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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:51 AM

Unless someone puts up a convincing proposition that JC approves of what his 'chosen people' are doing 'over there' the Zionapartheid persuasions will always be criminals against humanity to me ....

'they' suffered a holocaust you say > ?
Things they're responsible for today makes me think that maybe they deserved it and they should have another coming their way if JC is as authentic as they come

Me anti Semitic >? No ... just anti Zionapartheid

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 03:10 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 21 April 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Unless someone puts up a convincing proposition that JC approves of what his 'chosen people' are doing 'over there' the Zionapartheid persuasions will always be criminals against humanity to me ....

'they' suffered a holocaust you say > ?
Things they're responsible for today makes me think that maybe they deserved it and they should have another coming their way if JC is as authentic as they come

Me anti Semitic >? No ... just anti Zionapartheid
But to alleviate this evil in the world my guess is that you'd not be overly upset if Israel was successfully invaded and defeated by the err...rightful owners of that land? Call it whatever you like 3rd eye.  The problem with most here who so loudly decry the sins of Israel is that they do no such thing for any OTHER entity in the world doing the same or worse things with far less justification.  Nah, you're not anti Jew at all...

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 03:53 PM

View Postand then, on 21 April 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

But to alleviate this evil in the world my guess is that you'd not be overly upset if Israel was successfully invaded and defeated by the err...rightful owners of that land? Call it whatever you like 3rd eye.  The problem with most here who so loudly decry the sins of Israel is that they do no such thing for any OTHER entity in the world doing the same or worse things with far less justification.  Nah, you're not anti Jew at all...

Israel will never be thrown out of their land they have been given, so why all the fear of that happening ?

Why is Israel treating Palestinian people like S*** when they themselves would NOT like to be treated as such, and especially on their own land ?
Nobody can expect to treat somebody/anybody like S*** without reprisals, and You wonder why Palestine fight's back...

Correct me IF I am wrong, but isn't this topic about "Life In Occupied Palestine" and NOT about "any OTHER entity in the world" ?

What America is doing is (in my opinion) totally disgusting and wrong, killing innocent people with drones etc and there are various other atrocities in the world that are not caused/committed by Israel

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:12 PM

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Israel will never be thrown out of their land they have been given, so why all the fear of that happening ?

Why is Israel treating Palestinian people like S*** when they themselves would NOT like to be treated as such, and especially on their own land ?
Nobody can expect to treat somebody/anybody like S*** without reprisals, and You wonder why Palestine fight's back...

Correct me IF I am wrong, but isn't this topic about "Life In Occupied Palestine" and NOT about "any OTHER entity in the world" ?

What America is doing is (in my opinion) totally disgusting and wrong, killing innocent people with drones etc and there are various other atrocities in the world that are not caused/committed by Israel
I don't wonder about the motives of the Palestinians.  I'm well aware of them - unlike many here apparently.  And it only requires reading a little history and not sitting drooling in front of main stream media.  The world is REALLY going to be peeowed when Israel's neighbors attack in "righteous indignation" and get humiliated, including the loss of even more land.  Killing innocents with drones is evil.  Sending in large forces on the ground and killing even MORE innocents and the soldiers would be worse.  Perhaps you'd feel it was fairer if soldiers risked life and limb and some of them died?

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:34 PM

and then,

We are all quite lucky not to be born a Palestinian in the occupied territories, we are all so fortunate not to have parents and grandparents living under the oppressive regime of Israel.

If we have a medical emergencies, we are comforted we can get our loved ones to the hospitals without delay. If our loved ones need medical prescriptions, they will be filled and available and instantly accessible to us. If our mothers or fathers suffer an emergency in which food, clothing, and baby care are needed that these are as instantly available with money and goodwill.

We are fortunate we enjoy the freedoms that we do in that our children are safe and that there is no harassing roadblocks or checkpoints that can hold up our parents and siblings for several hours or days.

That we have instant access to stores, hospitals, doctors, etc. That is not true with the Palestinians under occupation.  

I truly wonder what your thoughts would be if YOUR parents were born and raised in Palestine and living under the occupation. What if you mother lived over there, what if your father lived over there, what if your siblings or children lived over there. I bet if you stepped into their shoes for just over a 24 hour period, you'd probably crack! :blink:

I bet the experience would be instant catharsis to your high-faluting religious views. There are no exceptions to the rules regarding human rights violations.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:00 PM

View PostB Jenkins, on 21 April 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

and then,

We are all quite lucky not to be born a Palestinian in the occupied territories, we are all so fortunate not to have parents and grandparents living under the oppressive regime of Israel.

If we have a medical emergencies, we are comforted we can get our loved ones to the hospitals without delay. If our loved ones need medical prescriptions, they will be filled and available and instantly accessible to us. If our mothers or fathers suffer an emergency in which food, clothing, and baby care are needed that these are as instantly available with money and goodwill.

We are fortunate we enjoy the freedoms that we do in that our children are safe and that there is no harassing roadblocks or checkpoints that can hold up our parents and siblings for several hours or days.

