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#121    cladking

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 05:10 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 07 July 2013 - 03:35 AM, said:

And you know what you've got if you have 7 palms, right? Three and a half people.  :lol:


...A date for every night of the week?

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 12:47 AM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 July 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

To add, and to end this crap once and for all: the word yard comes from the proto-germanic gard (the g sounds like the English y), and that means stick and not meter.

If mete-yard translates as mete-stick then yardstick must translate as stick-stick.

The perimeter of the Great Pyramid is 1000 yards, exactly as designed.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 12:50 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 07 July 2013 - 03:03 AM, said:

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... such as the 750 feet on each side of the Great Pyramid..:


750 feet per side equals 1000 yards.

The perimeter of the Great Pyramid is 1000 yards, exactly as designed.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 01:00 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 06 July 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

A 17.68 inch short cubit is based on the available evidence of measuring rods from Ancient Egypt as described by Flinders Petrie in his book "Ancient Weights and Measures, Illustrated by the Egyptian Collection in University College, London" dated 1926. None of which are either 18 inches in length or date to the Old Kingdom, which makes your Wiki link meaningless.

The original 18 inch cubit was divided into 6 divisions of 3 inches, called Palms.

Lets analyze Petrie's wooden cubit rods using inductive metrology.

Cubit #6 totals 17.6 inches with the strange short palm.
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Cubit #8 - Orignal length unknown, it could have been a 18 inch cubit.
Median palm length gives a 17.92" cubit - 99.6% of 18 inches.
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Cubit #12 - Orignal length unknown, it could have been a 18 inch cubit.
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Here's a rod with 1 inch divisions.
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So much for wooden cubits.

The perimeter of the Great Pyramid is 1000 yards, exactly as designed.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 01:05 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 07 July 2013 - 02:49 AM, said:

The Egyptian cubit comes out to be 17.6 inches. The Hebrew cubit is 17.5 inches. The Old Babylonian cubit is 19.69 inches. The Greek cubit, 18.68 inches. These are basic facts, and well represented archaeologically and textually.



It's obvious they all derive from a common ancient source of 18 inches or half a yard.

"a Foot and a half" - Isaac Newton.

"In Egypt the scientific basis for the calculation of geodetic measures was the geographic foot or geographic cubit (1 cubit=1½ feet)." - Livio C. Stecchini

The perimeter of the Great Pyramid is 1000 yards, exactly as designed.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 01:24 AM

The natural division of 12.

The 36 inch Yard (or double-cubit) contained 12 divisions of 3 inches called Palms.

Today the 36 inch yard contains 3 divisions of 12 inches.

360 day ancient Year - 12 divisions of 30 day months. (the ancient calendar)

360° sky - 12 divisions of 30 degrees.

Ancient Day - 12 divisions called hours. Rotating 30° per hour.

The perimeter of the Great Pyramid is 1000 yards, exactly as designed.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:08 AM

View PostRayGday, on 22 July 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

The original 18 inch cubit was divided into 6 divisions of 3 inches, called Palms is non-existant, no matter how many times the claim is made.

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Fixed that for you. BTW "could have been" is not the same thing as "is".

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Edited by cormac mac airt, 22 July 2013 - 02:21 AM.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:50 AM

View PostRayGday, on 22 July 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

It's obvious they all derive from a common ancient source of 18 inches or half a yard.

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Obvious? How so? What exactly is this "common" source and what is your academic research determining it? The word "cubit" is somewhat generically used to refer to varying units of measure in the ancient Mediterranean world. This was not a commonality across all of these cultures. Nor do any of these units of measurement equate to a neat and tidy 18 inches, as my previous post demonstrated. This is simple to understand because our concepts of inch and yard did not exist in the ancient world.

To date, RayGday, you continue to guide yourself with anachronisms framed by your own personal assumptions and opinions. You have yet to offer any sound historical research or legitimate academic conclusions to prove your point. And as long as you continue along these lines, we will continue to have problems with your credibility.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:17 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 22 July 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

Obvious? How so? What exactly is this "common" source and what is your academic research determining it? The word "cubit" is somewhat generically used to refer to varying units of measure in the ancient Mediterranean world. This was not a commonality across all of these cultures. Nor do any of these units of measurement equate to a neat and tidy 18 inches, as my previous post demonstrated. This is simple to understand because our concepts of inch and yard did not exist in the ancient world.

To date, RayGday, you continue to guide yourself with anachronisms framed by your own personal assumptions and opinions. You have yet to offer any sound historical research or legitimate academic conclusions to prove your point. And as long as you continue along these lines, we will continue to have problems with your credibility.

It should also be noted that Petrie himself says, as seen in his book "Inductive Metrology":

Attached File  Petrie's words on the Cubit.jpg   65.14K   2 downloads

Of particular note there is where he says "We have already seen that the cubit varied from 20.42 to 20.83 inches" and further down on the next page (not in picture) says "...the mean of the cubits is 20.64 +/- .02 inches...".

This can, in no way, be misconstrued as a cubit measuring 18 inches.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 07:46 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 22 July 2013 - 03:17 AM, said:

Of particular note there is where he says "We have already seen that the cubit varied from 20.42 to 20.83 inches" and further down on the next page (not in picture) says "...the mean of the cubits is 20.64 +/- .02 inches...".

This can, in no way, be misconstrued as a cubit measuring 18 inches.

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Correct, no way can an 18 inch cubit be misconstrued as a 20.64 inch royal cubit.

The perimeter of the Great Pyramid is 1000 yards, exactly as designed.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 08:34 PM

View PostRayGday, on 22 July 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

Correct, no way can an 18 inch cubit be misconstrued as a 20.64 inch royal cubit.

Attempting to use Petries Inductive Metrology to validate an 18 inch cubit does not in fact do so. It's wishful thinking on your part, bordering on a lie.

BTW, Petrie repeatedly references a "short cubit" as being 24 digits long which is 17.6 inches.

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Edited by cormac mac airt, 22 July 2013 - 08:47 PM.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:00 PM

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 11:33 PM

Herodotus - The Histories - Book II

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149: 3) Thus these pyramids are a hundred fathoms high; and a hundred fathoms equal a furlong of six hundred feet, the fathom measuring six feet or four cubits, the foot four spans and the cubit six spans.


Six feet = four cubits of 18 inches.

The cubit has 6 spans of 3 inches.

The perimeter of the Great Pyramid is 1000 yards, exactly as designed.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 11:54 PM

View PostRayGday, on 22 July 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

Herodotus - The Histories - Book II




Six feet = four cubits of 18 inches.

The cubit has 6 spans of 3 inches.

Those modern English translations are indeed convenient. But do you honestly think Herodotus was writing about modern measures in feet or perhaps, in his own language, an ancient Greek form of measurement? For example, in ancient Greece parts of the body could be used to represent measurements, so in Herodotus' terms it's possible "foot" actually meant "foot" (pous), not the term we use today in measurements.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:18 AM

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149: 3) Thus these pyramids are a hundred fathoms high; and a hundred fathoms equal a furlong of six hundred feet, the fathom measuring six feet or four cubits, the foot four spans and the cubit six spans.

Obvious problems with Herodotus' claims:

1)  No pyramids are 600 feet (100 fathoms) high. The Great Pyramid which is the largest was some 481 feet to its point.

2) One hundred fathoms (600 feet) do not equal a furlong, which is actually 220 yards (660 feet).

I don't know where you're from RayGday, but here in Tennessee 600 feet is not the same thing as 660 feet.

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