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[psyche101]

Redranger, on 11 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Dolphins are very intelligent. Theres more then one way to evolve into an intelligent species.

They are an animal that uses some rudimentary tools. How many Dolphins that you know have made a car, a plasma telly?
Nobody knows actually how intelligent a Dolpin is, we know they can generalise which is also true for pigs, and we know they can communicate, also true of great apes. Dolphins are wild animals but people anthropomorphise them into some cute cuddly creature. They are not, Dolphins commit infanticide and they rape anything. Several people have been raped by Dolphins, there is even a story that Demi Moore had a close encounter, not that I would blame the Dolphin, I always though Demi Moore was pretty hot.
How long do you think it would take before a Dolphin is ready to explore space?

Redranger, on 11 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Again neutrinos! Faster then light, and everywhere!
http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-15017484

For one, how do you propose to use these Neutrinos?
For two, the above experiment was proven incorrect. In the link you gave me it says:


But the group understands that what are known as "systematic errors" could easily make an erroneous result look like a breaking of the ultimate speed limit.
That has motivated them to publish their measurements.
"My dream would be that another, independent experiment finds the same thing - then I would be relieved," Dr Ereditato told BBC News.
But for now, he explained, "we are not claiming things, we want just to be helped by the community in understanding our crazy result - because it is crazy".

This follow up story shows us what the independent testing showed:

Not so fast. On Wednesday the CERN team said they had made a mistake, Science Magazinereported. Something had gone wrong with the timing gear, and with the optical fiber connection. Neutrinos, they said, probablydon’t travel faster than light, at 186,000-miles-per-second. Or at least they haven’t been able to prove it yet.

“Always check the cable before doubting Einstein,” Forbes wrote with glee Wednesday. Five other reasons you should never doubt the father of modern physics after the jump.

LINK -

Neutrinos are not faster than light — why you should never doubt Einstein

Redranger, on 11 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

My point is that we often label things we don't understand as "magic" or "impossible."

Who is doing that? Fringe crackpots? People who "Self educated" themselves with science? I do not label things magic. I just do not do that. I doubt anyone in real Science would as well.

Some things are impossible, things are what they are. That's just life.

Redranger, on 11 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Fantasy is just streched reality.

No it is not, that is why they are do not have the same names. Fantasy is imagination. Imagination can inspire, but it is no benchmark.

Redranger, on 11 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

According to him gravity is a law of the universe. So without the universe there isn't gravity. There isn't gravity if there isn't anything for it to affect.

Yes indeed, that is the proof you were asking for is it not?

Redranger, on 11 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

No one on Earth has, but an alien species very well may have.

Why? What drives you to believe this is not only possible, but has happened?

Redranger, on 11 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Correct, no one can prove it with what knowledge we currently have.

Exactly, with what we know, there is an equal chance that we are alone here. The stars indicate otherwise, but as far as proof goes, we have none for life outside of this planet. As such, everything we are told from those who claim to know about Aliens is made up.

Redranger, on 11 May 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

We wouldn't know how to listen if we didn't first learn to control fire among other things.

Perhaps, it was a very early step, but the example I had brought up was indicative of space faring species, I thought that was what we were getting at? If we hunt exoplanets and can leave the solar system, that has to be pretty impressive next to a Dolphin right?

Edited by psyche101, 11 May 2012 - 04:27 AM.

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Redranger, on 11 May 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Spock used amoebas, I thought ants would be a better fit.

I absolutely love star trek too. I have used analogies from it as well. I think that one might have been written quite some time ago, and we have a better understanding of space and life nowadays. We can realise that some of the creatures depicted never could have attained sentience, and many people have made many discoveries in the meantime. Regardless Gene Rodenberry was in my opinion something of a visionary and he has inspired some inventions with Star Trek so the tale goes. Brilliant series, very inspiring, but we need to remember Star Treks real world prime directive - to provide entertainment

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Merc14, on 11 May 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

Well said!

Thank  you, I do my best to carry a conversation

[Merc14]

psyche101, on 11 May 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

I always though Demi Moore was pretty hot.
How long do you think it would take before a Dolphin is ready to explore space?

I disagree on one point, Demi is still hot, at least to an over 50 guy.  A bit rode hard and put up wet but wouldn't throw her out of bed for eating crackers.

