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#1    fran123

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:29 PM

When you watch the news on television. or read the newspapers, most of the content is about conflict. No matter what or where the country is, all we hear about is death and destruction. If there are alien civisilisations, would they be wiling to have contact with beings from another planet if all they do is constantly murder and maim each other?  Do they maybe just see us as a bunch of savages, who would probably shoot first and ask questions later?  I'm sure there must be intelligent life somewhere out there but if you were a civilised peaceful species from another world, would you really want to be the one to make first contact with humanity? I know I wouldn't.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:32 PM

Easy answer. No


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:47 PM

We may be under scrutiny or maybe not,but if we are I guess the guys who are surveying us know that if they do come here they are in for a very rough ride,If I was Alien I would be heading in the other direction as fast as possible.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:48 PM

I seriously doubt it, I know i wouldn't But  I would be watching their TV equivialent  if for no other reason than to  learn about them


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:06 AM

Looks like most of us will agree that If E.T`s are watching us ,Like I think they are ,Will stay far away and just watch, Sorta Like Reality T.V. almost enough to make one Sick !
And E.T is way too smart to Get Sick !

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:33 AM

would you stop 2 families fighting on the streets ?  the answer is no ! we humans are egoist ,we would watch that fight and bet money on one of them and laugh,(maybe aliens do the same hahaha ) we humans are only thinking about ourselves .

View Postfran123, on 09 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

    I'm sure there must be intelligent life somewhere out there but if you were a civilised peaceful species from another world, would you really want to be the one to make first contact with humanity? I know I wouldn't.
off  course you wouldn't ,YOU  ARE A HUMAN .


and if i were an alien i would only make contact. if all the humans are united, and have 1 identity ''earthlings''.
we still call ourself ''Americans, Asians, Europeans, Chinese, name it .we are still divided , so who do i need to make contact with ? an american or an chinese ?  

i would say . let them fight , and the winners ll unite the world .we have contact with other peaceful species (using them),steal their technology,  after that ,we are rdy to go into space and have an identity .then we  fight for planets agains other species ,
and after we have won the battles agains the other species and have united all the species from our galaxy .. we ll just go to the next galaxy and do the same :D hjahahahaha
oi oi we are humans after all .. the only thing we are thinking about is having power above all others .


annihilation of earthlings thats the only way to bring peace to the galaxy hahaha ..


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:21 AM

Using their own history of technological development as a guide, extraterrestrials may foresee a time when we will be traveling in stellar space. Our violent nature could be very concerning to to them. Mightn't they want to begin making limited contact with us, encouraging us carefully in the direction of peacefulness?
They might accomplish this by showing themselves gradually, causing us to increasingly think of ourselves as one species and one planet; realizing that we are one among many in a peaceful, law-abiding, inhabited galaxy. Doing this would, seem to be in their own best interests. Failure to do so might allow  to turn up violently on their doorsteps some day.
The alternative of wiping us out preventatively, now, or when we begin to penetrate stellar space seems a far less civilized course. It would also be a  dreadful waste of a species (us) that shows a lot of promise, and is of great inherent value.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:13 AM

View Postbison, on 10 February 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:

Using their own history of technological development as a guide, extraterrestrials may foresee a time when we will be traveling in stellar space. Our violent nature could be very concerning to to them. Mightn't they want to begin making limited contact with us, encouraging us carefully in the direction of peacefulness?
They might accomplish this by showing themselves gradually, causing us to increasingly think of ourselves as one species and one planet; realizing that we are one among many in a peaceful, law-abiding, inhabited galaxy. Doing this would, seem to be in their own best interests. Failure to do so might allow  to turn up violently on their doorsteps some day.
The alternative of wiping us out preventatively, now, or when we begin to penetrate stellar space seems a far less civilized course. It would also be a  dreadful waste of a species (us) that shows a lot of promise, and is of great inherent value.
This is why they just might let us travel into our solar system,but not past that into Interstellar space.Maybe they will Zap us way out so we never know what happens to our explorers ! Sad IF that were to Happen.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:18 AM

don't give them ideas


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:34 AM

View Postfran123, on 09 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

When you watch the news on television. or read the newspapers, most of the content is about conflict. No matter what or where the country is, all we hear about is death and destruction. If there are alien civisilisations, would they be wiling to have contact with beings from another planet if all they do is constantly murder and maim each other?  Do they maybe just see us as a bunch of savages, who would probably shoot first and ask questions later?  I'm sure there must be intelligent life somewhere out there but if you were a civilised peaceful species from another world, would you really want to be the one to make first contact with humanity? I know I wouldn't.

