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#16    Skep B

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 07:01 AM

just peoples thoughts experiences or opinions on lucid dreaming as a concept.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:34 PM

Had about 2-3 lucid dreams back to back this morning. Absolutely fascinating experiences and visuals.

Just a quick summary of core interesting experiences.

Looking up at the sky seeing clouds on fast forward. Also 3 layers of clouds that were also glistening.

Danced. Felt like I was actually dancing.

Heard different languages (middle eastern in origin) and music of the same likes that I had never heard before.

Saw a creature that was the body of a snake, head of a praying mantis and tail of a scorpion.

Got mugged in my dream. The mugging didn't turn out too well for me at first so redid that part of the dream without the big strong guy in it and came out of it on top.

It felt like I was under the influence of some retardant in some parts. Like the cloud part and later on, was falling out of a chair I was sitting on.

Made transition from being in my work to a totally different place after walking into another room.



The thing about lucid dreams is that the psychology behind it is rather mind blowing. Your brain can assume some reactions towards things happening and your senses are almost lifelike in imitation. All I know it is like another world you can control, and you can loosen control.

Edited by Orcseeker, 13 August 2013 - 03:59 PM.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 07:35 AM

View PostKazahel, on 11 August 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

I don't believe all dreams are like this though. Precognition dreams and shared dreams for example make me believe that there is more to dreams than just sorting out recent memories.

Anyway I'm not really sure what exactly the OP is asking.

"Precognition" and "shared dreams" are simply you interpreting more into dreams than there actually is. They "prove" nothing, except the very human impulse to want to see order in chaos.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:26 AM

View PostOdin11, on 10 August 2013 - 06:04 AM, said:

A few years ago I went through a long stretch of insomnia. To get through the night I would just lay in my bed and day dream, after a while I started to sleep again but I did not realized that I was sleeping and that I was lucid dreaming, I still thought that I was day dreaming. Now more nights then not my dreams are lucid. And while it can be cool to control my dreams they tend to be boring, they are limited by my imagination. One good thing about lucid dreaming is that I find it easier to remember my non-lucid dreams, and those are the ones that are crazy weird and fun, and I like them more. So I’m the opposite of most people, while they want to have lucid dreams, I want to have non-lucid dreams.

I am not sure i understand this. Lucid dreaming and particularly controlled or cereated lucid dreaming Is "limited" by your imagination?

Lucid dreaming is where you become consciously aware of your mind 's subconscious processing  of your thoughts and experiences. Unless you are a totally unimaginative person who never watches any tv or reads any books, lucid dreaming should allow you to experience ANYTHING.

As a young child i created lucid landscapes of  sapient animal characters  with  specialist clothing, tools, weapons and housing etc,dwarves  goblins flying horses etc.

As a  young teenager i moved on to flying dragons, planes, carpets, jousting, flying saucers, haunted houses and a whole universe of interconnected places i called, "The realms"

Then in later teenage years i moved into women of all sorts and forms, from aliens through to any human form that took my fancy LAter, as an adult, i didnt spend so much time lucid dreaming, as I had a lot of real life to live, but in my retirement I am re-working my lucid dreaming for a number of purposes, including seeing the world, exploring history, talking to dead relatives, as well as a mix of sexual and other fantasy, which keeps me entertained.

My point is this. How can you be limited or bored when you can construct any landscape you like, populate it with any creatures. you want and then become any character you desire, male female or alien?

You can even consciously begin to design the climate, topography, ecology, and sociology of the places you create.

I loved playing wow online for several years inmy late fifties, because it was the closest thing to inhabiting the worlds i created during  lucid dreaming as a teenager, and almost as realistic and interactive, but without the senses of smell, taste, touch and emotion, you can have in dreams.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:41 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 10 August 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

I don´t think so at all. Dreams are just random firing of synapses while the brain sorts out the recent memories and allocates them more permanent locations. Kind of like compacting your hard disk.

It is cute, but pure wishful thinking to imagine some deeper meaning in dreams.

I do grant that lucid dreaming would be great. If I could, I would do all things I love but don´t get enough of.... power skiiing, sex, that sort of thing.
Dreams ARE the subconscious sorting out, not just experiences but thoughts. The subconscious makes unusual connections which our conscious mind does not do, and expresses itself in specialised symbolic forms.

Hence our dreams come out in they way they do. They are alos connect to language and linguistic thought processing.

