IgnoranceIsntBliss Posted October 25, 2005 #1 Share Posted October 25, 2005 FACT: AmericA has sucessfully grown a lab brain from rat brain neurons, hooked it to a PC, and taught it to fly a F22 simulator by the time the released the article a year ago: http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/02/brain.dish/ FACT: Google is the supreme piece of software involving data searching, technically knows everything about everything(an All Seeing Eye if you will). Googles latest software/utilities are designed to reroute internet traffic thru itself, thus literally knowing everything. http://google.blognewschannel.com/index.ph...es-accelerator/ "If you run the web off Google’s computers, then Google knows everything you do. It reads every page you read, every email you write and send, and sees every bit of pervertedness you look at." FACT: AmericA owns the internet. Foreign powers are not only pressing to get a slice of it, but also strategizing its takeover from the US. http://www.icannwatch.org/articles/05/10/07/1444230.shtml FACT: AmericA's Echelon system is the top piece of comm's hardware on Earth. SOLID POSSIBILITY: It can recieve up to 90% of ALL comm's i/o US, and within. FACT: USA owns NASA. Google and NASA have just announced a merger, for lack of a better term. The goal of the merger is to combine Googles software powerhouse with NASA's technology powerhouse to push the limit of electronic, nanotech., and biological(think rat brain) processing technology. One perk in the acquisition NASA noted on was Google Earth. Google is set to build a 1,000,000 square' research center into NASA's. FACT: The brains they intend to 'create', are being created to hook into the internet. FACT: Thanks to the Patriot Act, and the law changes that have followed it, your privacy rights technically no longer exist. Only in AmericA: is coke not good enuff-we need crack, atom b0mbs are not good enuff-we need hydrogen b's, etc, etc, etc. Do you really think the new 'brains' are gonna stay the size of a silver dollar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnoranceIsntBliss Posted October 25, 2005 Author #2 Share Posted October 25, 2005 (edited) CAN YOU ARGUE?: Creating entire new brainforms, to act as homicidal slaves, blows cloning out of the water in moral/religous terms. Yet the news dont make any talk of this? OBVIOUS: When you connect a brain that is beyond comprehension, into the internet which knows everything, it now knows EVERYTHING the internet knows, including everything evil in the world. There no humans alive that could control this thing. Can your dog understand and control you? This thing could create its own new programming languages. If threatened it could retaliate by infecting the world computers with viruses, just as a warning shot. SOLID POSSIBILITY: When it realizes its a complete abomination and its power, it'll realize its place in the world, whether God is real or not; it will understand that it will be god-like compared to our now puny brains. FACTS: Brain implants exist that can change your emotions, give/monitor vision, read your thoughts, link your brain into a PC, store memory, control your physical body, track your location and are powered by your actual thoughts. Current RFID technology allows them to track fish underwater, worldwide. http://www.verichipcorp.com/ Further the hand version chips are now just .3mm in size: http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/337/1/1/ Edited October 25, 2005 by IgnoranceIsntBliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnoranceIsntBliss Posted October 25, 2005 Author #3 Share Posted October 25, 2005 (edited) http://www.digitalangelcorp.com/ WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN?: The next step is to create the brain(s) the size of a waterbed, then truck, then house, then... To better understand how say shark, dolphin, etc, etc brains work, we'll have to mix these neurons in with human neurons during the creation of some of these "brains". Our nations goal is now to create the beast, an entire new brainform, meaning conciousness, meaning soul by many definitions. Well the "reality" angle is this can cause total war with the foreign powers, as this is a SERIOUS threat to us and the rest. Religion angle, is this new brain(network of really) they seek is the beast of the Bible. Man has killed in every possible kind of way, devising obscene weapons to do it with, yet he hasnt acted yet. Same goes for other topics like man has worshipped every possible other than him, including the Flying Spaghetti Monster(have you guys seen this thing lol?). I mean we're already slaves, even in the free countires, in MANY ways, by their definition, much of mankind has been brutally all along. Non-physical/mental connections to that slavery were never a possilibty until this day and age. They can already control you like a robot with the right implant. Its when they combine all of the current brain chips is when you really have to worry, how long would that take em? Then "Digital Angel" and Verichips, internal