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Why God would create science


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IMO, if there is a God, then one of the challenges of life, is to have faith. I don't believe a lack of faith will condemn one to hell, but I think faith is essential to the development of the soul.

So, for faith to work, God has to hide himself as well as possible. That mean, there has to be a rational, alternative, exlanation for things. If God made him/herself, blatently obvious, people would not have faith - they would know - and there is no challenge in knowing...

So, God would create a history with evolution. The Universe would have defined laws. Things could be explained...

Evil would have to exist. Because, if God wiped out all evil, not only would man be deprived of challenges, but he would be a blind follower of God.

So, people who follow God, should not be afraid of science, or evolution. If anything, the attention to every little detail, should afirm that this could not have happened by mere chance... Skeptics would rather believe that there are billions of Universes, and we are just here by chance. But to me, a God, or a creator, is much more logical...

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people would not have faith - they would know - and there is no challenge in knowing...

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Do you have any idea how many hours I spent studying Physics proofs for my exam yesterday? How long it took me to digest and understand the over 150 square feet of whiteboard full of equations explaining mass, inertia, friction, velocity, etc, etc? No challenge in knowing? HAH! I Wish! Knowing takes much more effort, much more determination, much more courage than merely accepting any given statement and defending it as the truth.

Anybody from the Pope to an aboriginal tribesman can have faith. Only those who have stripped away their preconceptions and personal beliefs to arrived at empirical data can claim to know. Of the two, I submit to you that the second is far more challenging than the first.

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I agree with you eric77.

If humans had definitive scientific proof of God, God would be a no-brainer.

And clearly no God, would want to be a no-brainer, or something we would have to believe in, because we have no choice.

I dont believe you could ever prove God, and those that think they have scientific proof of God are delusional. I believe you can find evidence of God...very good evidence at that, but not definitive proof.

Either way you cant prove or disprove God, and when all philosophy comes down to it, we(the universe) either came about because of 'some stuff' or 'someone'. And to believe in either one requires faith. tongue.gif

Well put eric77. thumbsup.gif

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Well, God obviously made us/she in his image, so he/she made many contradictions like humans make.

Firstly is the one about sex, if he/she didnt want us to do it, why would he/she let us in the first place, but I think that is more a contradiction made by the church.

And then there are things like why would he/she make so many dangerous substances if he/she didnt want us to use them.

And there is also the fact that humans have the built in urge to use these things, if he/she create us we could of had none of these things.

But you do raise a valid point.

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I believe that the Gods didn't create science. We did.

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god created a universe with laws . We have discovered a pathetically small fraction those laws and have called them science . None of us can really say that we "know" anything ... its only possible to have better reasons for believing .

Then again , thats open to opinion as well .

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Do you have any idea how many hours I spent studying Physics proofs for my exam yesterday? How long it took me to digest and understand the over 150 square feet of whiteboard full of equations explaining mass, inertia, friction, velocity, etc, etc? No challenge in knowing? HAH! I Wish! Knowing takes much more effort, much more determination, much more courage than merely accepting any given statement and defending it as the truth.

well, technically, thats a challenge in LEARNING...do u find it difficult to KNOW that red is red? the the sky is blue, that 2+2=4? no...it may have been hard to LEARN that, but once u know it, the challenge is gone...

very good point thumbsup.gif i have often thought of y He would create science, but i just thought it to be to weed out the ppl who would easily go astray if given another possibility...but, i like yer thought better

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Why God would create science

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the question is : Why did god creat the Doomsday Banana ?

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Well, God obviously made us/she in his image, so he/she made many contradictions like humans make.

Firstly is the one about sex, if he/she didnt want us to do it, why would he/she let us in the first place, but I think that is more a contradiction made by the church.

And then there are things like why would he/she make so many dangerous substances if he/she didnt want us to use them.

And there is also the fact that humans have the built in urge to use these things, if he/she create us we could of had none of these things.

But you do raise a valid point.

God would create sex, because man is the ultimate in dulaity. One the one hand, we are an animal, with base urges and needs, and on the other - we are a spiritual being capable of art, music, and love.

To balance the physical, biological urges (such as sex and warefare), takes effort. This is part of the challenge of life.

Dangerous thing because they have to. What is a world with no danger? No pain? I think Heaven is that world, but that presents a limitation on how far the soul can develop. Thus, we are here.

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the question is : Why did god creat the Doomsday Banana ?

To lead the minions into war, why else?

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At the risk of getting serious for a moment, I don't believe God did create science. I believe that even God has to work within the boundaries of the fundamental physical laws of the Universe..

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God would create sex,

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Thank you god.

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It even makes up for all the plagues and smitings! w00t.gif

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well, technically, thats a challenge in LEARNING...do u find it difficult to KNOW that red is red? the the sky is blue, that 2+2=4? no...it may have been hard to LEARN that, but once u know it, the challenge is gone...

Please, you're arguing semantics.

It hits right on one of my personal pet peeves when people so blithely compare faith in a religion to faith in science. It is right up there with the interchangeable use of the word "theory", in its scientific sense, with the word "theory" in its civilian sense. It is, at best, an indication of ignorance concerning the implications of the different definitions, and at worst an outright attempt at deception using the aforementioned ignorance.

As many people here know, I don't really care a great deal about people's various belief systems. What I care about is science. As long as people don't attempt to redefine or misuse science for the advancement of their opinions, I simply doesn't matter to me. But I take exception, to the point of insult, when people compare my "faith" in science to the same "faith" in religion.