That we have instant access to stores, hospitals, doctors, etc. That is not true with the Palestinians under occupation.  

I truly wonder what your thoughts would be if YOUR parents were born and raised in Palestine and living under the occupation. What if you mother lived over there, what if your father lived over there, what if your siblings or children lived over there. I bet if you stepped into their shoes for just over a 24 hour period, you'd probably crack! :blink:

I bet the experience would be instant catharsis to your high-faluting religious views. There are no exceptions to the rules regarding human rights violations.
I have NEVER said that the Palestinians were all in the wrong.  I just refuse to count them as innocent victims in this conflict.  There are two sides to this story BJ.  Denial doesn't change that.  Even if Israel WERE all in the wrong (which they are NOT) that nation must be dealt with or the only end that will ever come of this conflict is a wider war.  When such enmity has existed between individual men or families throughout history, the conclusion comes with the death of one or the other.  This is what will happen in Palestine eventually, imo.  Not because I wish it to but because it is human nature.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:24 PM

View Postand then, on 21 April 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

I don't wonder about the motives of the Palestinians. I'm well aware of them - unlike many here apparently. And it only requires reading a little history and not sitting drooling in front of main stream media. The world is REALLY going to be peeowed when Israel's neighbors attack in "righteous indignation" and get humiliated, including the loss of even more land. Killing innocents with drones is evil. Sending in large forces on the ground and killing even MORE innocents and the soldiers would be worse. Perhaps you'd feel it was fairer if soldiers risked life and limb and some of them died?


What about the motive's of the Israel government ? are You well aware of those too, or just the Palestinian one's ? Bias, much ?

As I have stated before in this topic post #9,
"There is good and bad on both the Israeli and Palestinian side's, not one of them is perfect, same can be said for all other countries"

I dont know about You, But I do NOT sit in front of the TV "drooling in front of main stream media" most of what they say is a load of BS, they say what they want You to think, in most cases (in my opinion)

Its nice to know that You acknowledge that the Palestinian people are in fact losing land, land that is rightfully their's, that is what I make of Your statement "including the loss of even more land" which must mean You recognise that they are in fact losing land already...

How would  "Sending in large forces on the ground and killing even MORE innocents and the soldiers would be worse" how would that be worse ?  Because of the soldier's lives that would be lost in the battle ?  so killing INNOCENT people in the drones attack's is preferable to losing troops lives ?
IF troops were sent in then At least the people that is in the country would stand a fighting chance, and not just be walking down the road etc and suddenly get blown up from something that is circling above in the sky, sending drones in, is a cowards way of fighting, whichever way You cut it, and yes it is "Evil" especially doing so in countries such as pakistan, which is supposedly an allie

IF You care so much about Israel then why dont You go there and see thing's for Yourself, see what is really happening both in Israel AND Palestine, maybe then it will enable You ro see that there is indeed "two sides to every story"

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:22 PM

View Postand then, on 21 April 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

But to alleviate this evil in the world my guess is that you'd not be overly upset if Israel was successfully invaded and defeated by the err...rightful owners of that land? Call it whatever you like 3rd eye.  The problem with most here who so loudly decry the sins of Israel is that they do no such thing for any OTHER entity in the world doing the same or worse things with far less justification.  Nah, you're not anti Jew at all...
Seems to me he's anti-Israel, not anti-Jew.
You can be that you know - There's a tonne of anti-American Government but not anti-American people you know after all, and it's the same thing, disagreeing with the government and it's decisions while supporting the people. I suspect we're all anti-Palestinian government but pro-Palestinian people too for that matter, as we're not bloody psychopaths who can't empathise with people.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:24 PM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 21 April 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

What about the motive's of the Israel government ? are You well aware of those too, or just the Palestinian one's ? Bias, much ?

As I have stated before in this topic post #9,
"There is good and bad on both the Israeli and Palestinian side's, not one of them is perfect, same can be said for all other countries"

I dont know about You, But I do NOT sit in front of the TV "drooling in front of main stream media" most of what they say is a load of BS, they say what they want You to think, in most cases (in my opinion)

Its nice to know that You acknowledge that the Palestinian people are in fact losing land, land that is rightfully their's, that is what I make of Your statement "including the loss of even more land" which must mean You recognise that they are in fact losing land already...

How would  "Sending in large forces on the ground and killing even MORE innocents and the soldiers would be worse" how would that be worse ?  Because of the soldier's lives that would be lost in the battle ?  so killing INNOCENT people in the drones attack's is preferable to losing troops lives ?
IF troops were sent in then At least the people that is in the country would stand a fighting chance, and not just be walking down the road etc and suddenly get blown up from something that is circling above in the sky, sending drones in, is a cowards way of fighting, whichever way You cut it, and yes it is "Evil" especially doing so in countries such as pakistan, which is supposedly an allie

IF You care so much about Israel then why dont You go there and see thing's for Yourself, see what is really happening both in Israel AND Palestine, maybe then it will enable You ro see that there is indeed "two sides to every story"
No need for you to stress yourself out hating on me bud..... it won't change me, my opinions or the situation.  I'm just expressing my opinions here - you know?  Just as you are.  Don't worry, be happy - hakuna matata and all that :w00t:

