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#61    Mr Walker

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:41 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 25 November 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

Mr Walker sir,
you say "God says many things. "....have you actually heard him yourself or is this all hearsay? What would the "Modern professional psychiatrists" say about this exactly?
Yes; god and I have an ongoing relationship which includes many forms of communication to and fro. And modern psychiatry finds me "perfectly normal,  well adjusted and highly functional."

Professional people that I have encountered are not judgemental and several of them told me that, from their professional encounters, such experiences, including the manifestations of "miracles" are quite common. In the words of one, "such things  seem to be quite real, but inexplicable at the present time".

And of course some of the top medical professionals, in many fields, in Australia are also men and women of faith.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:55 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 25 November 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

Yes; god and I have an ongoing relationship which includes many forms of communication to and fro. And modern psychiatry finds me "perfectly normal,  well adjusted and highly functional."
i am pleased they find you normal, but why do they test you in the first place?

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:32 AM

The person that finds that mind of god will probably share the same ideals as him... that's how it usually happens, isn't it?

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:43 AM

I think it's a critical thinking flaw to believe that only one's own or shared experiences are valid. The fact that we haven't had a particular experiences does not invalidate the experiences of other. Nor does it mean that those who experiences are different must provide proof of the validity of their experiences, indeed some of us have no interest in obtaining the validation of strangers, we have friends & family we turn to, we study, we gather information, we research. For many of us, the experience itself a part of the validation, but just one part of it. I always consider the source/claimant. Adult? Of sound mind? Reasonably intelligent? Has at least a high school education or is and autodidact? Is able to employ critical thinking skills? Has some knowledge of the topic or subject? Resorting to name-calling or insults is not an argument or a rationale, it's a judgment, and when we begin to judge we lose our objectivity. When that happens, we are no longer in communication, and no helpful exchanges of information take place.

Edited by Beany, 26 November 2012 - 04:44 AM.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:19 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 25 November 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

i am pleased they find you normal, but why do they test you in the first place?

When i had symtoms of a heart problem I went to the top heart surgeons in Australia When i was visited by an angel who removed my teenage addiction to nicotine and then entered an ongoing relationship with a real and powerful god of course i first went to get my mental health assessed by the top experts in the field. Turns out i am one of the few certifiably sane members of  UM LOL. Basically they accpeted that what i expereinced were real paranormal  events. They said these were quite common in their experience as professionals, and that all the test results showed that i was "highly functioning and well integrated." (They dont define people as crazy insane etc these days but they do tell you if you have a clean mental bill of health which I did. I also had the best scans etc done to check my neurological health, and continue these every 5 years or so. That, also, is excellent.

I really already knew i was fine, because of the nature and "contextual integration" of my experiences A logical and educated person can apply a number of reality and logic checkers to every event in their life to establish their independent reality and objective existence, or lack thereof.

Beany puts it very well in his post above. I judge my own and others accounts by a number of criteria Eg was the subject wide awake? Were they completely sober and drug free? Are they mentally well and have no background of hallucinations etc?

Then one must examine the contextual evidences. Eg if one sees a very bright light appear at night does one also see all the surrounding landscape lit by that light, and can that be verified in the morning. It is significant if there are indpendent witnesses to the external aspects of such events. Internal aspects can be verified by their own "truth" eg if a voice tells you it will cure you of cancer and in the next week you go in for tests and find an advanced cancer completely disappeared you can know the voice had some validity, whatever its source. If it accurately predicts a future event  ditto If a force and voice acts to alter the physical reality of the world around you and that can be independently verified, then the force is real and physical. And so on.

tthere is alos the number and times  events occur. If you are told a hundred times where to find a car park in a busy city, and there is ALWAYS one there, then you can know something unusual is happening. If you often read minds are told where lost objects are or are given knowledge of events to come, then again the number and accuracy of the events counts as validation just as a repeated scientific experiment does. If twenty, thirty, or fifty times, you are told where to find money to meet your needs, and it is always there, again this is a physical demonstraion of a real force.

Edited by Mr Walker, 26 November 2012 - 09:32 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:40 PM

I guess the line between insanity and hearing a God, is what it is saying. If a god tells you to cause harm or kill, then you're insane.  If what it says is a benefit, then you are sane in the eyes of society.  Then again may a solder has gone off to war with a call from a god.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

Mr Walker, you have said this on another thread:
"i base my way of life on evidences about how is best for people to live.

Thus i do not smoke, drink, take drugs, eat much meat, and don't consume resources unnecessarily (i never fly by plane)"

and on here you say this "When i had symtoms of a heart problem I went to the top heart surgeons in Australia When i was visited by an angel who removed my teenage addiction to nicotine"

So what age was it you gave up smoking?