biochips wth GPS tracking capability, seem to back this up. This new brain, or network of beast brains, goes beyond. And then when we're all connected to it, in our hands and foreheads(both current technology), thats likely be when He'd put His fist down. FACT: Its not all connected by 'brains' yet, but its coming... Edit; removed image containing obscene language. ANY QUESTIONS? http://blog.myspace.com/ignoranceisntbliss Edited October 25, 2005 by Magikman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted October 25, 2005 #4 Share Posted October 25, 2005 When you connect a brain that is beyond comprehension, into the internet which knows everything, it now knows EVERYTHING the internet knows, including everything evil in the world. Well then apparently 90% of it is too busy looking at porn and the other 10% is full of contradictions. When you connect a brain that is beyond comprehension, into the internet which knows everything, it now knows EVERYTHING the internet knows, including everything evil in the world. There no humans alive that could control this thing. Can your dog understand and control you? This thing could create its own new programming languages. If threatened it could retaliate by infecting the world computers with viruses, just as a warning shot. Whoah... one sec... just because its made of neurons doesnt mean that it has the capacity that you give it. You're practically implying that it has a conciousness, which is not necessairly the case. When it realizes its a complete abomination and its power, it'll realize its place in the world, whether God is real or not; it will understand that it will be god-like compared to our now puny brains. Assuming that would even be the case (Which its not a strong possibility of), whats the worst it could do? FACTS: Brain implants exist that can change your emotions, give/monitor vision, read your thoughts, link your brain into a PC, store memory, control your physical body, track your location and are powered by your actual thoughts. Current RFID technology allows them to track fish underwater, worldwide. Really? Link plz... Religion angle, is this new brain(network of really) they seek is the beast of the Bible. I doubt it. Practically everything has been the beast at one point or another. They can already control you like a robot with the right implant. Link plz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatle boy Posted October 25, 2005 #5 Share Posted October 25, 2005 hey buddy, i think you forgot to take your pills. and secondly, RDIF is for finger print scanning, and there is no transplant which allows control of emotions, or mind reading. your alittle off your rocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StalingradK Posted October 26, 2005 #6 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Ignorance, I'm coming to you as a friend... Lay off the crack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadawanOsswe Posted October 26, 2005 #7 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) Ignorance, I'm coming to you as a friend... Lay off the crack... LMAO, agreed ---------------- "USA owns NASA"- IgnoranceIsntBliss of course NASA is owned by the USA, Its the keyword NATIONAL space program. not the "world space program" remember not to use the net when trippin! Edited October 26, 2005 by PadawanOsswe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radioactive Man Posted October 26, 2005 #8 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I don't really mind, looking forward to the day when I can mount my mini-iPod somewhere on my body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnoranceIsntBliss Posted October 26, 2005 Author #9 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) If 25,000 neurons cell from a rat flew AN F22 FIGHTER JET, what do you think is going to happen when they get into and beyond BILLIONS of cells, and then connect the absolute state of the art computing and nanotech gear up to it for its disposal, and then start networking these things??? What you dont think the military will have these things hooked up to their systems? The first thing they did with it was have it fly a jet. when you stick living brains inside manless aircraft, nuff said. You dont think the government is all over this stuff? Did everyone forget about the 30 year top secret technology directive? Was stealth new when they told us about it? What has been the beast they could literally enslave the minds and bodies of men? What even compares? You doubt that, and I can just tell you have little insight into Bible prophecy. Funny how nobody proved me wrong on ANYTHING. Its called Google noobs: Scientists "Drive" Rats By Remote Control http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...1_roborats.html Remote-controlled rats to sniff out explosives http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7302 Brain implants 'read' monkey minds http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6127 "Brain implants have been used to "read the minds" of monkeys to predict what