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:25 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 21 April 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Seems to me he's anti-Israel, not anti-Jew.
You can be that you know - There's a tonne of anti-American Government but not anti-American people you know after all, and it's the same thing, disagreeing with the government and it's decisions while supporting the people. I suspect we're all anti-Palestinian government but pro-Palestinian people too for that matter, as we're not bloody psychopaths who can't empathise with people.
Possibly, but being anti "Zionist" is the new code for anti Semites.  No way to prove it and frankly I don't really care who he hates, I just dislike hypocrites.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:52 PM

View Postand then, on 21 April 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

No need for you to stress yourself out hating on me bud..... it won't change me, my opinions or the situation.  I'm just expressing my opinions here - you know?  Just as you are.  Don't worry, be happy - hakuna matata and all that :w00t:


Dont make me laugh.....  :rofl:  me ? stressing myself out hating on You....   LMAO :rofl:

For a start I have NOT, will NOT and do NOT stress myself out for anyone, least of all You !

AS for hating on you,    :rofl:  LMAO  I dont hate anybody

As the saying goes "A Leopard never changes its spots" so why would I try and change You, or Your opinion's ?  :wacko:

How about You actually ANSWER the question's or REPLY to what I have typed in my reply to You, and stop trying to dodge around the points I have bought up

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:55 PM

View Postand then, on 21 April 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Possibly, but being anti "Zionist" is the new code for anti Semites.  No way to prove it and frankly I don't really care who he hates, I just dislike hypocrites.


BS.......  There are even Jewish people that HATE Zionist's, so how do You work out that it is a new code for being an anti semite  ?

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:59 PM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 21 April 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

BS.......  There are even Jewish people that HATE Zionist's, so how do You work out that it is a new code for being an anti semite  ?
That sounds like someone saying "Go ahead and convince me!  I DARE YA!!  :w00t:   But seriously, it is common knowledge these days that many others who HAVE definitely engaged in anti semitic behavior have ratcheted down their public statements to say "I only hate ZIONISTS, not Jews.  So it isn't the person hood that bothers you, it's their having the right to live in their ancient homeland?  That about sum it up? :tu:

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:34 AM

View Postand then, on 21 April 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

That sounds like someone saying "Go ahead and convince me!  I DARE YA!!  :w00t:   But seriously, it is common knowledge these days that many others who HAVE definitely engaged in anti semitic behavior have ratcheted down their public statements to say "I only hate ZIONISTS, not Jews.  So it isn't the person hood that bothers you, it's their having the right to live in their ancient homeland?  That about sum it up? :tu:


It seems to me that You read whatever You want to read, or try to twist whatever a person says to suit Your own agenda, sound about right ?

Why dont You actually read what I said which is

"BS....... There are even Jewish people that HATE Zionist's, so how do You work out that it is a new code for being an anti semite ?  "

A reply to the actual question I asked in post #57 would suffice
Also a reply to the question's in the previous post's of mine, #52 and #56 would be good :tu:

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:46 AM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 22 April 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

It seems to me that You read whatever You want to read, or try to twist whatever a person says to suit Your own agenda, sound about right ?

Why dont You actually read what I said which is

"BS....... There are even Jewish people that HATE Zionist's, so how do You work out that it is a new code for being an anti semite ?  "

A reply to the actual question I asked in post #57 would suffice
Also a reply to the question's in the previous post's of mine, #52 and #56 would be good :tu:
Jack my point is that no matter what answer I give, it will not change your opinions of the "evils of Zionism"  I think maybe you'd agree on that point, maybe.  I just don't think that the Jews having a right to return to their ancestral home is an evil thing in and of itself.  The abuse they heap on poor Palestinians is wrong and they should be held accountable but what is happening in the world today with public opinion on Israel far exceeds just holding them accountable for theft of some land.  They are the focus of genuine hatred and many, including some on these forums I believe, would gladly see Israel destroyed and the Palestinians living on the land that Israel currently possesses. I do not accuse you of that.  The truth of Zionism is that it is an article of faith for many Christians though not all, that Israel has been reborn in their ancestral home, that this is a sign from the Bible that we are nearing the end of the current human political system of the world and that Israel will never be totally displaced from the land Jehovah gave them - not ever - again.  Those who do not accept that article of faith can only see current circumstances and are blind to the hatred between these two families of people that has gone on for millennia now.  It's not a sporting contest where one side cheers for a winner.  I fully realize the suffering and pain of BOTH sides in this conflict.  My problem is that I feel that MOST here only see the plight of the Palestinians and never look at the injustices done to the Jews.  Perhaps I'm wrong...but I trust my understanding of scripture and I expect to see Israel prosper in the land and her enemies to be laid lower yet.  And IF that is God's will then it WILL happen.  In spite of every weapon turned against them, it WILL happen.  If it does come out that way, will you reconsider your stance?  If I had to guess I'd say that you would not.

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