As you study your own dreams and connect them to your conscious thinking, you an connect the two (conscious and subconscious awarenesses) Thus you can identify all conscious thoughts in your dream symbologies and you can control your subcconscious and construct your own dreams. I almost always not only remember every  non lucid dream i have, but know why I have it, and how the symbology connects to my waking life. But also since i can remember i have had 95% lucid dreams where i am not only fully consious I am dreaming, but can take total control of the dream And more often than not I can create a dream consciously while awake then enter it as I fall asleep it just takes some knowledge and practice.

I experiment with things like what happens when you fall asleep within a dream and have a dream within a dream, and how to do thing s like teach others advance or basic flying techniques in a dream.

I can end any dream i want with a simple command , return home from anywhere with  another command, or enter into another stage of dreaming altogether. I can wake up, get up, go outside then go back to sleep and re-enter the dream I had when i woke up (although this is one of the hardest skills to master. It means you are both awake and asleep at the same time and sort of consciously sleep walking. You remain in your dream state, yet see the real world and can operate in it simultaneously.)

I learned this as a kid because we had an outside toilet about 20 yards from the house, and I got sick of having to stop my dreams while i went out to the loo and back. So i "held the dream at bay" with one part of my mind, and spent 10 or 15 minutes "awake" then allowed/directed the dream to re-emerge and take over my consciousness.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:05 AM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 10 August 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

can a person teach themselves to lucid dream? I wouldn't think so
Absolutely. I taught myself to do it as a  very young child. it requires a certian amount of self awareness, introspectiion and discipline /interest/motivation That was in the early 1950s, when no one knew much about lucid dreaming. Today you can learn many techniques online.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:22 AM

The best descrition of a true controlled lucid dream i can think of is this. Imagine a really advanced virtuality  world, which you can preprogramme before entering it.

Once in it, it is as real in every respect as the mundane world  You can smell taste touch feel etc but you KNOW you are in a virtual reality scenario, and that while you can do anything you can imagine, you cannot be hurt nor can your actions hurt anyone else  in any way.

Not only can you control everything with the power of thought or gesture alone, you  can do things like walk through walls, fly at will, be invulnerable etc. But you can also (if you chose) control all the other characters  You can also chose not to control them and let them run on their standard programming I used to do this  a lot as a teenager by  (as one example)enterng a star trek robin hood biggles ivanhoe etc reality with all the normal props and characters seen in the novel or on tv, and letting the story just run, but being an extra crew member knight  or whatever. In that way i never knew how the story would play out until it did.

And finally you can alter the scenery at will so that a jousting arena on earth can become something similar in outer space with no gravity. I created a dozen special realms which I entered through portals or gates. I could transit from a haunted house into a half submerged flying saucer the size of a football field, then enter a pocket universe only a few acres in size, go into the mind of an AI running a space ship pop over to pern and ride a dragon, then go back to arabia and do immelman rolls (which i learned form flying with biggles ) on a flying carpet etc etc.

A lot of reading, from the faraway tree and the wishing chair  at the age of two or so, through to jack vance and other SF authors  as a pre teen helped me with ideas.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:29 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 14 August 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

"Precognition" and "shared dreams" are simply you interpreting more into dreams than there actually is. They "prove" nothing, except the very human impulse to want to see order in chaos.
I am not sure about shared dreams. I have only had one confirmed shared dream in 60 years  despites spending a decade studying this and trying to create one) but precog dreams are absolutely real. I have had many, from some which saved my life by showing me dangers to come, to others which present dvd quality dreams of real life events which only ahppend days or weeks later.
The only difficulty is knowing WHICH dreams may be real precognition of events The best way to know is to keep a comprehensive dream journal dated and signed with details of every dream.

Then, when you see a news report on tv and it is exactly what you saw in a dream a few days earlier, or you read an account of an airliner crash and you can match it exactly to the notes from your dream of a month before (eg name of airline, weather conditions, place and time of crash, number of passengers  killed /surving)etc., you can be pretty sure it was true precog.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:34 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 14 August 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

"Precognition" and "shared dreams" are simply you interpreting more into dreams than there actually is. They "prove" nothing, except the very human impulse to want to see order in chaos.

Maybe to some and maybe in some cases but sometimes there is really no other way to look at them. Take for example this shared dream I had with my son. I wont ever forget this dream either and it's the one that made me believe shared dreaming is possible.