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Merc14, on 11 May 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I disagree on one point, Demi is still hot, at least to an over 50 guy.  A bit rode hard and put up wet but wouldn't throw her out of bed for eating crackers.

No, we are in agreeance there my friend!

I always thought Demi Moore was pretty hot, and I still do! I am 45 but her husband is younger than that, I might be in with a chance!

[Merc14]

psyche101, on 11 May 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

No, we are in agreeance there my friend!

I always thought Demi Moore was pretty hot, and I still do! I am 45 but her husband is younger than that, I might be in with a chance!

Better than a chance I believe, the guy cheated on her and she is single again!  Hence the drunken haze for a few months (Tom Arnold cashed in on that). Good luck to you in your pursuit, my wife would kill me if I did the same.  LOL

Edited by Merc14, 11 May 2012 - 05:06 AM.

[Merc14]

My wife subscribes to the celebrity magazines and unfortunately I read them while on the throne if the Kindle was left upstairs.

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Merc14, on 11 May 2012 - 05:05 AM, said:

Better than a chance I believe, the guy cheated on her and she is single again!  Hence the drunken haze for a few months (Tom Arnold cashed in on that). Good luck to you in your pursuit, my wife would kill me if I did the same.  LOL

Good news indeed! My wife would be happy I think. She might get a moments peace....................

[quillius]

badeskov, on 13 April 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Personally, I have never understood why this is a paradox at all. Radio signals are attenuated relative fast  (on astronomical scales ~200 light years) to the extent where we cannot detect them and what if Einstein was correct (and so far all indications are that he was) that the light speed barrier is insurmountable. The Universe could be teeming with life and we wouldn't have the foggiest idea.  

Cheers,
Badeskov

Hello Badeskov,

I fully agree, good post. I too struggle with seeing this as a paradox, I am glad that the problem with this 'paradox' can be seen from both sides

[Leonardo]

Space isn't empty and, at the relativistic velocities necessary to make interstellar travel feasible, that is a very real problem.

[Lilly]

psyche101, on 11 May 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

.... Regardless Gene Rodenberry was in my opinion something of a visionary and he has inspired some inventions with Star Trek so the tale goes. Brilliant series, very inspiring, but we need to remember Star Treks real world prime directive - to provide entertainment

Indeed, Star Trek explored strange new worlds and provided entertainment for all sentient species! And, while fueling our imagination some folks went on to invent a few things as well...see link here.

Just to add, I'm with badeskov on this one, I don't really see the lack of ET contact as being pardoxical either. The universe is so mind bendingly large...ETs could be out there, just very far, far away from us.

Edited by Lilly, 11 May 2012 - 09:38 AM.
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[itsnotoutthere]

This fits nicely with my theory that we are indeed entirely alone in the universe.

[bison]

Two points of Fermi's paradox were that even at well below the speed of light, a single sentient species could spread across and occupy the entire galaxy. All they would need would be sufficient time. Even in Fermi's day, we knew that our solar system is a latecomer to the galaxy, it was realized that many sentient species could have arisen a billion or more years before we did. Far more than sufficient time to fill this galaxy of ours; something like how we expanded from a small niche in Africa to cover the entire planet in less than a million years. There is indeed a paradox, as long as we assume that Earth isn't closely surrounded by extraterrestrial species, who simple happen to be rather subtle about the process of introducing themselves to us.

[shaddow134]

I also agree with Badeskov , the distances between stars are mindbending at the very least.If and it's a big big if for me,Aliens had stumbled upon us i doubt wether an advanced civilization would want contact with us.

My personal belief is that although there may be a lot of life,intelligent life may actually be more scarce due to self extinction,extinction,planetary wide disasters and cosmic events.

http://www.space.com...ent-aliens.html

https://www.physics....opics/seti.html

http://www.dailygala...oid-impact.html

http://news.discover...low-110409.html

[the L]

itsnotoutthere, on 11 May 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

This fits nicely with my theory that we are indeed entirely alone in the universe.

More and more you read you are going in that direction. Lately I started to think the same.
Maybe Im influenced by Aristotele.

Edited by the N, 11 May 2012 - 09:19 PM.