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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:21 AM

This delusion that Americans have a 'right' to own a gun is about as idiotic as people saying celebrities don't have a right to express an opinion. Even if they are wrong or don't conform to your own ideals, they are entitled to a view point as much as the rest of you. Celebrities don't necessarily see themselves as something 'a part' - the public does, and that enables this ideal.  Of course they've started believing their own press! Look around at all the idiots to who eat all up.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:24 AM

View PostWalter White, on 03 January 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

It depends on the whether the actors in the PSA are seen to be glamorizing gun violence in a "hey, aren't guns cool!!!" fashion in the films they star in, then I could agree on a charge of hypocrisy.

If the character they're portraying is a cop or a soldier who at one point in a film has to use a gun (i.e. Julianne Moore in the clip from "Hannibal") then I don't think they're a hypocrite for speaking out against guns.

Sir Anthony Hopkins played a cannibal in "Silence of the Lambs", doesn't make him a hypocrite if he says cannibalism is bad.

If actors were as truly anti-gun as they claim, they can make the choice not to be in a movie or tv show that has them using guns. And they chose the almighty dollar over actually sticking to their "beliefs", which in turn makes them look exactly like what they are - hypocrites.

There are plenty of actors out there that don't take roles that go against their ideals. And there are plenty out there that are aware of the real problem with gun violence, that have no issues using them on camera.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:26 AM

View PostAramis, on 04 January 2013 - 06:21 AM, said:

This delusion that Americans have a 'right' to own a gun is about as idiotic as people saying celebrities don't have a right to express an opinion. Even if they are wrong or don't conform to your own ideals, they are entitled to a view point as much as the rest of you. Celebrities don't necessarily see themselves as something 'a part' - the public does, and that enables this ideal.  Of course they've started believing their own press! Look around at all the idiots to who eat all up.

How is it a "delusion" when the Second Amendment of our Constitution provides this right?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:02 AM

View PostMstrMsn, on 04 January 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

If actors were as truly anti-gun as they claim, they can make the choice not to be in a movie or tv show that has them using guns. And they chose the almighty dollar over actually sticking to their "beliefs", which in turn makes them look exactly like what they are - hypocrites.

There are plenty of actors out there that don't take roles that go against their ideals. And there are plenty out there that are aware of the real problem with gun violence, that have no issues using them on camera.
But we have actors who in the past have played Nazis, racists, "evil" republicans (not to conflate republicanism with nazism or racism), none of which are the ideals of the stock hollywood actor.  We don't accuse Leonardo Di Caprio of hypocrisy because he plays the role of a racist when in the real world he abhors racism.  Why should we treat actors who want stricter gun laws any different when/if they fire a few rounds in a film?

If an anti-gun actor starred in a film which had a strictly pro-gun message, or sought to glamorise guns, then he or she is a hypocrite no doubt.  You'll have no argument from me there.

But not every film which contains guns is pro-guns or an attempt to glamorize their usage, and an actor is free to partake in such films without their character being called into question.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:41 PM

View PostMstrMsn, on 04 January 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

How is it a "delusion" when the Second Amendment of our Constitution provides this right?
A couple of guesses. The constitution is an old piece of paper that can and should be done away with or whittled down. She doesn't have that right so neither should we and people who don't live in America know best. She thinks the world is safer with stricter gun laws against mounds of evidence to the contrary. Or, she's right and this is all a dream and we are delusional to think we have a right that we don't really have but we really do so yea, a reactionary nonsensical comment at its best.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:20 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 03 January 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

Of course they do. More and more it seems the real liberal stance on gun control here is that guns are ok but just not for other people.

Well, that is the liberal stance my friend.

"It's okay for us to have secret service, hired bodyguards that protect our children, and concealed permits for ourselves.

But you can't have guns to protect yourself or your children."

All the while the media says we should ban assault rifles - when picking up semi-automatic guns.

Referring to them as fully automatic guns.

All while the DHS has gathered 1,800,000,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition.

All the while the government is persecuting those who stockpile guns and ammunition; preppers, as "terrorists".

Dark times are definitely ahead..

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:43 AM

View PostWalter White, on 04 January 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

But we have actors who in the past have played Nazis, racists, "evil" republicans (not to conflate republicanism with nazism or racism), none of which are the ideals of the stock hollywood actor.  We don't accuse Leonardo Di Caprio of hypocrisy because he plays the role of a racist when in the real world he abhors racism.  Why should we treat actors who want stricter gun laws any different when/if they fire a few rounds in a film?