View PostKazahel, on 13 April 2007 - 04:17 AM, said:

I've told this before I think but I had a dream maybe a year or so ago where I was walking around my house in the early morning and it had been spray painted(like vandalized)with red spray paint. It was painted all over the walls and the doors and just everywhere and I was in shock because I didnt know I was dreaming and I was just thinking who would do that to my house. Anyway I was walking through the house just looking and I stopped in a certain room and was thinking how the red paint was done how a child would do. Like the drawings and the words were written by like a 4yr and I was just in shock kinda and was trying to work it out. Anyway then my son ran into me which made me go lucider and I asked him about the paint and he said that he had done it and that we were dreaming or something and he was just running around having fun painting everything. I dont remember much more after that but just feeling relieved that my house wasnt trashed and it all just went white and the dream ended.

Anyway in the morning I asked my son first(without speaking of my dream)what he had dreamt(which I always do).. and he told me about how he dreamt that he was running around the house painting everything with red spray paint. I asked what else happened and he said that I leant down(which I think is when he bumped into me)and that he kissed me on the nose and a fairy came out. And that was pretty much his dream.

So I told him I was glad we were dreaming.

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So after this experience and after the ambulance experience I cant help but believe they are possible.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:40 AM

I like my dreams; they are always either fun (like riding the back of a cobra) or restful (like riding a horse through tall grass).

I don't think they are just random firings of neurons as they do have pattern, and I can stop them when things I don't like happen.  At the same time I am sceptical of claims that they tell us anything about the future and so on.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:03 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 14 August 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

I am not sure i understand this. Lucid dreaming and particularly controlled or cereated lucid dreaming Is "limited" by your imagination?

Lucid dreaming is where you become consciously aware of your mind 's subconscious processing  of your thoughts and experiences. Unless you are a totally unimaginative person who never watches any tv or reads any books, lucid dreaming should allow you to experience ANYTHING.

As a young child i created lucid landscapes of  sapient animal characters  with  specialist clothing, tools, weapons and housing etc,dwarves  goblins flying horses etc.

As a  young teenager i moved on to flying dragons, planes, carpets, jousting, flying saucers, haunted houses and a whole universe of interconnected places i called, "The realms"

Then in later teenage years i moved into women of all sorts and forms, from aliens through to any human form that took my fancy LAter, as an adult, i didnt spend so much time lucid dreaming, as I had a lot of real life to live, but in my retirement I am re-working my lucid dreaming for a number of purposes, including seeing the world, exploring history, talking to dead relatives, as well as a mix of sexual and other fantasy, which keeps me entertained.

My point is this. How can you be limited or bored when you can construct any landscape you like, populate it with any creatures. you want and then become any character you desire, male female or alien?

You can even consciously begin to design the climate, topography, ecology, and sociology of the places you create.

I loved playing wow online for several years inmy late fifties, because it was the closest thing to inhabiting the worlds i created during  lucid dreaming as a teenager, and almost as realistic and interactive, but without the senses of smell, taste, touch and emotion, you can have in dreams.

I just meant that there are things our unconscious mind might dream up that our conscious mind would never think of in a thousand years.
When I lucid dream I mostly dream about the characters and world that I’m trying to write a book about. But my unconscious dreams are so bizarre and are things I would never think of.

Like the last one I had; I was working at a Kid Rock Concert and Kid rock was out in front of the gate playing before it started and no one knew it was him but me. Like dreams do it jumps to me back stage and I have to get to the other side to bring food. But instead of just going behind the stage I go outside and around the side were I have to get on a train and go up the side of a mountain. (I have no idea why but in my dream I know I have to race another person to get up the mountain, at this point of the dream it has nothing to do with Kid Rock). I miss the train and as I watch it go up the side of the mountain opens up a door and out steps a guy in a white turban and white loincloth he waves me over and shows me a small rickety track going up the inside of the mountain that I can use a cart on to catch up with the train. So I hop on it and it starts to speed up the track. Up ahead on the track is another cart with people in it that I bump into and send flying off the track into a bottomless pit. Now up ahead is a gigantic face and the track goes into its mouth but the mouth is closed and the track spits into a 100 different ones after the mouth with one going on and the others ending at different things that will kill me. As I get up to the face it is now small and I put my arm into its mouth to open it and my arm gets stuck and that’s when I woke up.  

So yeah, absolutely bizarre and something I would never think up while lucid dreaming.

Edited by Odin11, 16 August 2013 - 07:31 PM.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:35 AM

I don't remember enough of my dreams to say if they were lucid or not.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 01:18 AM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 10 August 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

can a person teach themselves to lucid dream? I wouldn't think so

Who told you that? In my city we have school for Lucid dreamers.
But you can practice on your own.

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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 24 August 2013 - 01:20 AM.

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