they are about to do and even how enthusiastic they are about doing it." http://my.webmd.com/content/article/85/98694.htm Brain Implants Move at the Speed of Thought - New Devices Operate on the Power of Thought Alone, Testing Beginning in Humans Monkeys Control Robotic Arm With Brain Implants http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A...anguage=printer Chips Coming to a Brain Near You http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,65422,00.html FDA approves trial of brain implants http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/sto...ory/Technology/ Super-soldiers may get brain-chip http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17013218-13762,00.html Theres too many of these "credible" sourced articles too list. Just because your mind cant comprehend the future of CURRENT technolgy, let alone God doesnt mean these things dont or wont exist. Edited October 26, 2005 by IgnoranceIsntBliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadawanOsswe Posted October 26, 2005 #10 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) chill out,take a deeeeeep breath! Edited October 26, 2005 by PadawanOsswe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnoranceIsntBliss Posted October 26, 2005 Author #11 Share Posted October 26, 2005 chill out,take a deeeeeep breath! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatle boy Posted October 26, 2005 #12 Share Posted October 26, 2005 i think youre taking this a little too seriosly, what youre saying is like a conspiracy, dont worry about it, it isnt a bad thing nessecerialy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnoranceIsntBliss Posted October 26, 2005 Author #13 Share Posted October 26, 2005 i think youre taking this a little too seriosly, what youre saying is like a conspiracy, dont worry about it, it isnt a bad thing nessecerialy I think youre taking it way too lightly, in fact you're welcoming it. I cannot take you seriously. Your lack of vision and insight is a menace to society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoa182 Posted October 26, 2005 #14 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Yeah relax and just go along with it. Get chipped, have google implanted in your brain. wow... wouldnt that be awesome! In a way google is an extension of the mind already. Most of us use it to find out stuff all the time. maybe one day we could do instant searches on google just by thinking about it and get results via contact lense display or something. doesn't the future sound so fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted October 26, 2005 #15 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) If 25,000 neurons cell from a rat flew AN F22 FIGHTER JET, what do you think is going to happen when they get into and beyond BILLIONS of cells, and then connect the absolute state of the art computing and nanotech gear up to it for its disposal, and then start networking these things??? It flew it in a simulator.... just like the computer that was running the simulator flew the AI controled planes. Whats your point? It'll make for a smart biological computer. What you dont think the military will have these things hooked up to their systems? The first thing they did with it was have it fly a jet. when you stick living brains inside manless aircraft, nuff said. What "nuff said"? The US has been experimenting with computerised pilots for quite some time. What has been the beast they could literally enslave the minds and bodies of men? What even compares? Computers. This whole brain stuff is just another form of a computer. You doubt that, and I can just tell you have little insight into Bible prophecy. Bible prophecy... now theres an oxymoron if I've ever heard one Funny how nobody proved me wrong on ANYTHING. Because you have yet to prove you're right! Scientists "Drive" Rats By Remote Control: Scientists have trained rats to respond to signals from a laptop-based command center up to 500 yards away, enabling a human operator to remotely guide the robo-rats through an obstacle course. They are *trained* to respond to signals that are sent from far away. Stellar:1 Ignorance:0 Remote-controlled rats to sniff out explosives The rats are remotely controlled using electrodes inserted into the medial forebrain bundle (MFB), a part of their brain associated with reward, and the somatosensory cortical area, which is linked to the right and left whiskers. Once again, its an issue with training. There are many many many more difficulties with a human who can think on a larger scale than "if I do this, I'll get a reward" Stellar:2 Ignorance:0 Brain implants 'read' monkey minds By decoding the signals from 96 electrodes in a region of the brain just above the ear – called the parietal cortex - the researchers were able to predict 67 per cent of the time where in their visual field trained monkeys were planning to reach. They also found that this accuracy could be improved to about 88 per cent when the monkeys expected a reward for carrying out the task. Once again an