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:05 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 26 November 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

When i had symtoms of a heart problem I went to the top heart surgeons in Australia When i was visited by an angel who removed my teenage addiction to nicotine and then entered an ongoing relationship with a real and powerful god of course

i first went to get my mental health assessed by the top experts in the field. Turns out i am one of the few certifiably sane members of  UM LOL.
Hi Mr Walker,

Speaking of heart problem, amazing that you would say that because when a dear friend's aorta burst in the ER of a hospital and was immediately taken into surgery, an enigmatic being/entity (angel came to my mind instantly) approached and comforted me, and through telepathy, it said to me that everything will turn out all right. I was the one who drove and took my friend to the ER that late night, speaking of perfect timing, for my friend survived (miraculously) -- to cut a long story short. Just sharing.

While reading this thread, it looks like you're defending your god again, sir.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:14 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 26 November 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Mr Walker, you have said this on another thread:
"i base my way of life on evidences about how is best for people to live.

Thus i do not smoke, drink, take drugs, eat much meat, and don't consume resources unnecessarily (i never fly by plane)"

and on here you say this "When i had symtoms of a heart problem I went to the top heart surgeons in Australia When i was visited by an angel who removed my teenage addiction to nicotine"

So what age was it you gave up smoking?
22.
53 when i had a triple by pass.

Sorry if i confused you by omitting a full stop. My first full blown manifestion by god/an angel was at the age of 22. Until then i was an ethical, if hedonistic, secular humanist/atheist. After that i was compelled to come to an accomodation with a real, powerful and interventonist entity i call god. That relationship continues to this day. God warned me of my heart problem, and sent a physical angel who was observed by many others, to comfort me while i was awaiting surgery.

Edited by Mr Walker, 26 November 2012 - 09:32 PM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:24 PM

View Postbraveone2u, on 26 November 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Hi Mr Walker,

Speaking of heart problem, amazing that you would say that because when a dear friend's aorta burst in the ER of a hospital and was immediately taken into surgery, an enigmatic being/entity (angel came to my mind instantly) approached and comforted me, and through telepathy, it said to me that everything will turn out all right. I was the one who drove and took my friend to the ER that late night, speaking of perfect timing, for my friend survived (miraculously) -- to cut a long story short. Just sharing.

While reading this thread, it looks like you're defending your god again, sir.

Peace.

Thanks for sharing. This story is reasonably common and a number of people who underwent the same surgery in the same hospital have encountered similar angels as i did, when there. (As i sort of suggested,   psychiatrists hear similar stories quite often)  Again, when god saved the lives of my wife and myself in a major bushfire, I was interested to read, independently, of other peoples' similar encounters with god  or angels, and how he also helped them survive.

God doesnt need any defence or justification. :innocent:  What I attempt to do is explain to others, as factually and rationally as  I can, my encounters with god. Of course many people find this impossible, so i end up "defending' my self, but i dont see it that way. You dont have to defend a truth. It just is, and therefore is its own best defence.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:09 AM

Angels are very common to those who are injured.  I used to think a nurse was in the room with me.   And there wasn't.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:33 AM

Knowing the mind of God, begins with knowing yourself. I like this passage from the Gospel of Thomas. If those who lead you say to you: See the kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of heaven will precede you. If they say to you: It is in the sea, then the fish will precede you. But the kingdom is within you and it is with out you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known and you will know that you are sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty and you are poverty.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:53 AM

View PostDan671, on 27 November 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

Knowing the mind of God, begins with knowing yourself. I like this passage from the Gospel of Thomas. If those who lead you say to you: See the kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of heaven will precede you. If they say to you: It is in the sea, then the fish will precede you. But the kingdom is within you and it is with out you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known and you will know that you are sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty and you are poverty.

This is, for me, perhaps the greatest single and most self evident truth in the bible. It is Literally true, and it is perhaps the most important truth. heaven and hell  after death are belief based concepts but every hman being can experience the reality of heaven and hell in their daily life on earth, and each can choose which state they want to enter into, in their life.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 10:04 AM

View PostDan671, on 27 November 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

Knowing the mind of God, begins with knowing yourself. I like this passage from the Gospel of Thomas. If those who lead you say to you: See the kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of heaven will precede you. If they say to you: It is in the sea, then the fish will precede you. But the kingdom is within you and it is with out you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known and you will know that you are sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty and you are poverty.
So very very true.

Edited by Seeker79, 27 November 2012 - 10:04 AM.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:05 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 26 November 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

22.
53 when i had a triple by pass.

Sorry if i confused you by omitting a full stop. My first full blown manifestion by god/an angel was at the age of 22. Until then i was an ethical, if hedonistic, secular humanist/atheist. After that i was compelled to come to an accomodation with a real, powerful and interventonist entity i call god. That relationship continues to this day. God warned me of my heart problem, and sent a physical angel who was observed by many others, to comfort me while i was awaiting surgery.
I respect the way you "feel'. But I personally would give much more credit to the doctors and nurses who saved your life.
If god had existed he would not have put you in that position in the first place....and then he sends his angels in to save you?? This sounds like a typical story of someone trying to take the credit for being the saviour when in fact he was originally the instigator.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.




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