My "faith" in science is nothing more than a measure of probability. I have spent so many years working on proofs, on experimental analysis, on re-tracing the foundations of studies, investigating their credibility, their repeatability; I have, along with so many other scholars, re-traced the steps of hundreds of researchers whose discoveries in science have brought us to where we are today. I "know", not because I have been told to know, but because I have personally followed the logical path from the most basic empirical evidence to the logical conclusion (or conclusions) that can be drawn from it, and have then gone on to verify my answers with completley unbiased seperate sources than my own.

I ask you then, I seriously ask you because I cannot conceive of it; Please tell me how you can justifiably say that the "faith" that you use to believe in your God came about the same way that my "faith" in science came to me. Right now, the only conception I have of religious "faith" is an ad infinitum recitation of your favorite book of faith, until you have memorized and can repeat relevent lines. Am I wrong? Is there something to this "faith", that does not involve relying on a third party to provide you with information? Is there anything that can described as anything other than a subjective experience?

You have attempted to redefine the words logical, faith, and knowledge. I would ask you to defend your statements.

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So, people who follow God, should not be afraid of science, or evolution. If anything, the attention to every little detail, should afirm that this could not have happened by mere chance... Skeptics would rather believe that there are billions of Universes, and we are just here by chance. But to me, a God, or a creator, is much more logical...

It should should it? Why? Because you cant imagine the possibility that it happened? Because you are already tainted by the belief in God and are looking for reasons to back that belief up? No, I dont believe that believing in God is much more logical to you. I think its just easier and more comforting for you to believe in.

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You have attempted to redefine the words logical, faith, and knowledge. I would ask you to defend your statements.

please, your big words to make u sound impressive,

umm...idk how u got...whatever it is u got from what i said, but i didnt redefine n e thing...all i did was say that learning is a challenge, and knowing is not... dont look so deeply into these things tongue.gif

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IMO, reasons God create the world thorugh science is that:

1) He is a God of beauty (order, consistency, variations none the less) so the world reflect his style.

2) We (would like to include alien civilizations if I know any applicable) can take care of the world (animals, plants, and all resources), make good use of it as instructed to Adam and Eve (Not that I believe the old testament word by word, but I believe there are facets of truth in what's written). I'm confident that God knows we have the potential to find Science, his handmaid in a sense and we will see her as we became more aware (civilization toddler stage?).

3) It's a backup route to faith in the existence of God should the J.C. routine bypass our souls.

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Why did god create science ? tis simple really :

God eventually grew tired of babysitting us morons so he created things like video games and message boards to keep us at home.

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3) It's a backup route to faith in the existence of God should the J.C. routine bypass our souls.

Your joking right?

Some new type christians here eh......instead of trying to discredit science, they just say God created it.

I feel dirty just responding to your propagandist remarks. But never-the-less it should be pointed out that your viewing the world through bias glasses. Your looking at things and automatically trying to figure out how it can relate to God, your God......... Your shoe fitting!

The whole reason why all the Apologetic websites are now claiming God created science is because they know science is one step away from exposing the falsehoods of the idea of a God once and for all.

Anyone that wants to see the absurdities of this Apologetic propaganda just do a googgle search on "Apologetics".

Man developed science, and he did it because he knew that the idea that "God made that" was not a proper answer and to further subscribe to it would only encourage ignorance.

We are supposed to battle ignorance not promote it.....it is morally wrong to promote ignorance!

I'm going to take a shower now so as I can scrub the filth from my eyes that I've just read, penned from the fingers of the fanatical promoters of ignorance. YUCK!!!

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Hehe Chauncy, I thought you are more open to discussion reasoning to reasoning. Take a break. wink2.gif And no need to label me or call names, seriously, I have never visit any 'Apologetic' website and would be first one to be p***ed off by anyone who don't respect logical thinking. Not everyone believe in the co-existence of God and science is a moron or hypocrite.

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Man created science because god gave us a mind and means us to use it.

What would you do, Chauncy, if scientific evidence came about proving god exists?

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Obviously he'd have to deal with it, and I know he would, and so would I. What would all you guys do if scientific evidence came around disproving God? Judging from what religion has done thus far... you'd still cling to the idea that God exists... Most of you atleast....

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Man created science because god gave us a mind and means us to use it.

What would you do, Chauncy, if scientific evidence came about proving god exists?

Seeing how I believe there is no Christian God, and that I believe people cling to it because they require the security and do not know where else to gain this security. Then the idea that god created our minds I feel is hogwash mythology.

"If" science proves God's exisitence (which it won't) Then I will suffer the consequences, because I will not worshipp!!

A matter of fact if God came right down and looked me in the eye, I would probably take the oppurtunity to punch him right in the belly for all the crimes against humanity he has committed.

I will never change my stance because of my moral code, deification and worship should have been ousted with blood letting.

Not everyone believe in the co-existence of God and science is a moron or hypocrite.

No but it would seem like a temporary belief, where as it can not be proven that God exists, and this point is what is capitalized on to say things like God created science. I'm the type of person that likes to move forward with the wisdoms gained from the past.

Science is an ongoing thing, it is infinite and will never stop. It is very obvious that if this world was run by the code that Christians live by then we would be no-where, we would still be in the dark ages. So to lay claim to the achievments of science I feel to be very much propagandist.

Now let me ask anyone that chooses to answer.......What if science proves that God was created by mankind and is non-existent....what would you do?

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