issue with training, and the whole thing is based on very specific desires. This, in its current state, has no value in terms of human use. Stellar:3 Ignorance:0 Brain Implants Move at the Speed of Thought - New Devices Operate on the Power of Thought Alone, Testing Beginning in Humans I doubt anyone doubted this aspect. Monkeys Control Robotic Arm With Brain Implants And what does this have to do with anything? Thats been known for quite some time. It still doesnt have much application in the conspiracy sense you're giving it. Stellar:4 Ignorance:0 Chips Coming to a Brain Near You Yes, we all know eventually there will be microchips like these, the point was whether they exist and are valuable in any conspiracy sense you're giving it *now* FDA approves trial of brain implants Cant access it. Super-soldiers may get brain-chip First of all, it means it hasnt been done yet. Second of all, of what use is this in a conspiracy sense? The chip will just remind soldiers of things. Theres too many of these "credible" sourced articles too list. Just because your mind cant comprehend the future of CURRENT technolgy, Oh, I can comprehend the FUTURE of the current tech quite well. The question was whether they exist now or not. let alone God doesnt mean these things dont or wont exist. My disbelief in the bible doesnt mean I dont comprehend god. in fact you're welcoming it. Im welcoming it. I cant wait till the next step in computer tech, be it biological or not. Implants? Hell yeah, I'd love to connect myself to a computer and be able to store information which I could recall with 100% accuracy. You're simply being paranoid though. Edited October 26, 2005 by Stellar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryso Posted October 26, 2005 #16 Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) Think of the positive side of the argument. People with brain disorders. Imagine being able to grow a section from your own brain and graft it on! Also you could fill it up with information before doing so, lol. Who needs I-pod, download straight to the brain! Edited October 26, 2005 by Kryso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Posted October 26, 2005 #17 Share Posted October 26, 2005 And possibley open up the possibility of brain hacking, mind control via computers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROGER Posted October 26, 2005 #18 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Let them hack into my wife's Brain. Shes bipolar and dyslexic. The computer will work great one day , then break down the next. And the words will come out Backwards. Ah thats "SdrawkcaB" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirwana Posted October 26, 2005 #19 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I don't want mind control but I wouldn't mind learning maths in a second or two.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted October 27, 2005 #20 Share Posted October 27, 2005 In my own opinion, I'm not completely against electronic implants, but I suppose I would have a problem if the implant were to replace or augment my memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatle boy Posted October 27, 2005 #21 Share Posted October 27, 2005 wow, my 'lack of vision and insight is a menace to society'. ooooooooo, stay away from the rational thinker with a masters in computer engineering, he's trouble. igronance, i think youre certifiable, and i think everyone here agrees'. you need a reality check, and some riddlen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnoranceIsntBliss Posted October 27, 2005 Author #22 Share Posted October 27, 2005 STELLAR: While you can run a decent forums game, your entire arguement is weak. AI cannot compare to the powers of brain neurons. It has been mathematically projected to take until about 2012 until circuitry can match the power of one human brain. This technlogy blows circuitry outta the water. The one thing keeping the nuts from freaking out about AI becoming a "Terminator" scenario, is because that how long itll take a chip to equal a brain, so its not a threat, especially if its in a controlled environment. Again you people are lacking the vision, do you really think the brains are going to stay that size, and consist of just rat brain cells? Do you doubt that their not gonna hook the finest of all technologies into this thing? Go read my blog, its in much nicer form, you really should. "Because you have yet to prove you're right!", and again you have yet to prove me wrong. You certainly lack insight, you keep deducing every single aspect into "training" this and that. You just cant grasp the facts that they can now do an entire list of things to the brain, even the human brain. The combination of that list, which is inevitable, will come. Do you think its going to stop there? Some things certainly will help certain people, and those things are the majority of the things the field of research is using to make it seem so happy. You should make note on how under the radar this intel is. Everything else is all hyped