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[sonyagreen]

The forthcoming election of president in Russia scheduled for March 4, 2012 is already illegitimate. Why? Candidates from parliamentary parties and self-nominee candidates are set in unequal conditions in violation of Constitution. If you are a self-nominee you are to collect 2 million signatures of votes in you support, in......20 days! That is the price of registration you as a candidate. Sounds unrealistic, and it is actually so! That is how unwanted candidates are being sorted out from the election. Or maybe not all of them, if you are an oligarch, like Michael Prokhorov, and have enough money to fabricate those signatures, you are welcome to continue in the election race.



On January 30, 2012 Russian fate is at stake
http://volya-naroda....x/?axf_lang=eng

[keithisco]

I find this outrageous.....

In any democratic process ANYONE should be able to put themselves forward as a candidate

Of course - in the Western Nations - you have no chance of being elected unless you can pay for the advertising

[sonyagreen]

keithisco, on 30 January 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

I find this outrageous.....

In any democratic process ANYONE should be able to put themselves forward as a candidate

Of course - in the Western Nations - you have no chance of being elected unless you can pay for the advertising

agree with you. Russia and fair elections - incompatible things

[sonyagreen]

As example their candidat Svetlana Peunova was excluded from the list of candidates for submitting not-enough amount of signatures in her support. Interestingly enough, political scientists consider the amount of signatures stated by acting elective legislation impossible for collection in allocated time period, which means, that candidates who met the requested amount (including oligarch Prokhorov) are likely to have committed fraud.
She requested the Supreme Court of the RF to prove consistency of acting Russian elective legislation with Russian constitution, the direct-acting law of the country. The hearing rejected the request: The power did not invent insuperable obstacles for not-approved candidates to have second thoughts.

[Subsonicjourno]

Is the topic title a trick question... of course the money will get you into office, your fooling yourselves if you don't think the same applies in every 'democratic' nation.

[sonyagreen]

Subsonicjourno, on 06 February 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Is the topic title a trick question... of course the money will get you into office, your fooling yourselves if you don't think the same applies in every 'democratic' nation.

It's very sadly isn't it? I think if people unit they'll be able to resist this system and defend their rights. Voice of every citizen in spite of his welfare should be heared in democratic nation.

[sonyagreen]

Hi guys

I want to continue this topic about unconstitutional elections in Russia. I'm here on the exchange programme now and can directly see all their events. Many citizens do not allow bloody plans to happen... They think oligarchs and corrupted officials must resign because there is no more space for them in bright future.

At the same time many people support their national leader Svetlana Peunova and believe she will lead the country to the prosperity. What goes around comes around.

[Mr Right Wing]

sonyagreen, on 30 January 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

The forthcoming election of president in Russia scheduled for March 4, 2012 is already illegitimate. Why? Candidates from parliamentary parties and self-nominee candidates are set in unequal conditions in violation of Constitution. If you are a self-nominee you are to collect 2 million signatures of votes in you support, in......20 days! That is the price of registration you as a candidate. Sounds unrealistic, and it is actually so! That is how unwanted candidates are being sorted out from the election. Or maybe not all of them, if you are an oligarch, like Michael Prokhorov, and have enough money to fabricate those signatures, you are welcome to continue in the election race.



On January 30, 2012 Russian fate is at stake
http://volya-naroda....x/?axf_lang=eng

I agree with their system and there is no evidence that Michael Prokhorov has been fabricating signatures.

It makes sure that you can only run for President when you have a decent sized party behind you that people want to vote for. 2 millions votes out of 150 million citizens is nothing. The candidates party will easily be able to collect that amount of signatures and if they cant they're a waste of time anyway.

In England we have a similar system but you only require 10 nominee signatures to stand in an elecation.

[Kafkaesque]

So Putin will probably be president.

For the third time.

After just leaving his spot as prime minister.

Looks like someone doesn't want to give up power.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Comrade Putin will lead Russia back to greatness.  