If an anti-gun actor starred in a film which had a strictly pro-gun message, or sought to glamorise guns, then he or she is a hypocrite no doubt.  You'll have no argument from me there.

But not every film which contains guns is pro-guns or an attempt to glamorize their usage, and an actor is free to partake in such films without their character being called into question.

Most movies that contain guns are pure action movies (or war), and not meant to convey any kind of message. Few war movies in the last decade had a message, and these were movies like "We were Soldiers", "The Big Red One" and "The Thin Red Line" - and the message was more from a "this is what it was like for us, so you can know our story".... huge difference than a special interest thrown into an action movie (like Seagal did in most of his later films).

Also, you're opening and closing comments basically solidify my statement about they care more for the dollar, than their so called ideals. A few years ago it was gay rights, now it's guns, and next will be something else for them. To them, it's nothing more than a fad. They really don't care one way or another - they only care about what makes them money.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:51 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 04 January 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

A couple of guesses. The constitution is an old piece of paper that can and should be done away with or whittled down. She doesn't have that right so neither should we and people who don't live in America know best. She thinks the world is safer with stricter gun laws against mounds of evidence to the contrary. Or, she's right and this is all a dream and we are delusional to think we have a right that we don't really have but we really do so yea, a reactionary nonsensical comment at its best.

The funny thing, while Canada may be very selective with who they issue permits to own handguns to, they still do. Rifles, shotguns... yep, they have them, too.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:06 PM

View PostMstrMsn, on 05 January 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:



The funny thing, while Canada may be very selective with who they issue permits to own handguns to, they still do. Rifles, shotguns... yep, they have them, too.
Ok, now you're being delusional.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

Quick check reveals yes they have them. No delusion.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:12 PM

I know, I was being funny. Haha.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:36 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 05 January 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

I know, I was being funny. Haha.

Made me chuckle.

The only thing I was ever delusional about was think the Red Sox were a good baseball team.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:00 AM

View PostMstrMsn, on 05 January 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Most movies that contain guns are pure action movies (or war), and not meant to convey any kind of message. Few war movies in the last decade had a message, and these were movies like "We were Soldiers", "The Big Red One" and "The Thin Red Line" - and the message was more from a "this is what it was like for us, so you can know our story".... huge difference than a special interest thrown into an action movie (like Seagal did in most of his later films).
That's my point, these films don't offer a judgement on whether civilians in America should be restricted in what guns they can or can't have (or if they should have them at all), a lot of films which contain guns don't offer that judgement either.  So I don't think it's hypocrisy for an actor who does believe that gun control should be restricted, to appear with a gun in these types of movies.

I'm not familiar with Seagal films so I can't say in that respect.  The only one I do know but not very well is the one with Tommy Lee Jones on a boat.:)

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The only thing I was ever delusional about was think the Red Sox were a good baseball team.
I thought the Red Sox were good?  Then again '07 was a long time ago now and I don't watch Baseball much to be honest.:)

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:52 AM

View PostWalter White, on 07 January 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

That's my point, these films don't offer a judgement on whether civilians in America should be restricted in what guns they can or can't have (or if they should have them at all), a lot of films which contain guns don't offer that judgement either.  So I don't think it's hypocrisy for an actor who does believe that gun control should be restricted, to appear with a gun in these types of movies.

I'm not familiar with Seagal films so I can't say in that respect.  The only one I do know but not very well is the one with Tommy Lee Jones on a boat. :)


I thought the Red Sox were good?  Then again '07 was a long time ago now and I don't watch Baseball much to be honest. :)

You aren't missing anything by not seeing any Seagal movies. The early ones were ok, but crappy plots, crappier dialog, but very good action.

The Red Sox were good that 1 year, and I think the League felt pitty on them for not winning the Series in 86 years. They do suck, they are highly overrated. They dress sloppy, and it reflects on their playing.

As far as actors go, they can be considered hypocrites because they put a paycheck over their ideals. It doesn't matter if the movie sends a message or not.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:53 AM

View PostMstrMsn, on 06 January 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:



Made me chuckle.

The only thing I was ever delusional about was think the Red Sox were a good baseball team.
At least they're not the Pirates. My love for baseball died around 1990 and so did the Pirates. At least we have an awesome stadium though.

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