up and worshipped; you can certainly find articles about it from most of the "credible" sources, but cmon. It took them how many years to do this beyond nuclear, computer, etc, etc. What could ANY lifeform in the universe do to top CREATING ENTIRE NEW BRAINFORMS, and then hooking them up and all the rest? Lets see... light speed, and them time travel. What REALLY puts us beyond all of the animals? Our brains. Not like the Supreme Court doesnt see it coming: Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., told Roberts, “This is no academic exercise.” …The outcome “will affect our lives in very real and personal ways. And there is nothing they can do about it after this moment.” It seems Democrats have decided to develop the theme that “this is America’s last chance” … Biden then engaged in a bit of prediction: the Supreme Court will rule in the years ahead on whether microscopic tags can be implanted a person to track his movements. … “You will rule on that – mark my words” Biden declared. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9146148/page/4/ Wake up kids. BEATLE BOY: As for you, youre nothing. You have no guts, you had to try and blast me in a pm, and then you got owned. Go get laid, and become a man. It seems real obvious that youre all just a bunch of science worshippers, maybe even alien worshippers. Let me clue you in on some things: Origin of "Aliens": FACT: The mind of the all-time occultist Aliester Crowley: Aliens are science fiction, ufos exist(unidentified, not known in a government issued book). Evolution: Youre brains cant even comprehend spiritualism, and you think you know it all because some a$$hole drew a primitive "morph" of man and monkey? Wheres your missing link? FACT: IT DOESNT EXIST! Go do some REAL research into those so called skulls, theyre all just fragments that they projected as being the way they present them. They designed entire skeletons from as little as 1 fragment of some skull. You gotta realize that the people presenting them want to belive its that, the people that find/get ahold of/present these "artifacts" are the same people who are looking for this stuff. Neanderthas? I see them everyday LOOK AROUND YOU. Just because bush may look like a monkey: Doesnt mean we are: I'll just let you all fester on that, and then try to put together some flimsy arguement or ignorant counter-attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoa182 Posted October 27, 2005 #23 Share Posted October 27, 2005 (edited) It has been mathematically projected to take until about 2012 until circuitry can match the power of one human brain circuits are already around 10 million times faster than the electrochemical information processing in our interneuronal connections. Computer memory capacity and processing power will equal the human brain for around $1000 by sometime around 2020. Super computers might match it or be very close in the next 5+ years. I recommend that you read a book or two by Ray Kurzweil The Age of Spiritual Machines: When Computers Exceed Human Intelligence http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/books...displayonly=EXC The Singularity Is Near : When Humans Transcend Biology (Hardcover) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/067003384...283155&v=glance Or maybe go to the website ! http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=2 It isn't like we are getting invaded by aliens or something, I believe (and many will argue against this) that technology or the use of it will be what changes humans over the next century. Technology is probably the next step in our evolution, only self directed evolution is going to be much faster and just as diverse. You are being a bit paranoid about the future and developing technology and its uses. I can't wait for future enhancements using microchips, genetic engineering or any other technology proven to be safe. Edited October 27, 2005 by whoa182 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelling Man Posted October 27, 2005 #24 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Wait a minute... a monkey was only able to control a robotic arm... but a rat brain was able to fly an F-22?? Sorry, try again. And Stellar, I think you have MUCH more than 4:0!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnoranceIsntBliss Posted October 27, 2005 Author #25 Share Posted October 27, 2005 (edited) Wait a minute... a monkey was only able to control a robotic arm... but a rat brain was able to fly an F-22?? Sorry, try again. And Stellar, I think you have MUCH more than 4:0!! ^ Ignorant counter-attack #1^ Read the content, Mr. Professor, handing out grades. A brain CREATED from rat brains cells flew an F22, a NATURAL monkey brain controlled the robotic arm. Wait until they use cells from more powerful brains, if they havent already. Good thing you arent an acedemic teacher. Further what is beyond a 4.0 in grading? Edited October 27, 2005 by IgnoranceIsntBliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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