Actually, I think that's what's needed; an unstable and impoverished Russia, thanks to the "Democratic" West (and let's be honest, the flag wavers of Democracy don't have much claim to being truly representative of the wishes of the People, do they   )trying to force their sacred ideal of Capitialism on them, was really not a recipe for global peace and Stability. It's worked very nicely for a handful of oligarchs and mafiosi, but has it brought a blissful future of freedom and happiness for the masses? I rather feel that Marx would have an ironic smile on his face.  

[smurf0852]

747400, on 05 March 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

Comrade Putin will lead Russia back to greatness.  

Actually, I think that's what's needed; an unstable and impoverished Russia, thanks to the "Democratic" West (and let's be honest, the flag wavers of Democracy don't have much claim to being truly representative of the wishes of the People, do they   )trying to force their sacred ideal of Capitialism on them, was really not a recipe for global peace and Stability. It's worked very nicely for a handful of oligarchs and mafiosi, but has it brought a blissful future of freedom and happiness for the masses? I rather feel that Marx would have an ironic smile on his face.  

i just hope it can lead to real marxism and not to the stalanist nightmare they had before.because lets face it capitalisem can only ever be short term in a world of limited money and resorces so let em get on with it.

[Parsip]

747400, on 05 March 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

Comrade Putin will lead Russia back to greatness.  

Actually, I think that's what's needed; an unstable and impoverished Russia, thanks to the "Democratic" West (and let's be honest, the flag wavers of Democracy don't have much claim to being truly representative of the wishes of the People, do they   )trying to force their sacred ideal of Capitialism on them, was really not a recipe for global peace and Stability. It's worked very nicely for a handful of oligarchs and mafiosi, but has it brought a blissful future of freedom and happiness for the masses? I rather feel that Marx would have an ironic smile on his face.  

What Russia has had since the end of the Soviet Union is far from capitalism, 74700. Russia's economic freedom is near-nonexistent. It's rated as "Mostly Unfree", #144 in the world. It's a corrupt mess.

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Russia’s economic freedom score is 50.5, making its economy the 144th freest in the 2012 Index. Its score is unchanged from last year, with a significant increase in business freedom counterbalanced by a significant deterioration in control of government spending. Russia is ranked 41st out of 43 countries in the Europe region, and its overall score is below the world and regional averages.

The Russian government has demonstrated little if any commitment to economic reform in recent years, and the country’s economic freedom score remains stuck at the lower end of the “mostly unfree” category. While strong returns from hydrocarbons have buoyed the economy, prospects for sustained long-term growth and diversification remain dim. Pervasive corruption and limited respect for property rights undermine the rule of law, increasing uncertainty and investment risk.

Extensive state interference in the economy mutes private-sector dynamism. Layers of complex non-tariff barriers significantly increase the cost of trade. Deterrents to foreign direct investment include bureaucratic inconsistency and regulatory obscurity. The lack of market competition has inflated price levels. Public spending has been expanding, with little transparency or public accountability for expenditures. The budget has become increasingly dependent on oil prices.

http://www.heritage..../country/russia

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Parsip, on 06 March 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

What Russia has had since the end of the Soviet Union is far from capitalism, 74700. Russia's economic freedom is near-nonexistent. It's rated as "Mostly Unfree", #144 in the world. It's a corrupt mess.

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Siunds a pretty good description of Capitalism to me.

[Parsip]

Crony "capitalism", you mean, not a true capitalist system.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Parsip, on 06 March 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Crony "capitalism", you mean, not a true capitalist system.

You could be right; but that's what we have everywhere in the "West" now, isn't it. Perhaps Capitalism has gone the way that Communism did in the USSR; they both became corrupted and just a way for people who want Power to get power. Certainly Capitalism isn't any more democratic than Communism, is it; it doesn't make the slightest difference who anyone votes for, since the mega-corporations are way too big for government to have any influence over; in fact, it's the other way round, isn't it.