysik.uni-muenchen.de/research/magnetism/biomagnetism

Magnetite is central to animals additional sense. It is how birds and fish navigate or see so they are seeing the world to some degree by electromagnetic fields. Do humans have dormant parts of our brains that work in a similar way and is this why animal totems are so important to alchemy and mystery religions? Thanks for stimulating the further thoughts and research Paracelse.

http://www.essortment.com/paracelsus-greatest-alchemist-time-20347.html

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/p/paracelsus.html

Just a quick link on Mesmer

http://www.enotes.com/gale-psychology-encyclopedia/franz-anton-mesmer

The work of his students lead to hypnotism

[SlimJim22]

Just a quick link on Mesmer

http://www.enotes.com/gale-psychology-encyclopedia/franz-anton-mesmer

The work of his students lead to hypnotism

Did he achieve hypnosis by altering the frequencies of the brain using magnets or was it more of an accident?

Maybe he healed some people through suggestion but perhaps there is a hypnotizing frequency and also a healing frequency.

http://www.earthpulse.net/

I could see sound and vibrational healing along with biomagnetism being incorporated into a new paradigm of medicine once we over come a lot of prejudices people feel towards what they cannot easily explain or understand. Maybe.

[Paracelse]

Did he achieve hypnosis by altering the frequencies of the brain using magnets or was it more of an accident?

Maybe he healed some people through suggestion but perhaps there is a hypnotizing frequency and also a healing frequency.

http://www.earthpulse.net/

I could see sound and vibrational healing along with biomagnetism being incorporated into a new paradigm of medicine once we over come a lot of prejudices people feel towards what they cannot easily explain or understand. Maybe.

Actually it's a French Marquis who, after Mesmer's demise and return to Austria, using magnets on a shepherd discovered the new possibility. Later it was developed in England by someone else.

Also there was a "Abbe Faria" (don't know if Dumas used that name on purpose) who wrote extensively on hypnotism and it's use in psychology/psychiatry. Later two other Frenchman worked on it one being Coue who developed the method bearing his name.

[danielost]

Well, not so much your DNA. The Genes that are turned on and off in your DNA - maybe...

just think we are on the verge of self programming.

[psychoticmike]

Judge for yourself.

http://www.affs.org/html/biomagnetism.html

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/kinser/Structure1.html

Much of it does fall into the field of evolutionary psychology with the rest arguably pseudo-science. Really it does not matter too much because if it is true or not that consciousness can effect physiology is irrelevant compared tp the benefits the individual may receive regardless of if science recognizes them or not. It is speculative alright and given time I sincerely hope it is an area that will get explored far more. Problem is currently that the new age is too quick to speak about these things in terms of certainties that then undermines the theories in themsleves. First and foremost we need to recognize curiosities and see where they lead us.

http://www.in5d.com/12-strand-dna-photon-belt.html

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/evolutionary-psychology-so-they-really-dont-believe-all-that-rot/

wow these are some interesting links I'll have to read them thanks slim!