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Germanwings airliner crashes in French Alps


Moon Gazer

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-32030270

This doesn't sound good :( Seem to be hearing about so many air crashes lately :(

Crashing in the mountains only a few days post winter can't be good, even IF anyone survived, which sounds unlikely. I hope terrorism was not the cause, there has also be an awful lot of that in the last few days as well.

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Terrible news. - They say air travel is the safest form of transport. But when it goes wrong it does so dramatically.

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The description of the wreckage seems to indicate that it slammed in at a very high speed - no large pieces of wreckage. Sounds like it was quick, anyway.

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Damn. Grim news.

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German media just reported that a number of GERMAN WINGS and LUFTHANSA crews refused their duty on todays flights on AIRBUS planes,

resulting in flight cancellations at DUS and STR A/P.

The crews legitimated their todays denial with the fact that the plane that crashed in France, was blocked yesterday at DUS A/P for a few hours

by an AOG (aircraft on ground) modus due to technical problems of the plane.

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It was an old lady, first flight November 1990. That being said Lufthansa/Germanwings have an excellent rep for maintenance.

7 flights were cancelled because of difficulties with crew. I imagine Germanwings will be taking disciplinary action.

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this is 17th a320 that has crashed, since they came out.

Might be but this fact does not give an impression of anything.

The full statistic is doing the trick: http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm

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The description of the wreckage seems to indicate that it slammed in at a very high speed - no large pieces of wreckage. Sounds like it was quick, anyway.

Only if falling for 8 minutes is quick.
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I don't understand ?

No emergency radio call to the control tower ?

No change on its aviation transponder to emergency mode ?

These are both rehearsed and practiced proceedures in an emergency.

Either the pilot didn't know he was descending, or he didn't care, or his radio's where out ???/

It doesn't seem to make sense ?

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I don't understand ?

No emergency radio call to the control tower ?

No change on its aviation transponder to emergency mode ?

These are both rehearsed and practiced proceedures in an emergency.

Either the pilot didn't know he was descending, or he didn't care, or his radio's where out ???/

It doesn't seem to make sense ?

Flight recorder data pending.

Investigation results pending.

Flight crash cause still unknown.

Untill now its all tea leaf reading.

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Only if falling for 8 minutes is quick.

It is actually VERY quick - far beyond normal operation, even when landing. Don't forget that this aircraft essentially fell from 7 miles of altitude!

This is an incredibly sad event, the A320 is inherently the safest short to medium range aircraft in the world (the Boeing 737 has a fatality rate that is 5 TIMES GREATER).

Early indications suggested that the pilot broadcast "Emergency, Emergency" this cannot be correct because the correct call would have been "Mayday, Mayday". Passengers in the cabin would have been told "Emergency, Emergency, Brace Position!" so this must be incorrect...

I understand that 1 black box (actually orange) has been found which , if it contains the necessary ADAHARS (Air Data, Attitude, Heading Reference data) should help to determine what happened. That the Pilot / co - Pilot made no other communication is bizarre, and I really do not understand this.

As to causes: I have been racking my brains and yet I keep coming back to a catastrophic loss of engine power - if you lose both engines then you lose all anti - icing protection, which is sufficient to interrupt all control surface commands, and the only way to counteract this is to lose altitude very quickly down to 10,000 ft - this does not however account for the lack of Pilot communication. Possible fuel contamination?

Obviously it is early days for the investigation, and my thoughts are with the friends and family of those who have lost their lives today....

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this is 17th a320 that has crashed, since they came out.

Interestingly described by an aviation expert on TV earlier that the A320 had a 'relatively good safety record'.

I am certainly no expert but when people use the word relatively with aircraft it does make you raise an eyebrow.

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Seems the mishaps at cruising altitude are becoming the norm.

Traditionally the safest part of the journey, I wonder if something has changed ...

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It is what it is ! Machines can break ! And when your machine is at 38,000 feet and the Mtn`s come up to meet you at your end,Its not a nice sight !

The BLK,AKA orange boxes will tell the Tell !

From Looking at the site ,THey didnt feel a thing ! Total destruction in a mili-sec!

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Man, what a disaster!

I couldn't believe the destruction!

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No distress signal. People who saw it come down said there was no smoke or fire coming out of the plane, so what happen?

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No distress signal. People who saw it come down said there was no smoke or fire coming out of the plane, so what happen?

Distraction? Distracted pilots have lead to fatal aircraft accidents in the past.

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Only if falling for 8 minutes is quick.

3000ft a minute isn't a plunge. But yes, they may have been aware they were in trouble.
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A very sad event. I hope they figure out the cause.

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They maintained their flight path down to the ground.

No response to ground communications.

Happened over French Alps, so passengers cell phones not working? Plenty of time to hit a tower, if there were any.

Very strange....

Witness said:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/24/germanwings-plane-black-box-found-as-investigators-reach-crash-site

"One witness, Sebastien Giroux, said he saw the plane flying very low in the southern Alps near Digne-les-Bains, near where it crashed.

“There was no smoke or particular sound or sign of anything wrong, but at the altitude it was flying it was clearly not going to make it over the mountains,” he told BFM-TV. “I didn’t see anything wrong with the plane, but it was too low.”

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