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#16    Hazzard

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:05 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 10 February 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Too bad, buddy. Just put on your tin-hat, get the popcorn and go back to your Star Treck episode.



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I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:20 PM

I doubt if there are aliens watching us that they are surprised by what they see; they would have come into existence through the same evolutionary processes as we.

The emphasis here seems to be on all the troubles we have, and we have troubles, but the human race is doing fine and making steady if uneven progress.

Actually I don't think they are watching us; they would long ago have said, "hello."  All the reasons people invent for why they wouldn't have are full of holes.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:27 PM

Without all the misanthropic thoughts that seem to be the general excuse I will go with the they simple haven't been here and even if they have tried to contact us via radio, lasers, semaphores, robotic carrier pigeons or whatever it hasn't reached us or we missed it.

I find it odd that a lot people assume aliens are either angelic, living in perfect harmony with one another, or evil, wanting to destroy all the lesser scum out there and step on their glasses and take their lunches. I'd think that even an advanced civilization would have the same issues as any other civilization. Different beliefs, different politics....ideas everything that makes us human. Why would time and evolution erase that fact? Just my opinion but it would seem to me that evolution requires there to be niches and roles to be filled, whether they be physical or ideological (NO I do not have anything to back that, just seems to make sense to me if that matters).

So we could be visited by aliens who's agenda could be just as confusing as twp groups of people here on earth. Initially it could be peaceful and then the factions within could end up changing, not necessarily for the worse.

All in all, distance is the barrier and until someone can work out a way to, if possible, break that light barrier...I think it will be a long time, if ever, that we meet "them". JMO.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

View Postfran123, on 09 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

When you watch the news on television. or read the newspapers, most of the content is about conflict. No matter what or where the country is, all we hear about is death and destruction. If there are alien civisilisations, would they be wiling to have contact with beings from another planet if all they do is constantly murder and maim each other?  Do they maybe just see us as a bunch of savages, who would probably shoot first and ask questions later?  I'm sure there must be intelligent life somewhere out there but if you were a civilised peaceful species from another world, would you really want to be the one to make first contact with humanity? I know I wouldn't.

Why would you think they wouldn't be as barbaric and cruel as we are?  Just because you have the tech to zip through space doesn't mean you're still not an ***hat.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

WHy not ? We are watching Aliens every day on our boarders ! I think that If E.T is really out there,Then Indeed they are watching. ANd for sure are not going to get any closer than they need too. Afterall  just flip on the nightly news anywhere in the world and see for yourselfs what we do here on Earth ! Not very good at Marketing  our Commucation skills Eah? We seem to Kill just about everything we can,Eat most of that ,and waist all the rest !
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

Maybe they are waiting for us to destroy ouselves,then they can come and take over.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

My word what a bunch of pessimists; the aliens want to either do us in or have us do us in.  Wake up and smell the flowers.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 10 February 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

My word what a bunch of pessimists; the aliens want to either do us in or have us do us in.  Wake up and smell the flowers.

Lots of doom and gloom, I agree,... I blame Hollywood.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

View PostHazzard, on 10 February 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Lots of doom and gloom, I agree,... I blame Hollywood.
I blame way too much spare time on ones fingers ! :tu:

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:10 PM

View Postfran123, on 09 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

When you watch the news on television. or read the newspapers, most of the content is about conflict. No matter what or where the country is, all we hear about is death and destruction. If there are alien civisilisations, would they be wiling to have contact with beings from another planet if all they do is constantly murder and maim each other?  Do they maybe just see us as a bunch of savages, who would probably shoot first and ask questions later?  I'm sure there must be intelligent life somewhere out there but if you were a civilised peaceful species from another world, would you really want to be the one to make first contact with humanity? I know I wouldn't.

I am sure that anything which has the technology to fly through the Universe, get safely through the milky way, then after passing the likes of Jupiter, our fighting would seem like kids stuff to them.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:31 AM

View Postfran123, on 09 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

When you watch the news on television. or read the newspapers, most of the content is about conflict. No matter what or where the country is, all we hear about is death and destruction. If there are alien civisilisations, would they be wiling to have contact with beings from another planet if all they do is constantly murder and maim each other?  Do they maybe just see us as a bunch of savages, who would probably shoot first and ask questions later?  I'm sure there must be intelligent life somewhere out there but if you were a civilised peaceful species from another world, would you really want to be the one to make first contact with humanity? I know I wouldn't.

But you are not an alien.

Who knows, maybe they love war and destruction on a massive scale!


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:35 AM

View PostHazzard, on 10 February 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:




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Quick, change it into "orangutan" !!


(why the hell can I not quote that post??)


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Edited by Abramelin, 11 February 2013 - 12:37 AM.


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:21 AM

View Postfran123, on 09 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

When you watch the news on television. or read the newspapers, most of the content is about conflict. No matter what or where the country is, all we hear about is death and destruction. If there are alien civisilisations, would they be wiling to have contact with beings from another planet if all they do is constantly murder and maim each other?  Do they maybe just see us as a bunch of savages, who would probably shoot first and ask questions later?  I'm sure there must be intelligent life somewhere out there but if you were a civilised peaceful species from another world, would you really want to be the one to make first contact with humanity? I know I wouldn't.

What if Klingons are an accurate depiction of the majority of Aliens, they would see our conflict as normal life, to sit around and spy in what some consider a potentially dangerous species seems to have more disadvantages than advantages wether one be benevolent or not, nobody likes to be spied upon. It strikes me as a silly recourse for an advanced species that could simply correct any mistakes, or bad habits we might be gathering. The prime directive thing is pure Sci Fi and does not actually make sense, which is why I suppose Star Trek Captains break it every other week.
Maybe it is worse out there than it is here for all we know. Our Utopian ideals of a Garden of Eden might be completely off the wall for an advanced species.
Everyone has to start someplace, and to initiate in Industrial Revolution  you need time on your hands, such as we did, I do not see another species never going through, or understanding what we are currently experiencing. Hiding in the shadows seems anything but intelligent to me. Or, perhaps, as Stephen Hawking suggested, they might be even more violent. Not sure why everyone sugar coats Alien concepts.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:45 AM

View Postfran123, on 09 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

When you watch the news on television. or read the newspapers, most of the content is about conflict. No matter what or where the country is, all we hear about is death and destruction. If there are alien civisilisations, would they be wiling to have contact with beings from another planet if all they do is constantly murder and maim each other?  Do they maybe just see us as a bunch of savages, who would probably shoot first and ask questions later?  I'm sure there must be intelligent life somewhere out there but if you were a civilised peaceful species from another world, would you really want to be the one to make first contact with humanity? I know I wouldn't.

Or another take. What if we do not even factor into their idea of existence?



"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

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They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."

"Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."

"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"

"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."

"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."

"No brain?"

"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is
made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."

"So ... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal!  Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

"Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."

"Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"

"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."

"We're supposed to talk to meat."

"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"
"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is
on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"

"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."

"So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."

"That's it."

"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't remember?"

"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."

"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."

"And we marked the entire sector
unoccupied."

"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"

"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."

"They always come around."

"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ..."


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:55 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 11 February 2013 - 12:35 AM, said:

Quick, change it into "orangutan" !!



His post was so stupid it was impossible to respond to in a prosaic manner.

Edited by Hazzard, 11 February 2013 - 09:59 AM.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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