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Did man and dinosaur co-exist?


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:18 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 13 September 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Says who?

What do you mean says who, are you going to try to preach to us about something you evidently cannot bring arguable arguments for?

We get enough of that at church, thank you.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:24 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 13 September 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

What do you mean says who, are you going to try to preach to us about something you evidently cannot bring arguable arguments for?

We get enough of that at church, thank you.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:28 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 13 September 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

What proof you have that birds are evolved from dinos? Archeopetryx is no more accepted as the link.

Ah, that's true, more or less.

Check "China" & "Bird evolution".


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:30 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 13 September 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

What proof you have that birds are evolved from dinos? Archeopetryx is no more accepted as the link.

I believe birds are the only animals on Earth that have feathers.

Here is a list of dinosaur species preserved with evidence of feathers.   http://en.wikipedia....thered_dinosaur
What do you think the reason dinosaurs would have feathers if they weren't in the process of evolving into birds?

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:32 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 13 September 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

If you still go you should probably listen to a few aspects

Yep, like there is a saddle that Adam used to ride a Dino.

If I go it is because somebody I respect values my going to a function. For me they could close the things as popular-dumbing-down institutions.

Edited by questionmark, 13 September 2012 - 06:34 PM.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:32 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 13 September 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

potassium argon dating is highly erroneous and inaccurate and stupid.

http://en.wikipedia....i/K–Ar_dating

Can you give as a link to a scientific paper (not funded by a Creationist organisation) about that?


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:43 PM

A question, Hash, since you appear not to accept evolution theory:

Can you explain to me why  ceteceans (whales and dolphins)  have rudimentairy hip bones and hind-limb bones?

http://etb-whales.bl...hales_1221.html


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Edited by Abramelin, 13 September 2012 - 06:44 PM.


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:51 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 13 September 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

Sorry but creationist websites are highly unreliable where impartiality and critical thinking are concerned IMO.

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 13 September 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

So are Dogma throwing, Gospel quoting, evolutionists but you don't seem to have a problem with that..........check the references and read the information provided and evaluate it using your native intelligence............if alchemist can also be scientists (Newton) why can't valid information be found on creationist sites?


I'm looking real hard but can't seem to see where I said valid information couldn't be found.  Perhaps you can quote and highlight the text I seem to be missing.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:53 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 13 September 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

If modern humans had lived at the same time as the dinosaurs, humans would have gone the way of the dinosaurs.

And we would have found more than just same vague human-looking tracks crossing dinosaur tracks, we would have found fossilized human remains in the same layers as where the dinosaur bones were found.

And if humans lived back then, so did all the present mammals and other animals. Elephants and hippos would soon have been whiped out by T-Rex and his family.


There is scientific proof the dinosaurs died off after an impact of an asteroid in Yucatan, maybe in combination with the climatic changes and poisonous gasses caused by the volcanic eruptions and lava flows of/in the Deccan Traps.

They have found layers of ash (impact) that form a boundary: below it they found dinosaur fossils, above it no dinosaur fossils (and yes, I know, some dinosaurs lingered on for thousands of years after the impact before they went extinct).

If you believe we humans lived then, why are we still here?



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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:57 PM

There is even evidence in the laboratory of evolution

http://www.newscient...in-the-lab.html

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:57 PM

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What proof you have that birds are evolved from dinos? Archeopetryx is no more accepted as the link.

Whoa! Did I actually make any claims about birds being dinosaurs? What I said was, and I quote, "If I am correct, birds are the evolved form of the original feathered dinosaurs a.k.a. the theropod dinosaurs. Hence, man and dinos co-exist even today!". I also did say that I was a real wolf in an earlier post. Dude, asking people to prove everything they say, whether it's an individual view according to one's understanding and knowledge for the sake of a conversation or just something said for the sake of humor, could be pretty dull and boring. Don't you think? Okay, so what, even if I was right or wrong in that birds aren't dinosaurs? Who cares? Oh, wait... you do! Haha.

BTW, just so you know, (and I am no expert), but having feathers is said to be, in itself, a distinctive feature of some of the dinosaurs of some (blah, blah) period. But that's just what I had read somewhere at some point of my life, and I do not desire nor intend to contest it in any way. I sincerely suggest you visit a museum. I wish you good luck with that... :tu:

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:03 PM

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:09 PM

View Postdlonewolf85, on 13 September 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Whoa! Did I actually make any claims about birds being dinosaurs? What I said was, and I quote, "If I am correct, birds are the evolved form of the original feathered dinosaurs a.k.a. the theropod dinosaurs. Hence, man and dinos co-exist even today!". I also did say that I was a real wolf in an earlier post. Dude, asking people to prove everything they say, whether it's an individual view according to one's understanding and knowledge for the sake of a conversation or just something said for the sake of humor, could be pretty dull and boring. Don't you think? Okay, so what, even if I was right or wrong in that birds aren't dinosaurs? Who cares? Oh, wait... you do! Haha.

BTW, just so you know, (and I am no expert), but having feathers is said to be, in itself, a distinctive feature of some of the dinosaurs of some (blah, blah) period. But that's just what I had read somewhere at some point of my life, and I do not desire nor intend to contest it in any way. I sincerely suggest you visit a museum. I wish you good luck with that... :tu:


After a century of hypotheses without conclusive evidence, well-preserved fossils of feathered dinosaurs were discovered during the 1990s, and more continue to be found. The fossils were preserved in a Lagerstätte — a sedimentary deposit exhibiting remarkable richness and completeness in its fossils — in Liaoning, China. The area had repeatedly been smothered in volcanic ash produced by eruptions in Inner Mongolia 124 million years ago, during the Early Cretaceous Period. The fine-grained ash preserved the living organisms that it buried in fine detail. The area was teeming with life, with millions of leaves, angiosperms (the oldest known), insects, fish, frogs, salamanders, mammals, turtles, and lizards discovered to date.

The most important discoveries at Liaoning have been a host of feathered dinosaur fossils, with a steady stream of new finds filling in the picture of the dinosaur-bird connection and adding more to theories of the evolutionary development of feathers and flight. Norell et al. (2007) reported quill knobs from an ulna of Velociraptor mongoliensis, and these are strongly correlated with large and well-developed secondary feathers.

A nesting Citipati osmolskae specimen, at the AMNH.Behavioural evidence, in the form of an oviraptorosaur on its nest, showed another link with birds. Its forearms were folded, like those of a bird. Although no feathers were preserved, it is likely that these would have been present to insulate eggs and juveniles
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http://en.wikipedia....thered_dinosaur


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:13 PM

Thanks Abramelin... You saved my lazy a$$ of the trouble! lol.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:20 PM

View Postdlonewolf85, on 13 September 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

Thanks Abramelin... You saved my lazy a$$ of the trouble! lol.

Birds... they are my thing. Well, corvids, actually.

No problems here, I didn't 'correct ' you, I only added.





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