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Biden's tip for self-defense: Get a shotgun

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#31    OverSword

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:16 PM

View PostThanato, on 20 February 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Why not get some RPGs?
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:29 PM

I'm glad some people here have actually seen a shotgun in person. It slays me how these threads always have people talking about a shotgun like you pull the trigger and anything withinin a 180 degree arc in front of you dies. There are reasons a shotgun is preferable to other weapons as a home defense weapon:

1 - They're intimidating. It just has more psychological impact for someone to see you holding a rifle-sized weapon than a pistol-sized one (especially if you're looking down the bore of a 12 gauge and imagine the amount of lead that will come out when the trigger's pulled). Also, the sound of a pump shotgun chambering a shell in an otherwise quiet room is one of the most bowel-loosening sounds known to man.

2 - Unlike rifles, the chance of a stray shot from a shotgun going through your walls and across the street, through the neighbor's walls and killing him when he's in his living room is almost nonexistent. This is true even with a slug. You can cheat by using sabot loads, but those are for big game hunting just like the ammo most big rifles fire.

There may be other pros to the use of a shotgun as a home defense weapon, but the idea that you can close your eyes and pull the trigger and kill anyone else who happens to be in the same room with you is only one of them in the minds of those who get their ideas about shotguns from movies.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:29 PM

I think one important question to ask yourself is  Do you want the thug to live or die via your gun blast ? ( Or do you care ? )   It's always been my understanding that you want the thug dead in one shot.  Multiple shots pumped into one victim takes much more explaining and convincing to do for the authorities.  And if the thug lives,  it makes it far more easier for them to file a lawsuit.

So I would go with whatever I feel has the most firepower.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:34 PM

View Postaztek, on 20 February 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

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pistol is a lot more covinient, and easier to handle in tight spaces, like halways, where most shootings occur. try it, not to metion a soundwave from a shotgun, inside clodsed space will dissorient the s..t out of most, +huge muzzle falsh. half blinded, with loud ringing in your ears, will make you a perfect target, again try it,  oh, btw buck shot is a bad idea either, interior walls made from sheetrock, buckshot will go thru 2 walls easy, have done it myself, not once.   and yea, if i hear my window brake ot 2am, looking for my recoil pad will be last thing i would care about.

no, you can.t buy a tactical shotgun here, they are banned here., short barreled shotguns would be a bit easier to handle in confined space, but they are banned here as well.

i don't know where you got your info, but obviusly it is far from real world.

Shooting at the range is very different than shooting under high stress.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:46 PM

I think that the main advantage of the shotgun is psychological, as far as home invaders are involved. The homeowner feels more confident with a bigger gun, and the intruder has more intimitation when he learns there is a shotgun in the house.

I've also seen the inaccuracy of various pistols. If the pistol shooter is small, or old, or inexperinced, or twitchy, or just not very strong, then a mid range pistol is going to be hard for them to use with good accuracy. To hit an intruder, even at 20 feet, they will have to empty the clip. With a shotgun braced on the shoulder, aiming and hitting are a lot easier. I'd think that it would take much more training to be a good pistol gunman, and less so to be to the same accuracy using a shotgun.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:59 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 20 February 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

I think that the main advantage of the shotgun is psychological, as far as home invaders are involved. The homeowner feels more confident with a bigger gun, and the intruder has more intimitation when he learns there is a shotgun in the house.

I've also seen the inaccuracy of various pistols. If the pistol shooter is small, or old, or inexperinced, or twitchy, or just not very strong, then a mid range pistol is going to be hard for them to use with good accuracy. To hit an intruder, even at 20 feet, they will have to empty the clip. With a shotgun braced on the shoulder, aiming and hitting are a lot easier. I'd think that it would take much more training to be a good pistol gunman, and less so to be to the same accuracy using a shotgun.

Agreed. Also from an  effectiveness POV, a shotgun is superior. I've witnessed two people getting shot during fights with small caliber pistols and both times they kept coming. I simply cannot imagine someone doing the same being hit center mass with a load of buckshot. It's like being shot in the same spot several times.

Rifles are too powerful for point blank defense (say 10 feet). They're made to be effective at hundreds of yards. Both pistols and shotguns are designed for shorter ranges. Between the 2, a shotgun is more likely to put someone down without making a perfect shot and since a perfect shot isn't likely given the stress of the situation, I think it makes a more practical defense weapon.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:07 PM

It all depends on what you are used to, what grain bullet and whether it's a hollow point or not. I'm not fond of long guns therefore I don't practice with them a great deal. I would much rather have the .357 or .45.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:56 PM

View PostThanato, on 20 February 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

Shooting at the range is very different than shooting under high stress.

correct but not much relavant. shoting pistol is faster, and easyer, under stress as well. just ask those that had that happen to them,
i'd take pistol over shotgun,
shotgun over ak,
and any weapon over no weapon.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 20 February 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Who is "we"? Do you mean yourself?
my self included.

you are talking about americans, who believe in second amendment, and who fights to keep those rights, well, i'm one of them,

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:17 PM

oooh... Can we use an AA-12 ?



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:27 PM

View PostMichelle, on 20 February 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

It all depends on what you are used to, what grain bullet and whether it's a hollow point or not. I'm not fond of long guns therefore I don't practice with them a great deal. I would much rather have the .357 or .45.

I love my twin 45's,but now days i am waiting for the day i turn on the tv hearing some jackass saying crimson trace laser grips are dangerous.Gives the law abiding citizen protecting his home to much of an advantage.We must take action,these must be banned!

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:42 PM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 20 February 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

I love my twin 45's,but now days i am waiting for the day i turn on the tv hearing some jackass saying crimson trace laser grips are dangerous.Gives the law abiding citizen protecting his home to much of an advantage.We must take action,these must be banned!

I've been thinking seriously about getting laser grips. Might be a good anniversary present. :tu:


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:48 PM

View PostMichelle, on 20 February 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

I've been thinking seriously about getting laser grips. Might be a good anniversary present. :tu:

You will not be dissapointed!Well worth the cost :tu:

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:17 AM

View Postaztek, on 20 February 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

correct but not much relavant. shoting pistol is faster, and easyer, under stress as well. just ask those that had that happen to them,
i'd take pistol over shotgun,
shotgun over ak,
and any weapon over no weapon.

I would choose a pistol only as a secondary weapon never a primary weapon. A shotgun makes a good room clearing weapon and close range weapon.

An AK is ok, but I would only take a new one as the used ones are rather unreliable.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:25 AM

View Postsam12six, on 20 February 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Agreed. Also from an  effectiveness POV, a shotgun is superior. I've witnessed two people getting shot during fights with small caliber pistols and both times they kept coming. I simply cannot imagine someone doing the same being hit center mass with a load of buckshot. It's like being shot in the same spot several times.

Rifles are too powerful for point blank defense (say 10 feet). They're made to be effective at hundreds of yards. Both pistols and shotguns are designed for shorter ranges. Between the 2, a shotgun is more likely to put someone down without making a perfect shot and since a perfect shot isn't likely given the stress of the situation, I think it makes a more practical defense weapon.

Which, in any case, why the hell do you need an assault rifle in the home anyway for the purposes of defence? Unless you're intent on shooting anything that comes up the street, why the hell is it necessary?

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