I suppose that would depend heavily on their motivations. Malevolent aliens wouldn't care one way or another and in fact would see a divided enemy as easy prey. Benevolent aliens would likely want to end the conflict and promote peace. That only leaves the indifferent variety, which would probably rather stay hidden regardless.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:29 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 10 February 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

I suppose that would depend heavily on their motivations. Malevolent aliens wouldn't care one way or another and in fact would see a divided enemy as easy prey. Benevolent aliens would likely want to end the conflict and promote peace. That only leaves the indifferent variety, which would probably rather stay hidden regardless.
  So which ones are the U.F.O guys that some one in the world sees every day.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:46 AM

There could be many reasons why we havent been visited.

http://www.fermisparadox.com/


Space is really big!  Maybe intelligence is too scarce for contact to be possible.




There is no way to break the universal speed barrier,... faster than light travel is not possible?

No star gates, no wormholes, no shortcuts?

Edited by Hazzard, 10 February 2013 - 10:47 AM.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:18 PM

I think that any otherworldly being is simply too far away from us to establish contact. I also think that is for a reason by whatever force/power that created -our- universe. Maybe none of us (all cosmic beings/terra beings) aren't supposed to contact each other, which is why our blue dot is within the middle of nowhere and it appears that we are alone in our section of space.
And because we are Human, we'll never stop dreaming, wishing or wondering 'Are we alone', but perhaps at some point we will all have to consider that maybe we are -not- meant to obtain the answer to that question.

I personally do not believe it has anything to do with our behaviours on this planet. It's difficult to even assume on the behaviours of another species, especially if they are otherworldly. We can only attribute them the same traits and conscience to what we only know, which usually means that is how -we- would act. They could be just sitting and watching us, finding us humourous or so utterly dreadful that they can't help but to watch. Or they could absolutely not care at all. Either way you look at it, or think of otherworldly beings, those thoughts will always have human qualities, because that is who we are and that is all we know.

We see ourselves  'destructive' and 'war hungry' and we also consider those two things to be negative. Who is to say that otherworldly beings see this as just finding a way to survive and that is why they don't make contact. Maybe they already figured out that it's simply not meant to be.

There is other life out there, because it would be highly foolish to think otherwise. I just believe that the Big Out There is just way too huge and vast and as everything is slowly moving away from everything else, which makes me believe that the ability to make contact is too difficult of a hurdle to get over and that could very well be -the point- as to why were are in the location we are in. Our planet is so precise, so well 'put together' that there is plenty of evidence to say that it was intelligently created. We are protected from the Sun. We have water. We are able to sustain life. We have this perfect livable air that we breathe. We all know that Nature is not perfect, yet we have the only 'perfect' planet in our solar system. It's not down to a 'How' was all this possible or even 'When' did this possibility begin, but 'Why'. For me that is my number one wondering, 'Why this planet. Why this solar system. Why this section of space.'

Good thread, OP. :tu:

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 09 February 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

We may be under scrutiny or maybe not,but if we are I guess the guys who are surveying us know that if they do come here they are in for a very rough ride,If I was Alien I would be heading in the other direction as fast as possible.

If you assume "they" are watching us, it means by definition they are way more advanced then we. So a good comparison would be a couple of modern antropologists flying overhead and watching stone-age tribal warfare and cannibalism in the djungles of New Guinea. Would they get involved? Would they even want to?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

View PostHazzard, on 10 February 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

There is no way to break the universal speed barrier,... faster than light travel is not possible?

No star gates, no wormholes, no shortcuts?

Too bad, buddy. Just put on your tin-hat, get the popcorn and go back to your Star Treck episode.

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