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#61    psyche101

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 04:58 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 16 January 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

The B-52 will be around 90 years old when it is finally retired from service. BTW, "Red Tails" is due for opening this Friday, January 20, and  I hope to bring Colonel Warren with me. He is doing just fine.


May I offer a "happy birthday" to the B-52, and deep respects to Colonel Warren. And I hope the upcoming event is favorable to yourself as well Sky. All the best.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:46 AM

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Can't wait to see it, Sky Posted Image

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I heard that! :tu:

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:50 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 16 January 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

May I offer a "happy birthday" to the B-52, and deep respects to Colonel Warren. And I hope the upcoming event is favorable to yourself as well Sky. All the best.


Thanks you!! :tu:

I hope "Red Tails" will be shown in Australia. I introduced Donteatus to Colonel Warren while I was in Corpus Christi, Texas, where I had my exhibition on public display, which was shown on the local news stations.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:06 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 16 January 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

I believe that is entirely possible, but we have seen earthly things that do not exist in out inventory, but are being considered and possibly tested before, such as the mystery airships of the 1800's. It's a mystery true, but we only have visual descriptions to work with, and they as we know can be quite shaky.There is also the possibility that the dimensions were not correctly estimated, making ordinary movements appear somewhat fantastic.

But what I find the strangest of all, and why I suspect black ops, is that there was no response. If it was a confirmed sighting, and unknown, why did we not send up reconnaissance?

Mystery Airships of the 1800s


I can understand how people can misidentify airships, and in fact, a blimp once passed behind my house one night and it was reported as a UFO the next day, but I knew that it was a blimp, which flew from Oakland to Sacramento because I was aware of the schedule for that flight.

In another case, one of our KC-10's was misidentifiied by a couple in Norhern California as a UFO, but with all of its formation lights on, it looks like a real UFO, so that sighting was explained as well. Not far from where I live, there was a case of a crop circle, so I went to the site and headed straight for the center and found what I was looking for, a bore hole. That was all it took for me to debunk that crop circle, which was only a half mile from the Junior College. Later, it was reveal that the circle was a fake.

The majority of UFO reports can be explained and I am suspicious of UFO reports until I have examined the reports in detail. What many people are unaware of, is that the majority of military UFO encounters are not reported, and I found that out in regards to my own sighting in Vietnam and after my trip from Andrews AFB.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:11 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 16 January 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

In any case I did offer the possibility if some type of experimental, perhaps hybridised blimp. Just like the ones that remains unexplained from the 1800's. If this was a large unexplained solid confirmed craft, the question remains as to why nobody was sent to investigate. If it was confirmed, it would have to be investigated, unless of course the object was known. It may not be the explanation, but I think it beats scratching ones head, and running with the all over explanation of out new gods - ET. A place to start. I feel calling ET is no more helpful then calling them stars. The discrepancies I can see are speed, which could be attributed to parallax error with a large object. However, I do not know the capabilities of a hybradised blimp.

It is interesting to note that Quintanilla felt this was plasma.
I don't think it was hybridised blimp either. IMHO, it was just misidentification: celestial objects seen by ground crews (while with binoculars it wasn't seen from tower), and, most likely, car headlights plus perimeter lights in haze seen by air crew. As for radar readings I think of EAS leaving (bit longer lasting) ionized trail in humid air.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:51 AM

View Post1963, on 15 January 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

Hi Karl!Perhaps the 'TRUTH' about UFOs monitoring nuclear weapon facilities is finally on it's way! http://knowelty.com/...s/873552/Cheers buddy.

Hey 1963, thanks for the link buddy...very interesting.  :tu:

View Postpsyche101, on 16 January 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

It is interesting to note that Quintanilla felt this was plasma.

Hey Psyche, interesting in as far as we can now easily discount plasma if Quintanilla used his usual methods to reach said conclusion.

We must remember how he dealt with Portage county. His conversation with one of the officers (witnesses) 'so tell me about this mirage you saw'  :w00t: he is not leading much with question is he ? or not obvious he had a preconceived conclusions to hand...  :P

at least he has moved away from satellites and venus being the favoured answer :)

I know nothing of this incident at Minot, what is the general consensus amongst the skeptics?


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 03:47 PM

View Postquillius, on 16 January 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Hey Psyche, interesting in as far as we can now easily discount plasma if Quintanilla used his usual methods to reach said conclusion.

We must remember how he dealt with Portage county. His conversation with one of the officers (witnesses) 'so tell me about this mirage you saw'  :w00t: he is not leading much with question is he ? or not obvious he had a preconceived conclusions to hand...  :P

at least he has moved away from satellites and venus being the favoured answer :)


Quillius, when it came to Major Hector Quintanilla, I don't think Dr Hynek was too impressed with his (or Sgt Moody's) methods of 'objective' investigation..


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 03:55 PM

View Postkarl 12, on 16 January 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

Quillius, when it came to Major Hector Quintanilla, I don't think Dr Hynek was too impressed with his (or Sgt Moody's) methods of 'objective' investigation..




Cheers.

Cheers Karl.

One other thing, in the case of Portage county, even when Quintanilla seem to accept that Venus and a satellite were not the correct answer, and he said he would change the status back to unknown, he chose to leave it as was (or possibly forgot-admin error)..this leads me to my thought, how many 'explained cases' that give us these wonderful % of unknown cases versus known are actually correct?

If the records show only 5% remain unexplained, then I agrue that this may be a false figure upon which to base discussion.


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 07:57 PM

[quote name='karl 12' timestamp='1271594230' post='3381049']
Very intriguing witness testimony from pilots and security guards involved in the Minot AFB B-52 incident of 1968 (see video)  - the unknown object was confirmed on radar and witnessed by several (separately located) military personnel including the crew of a B-52 as they passed overhead.

The pilot described the object as "a minimum of 200 feet in diameter and hundreds of feet long with a metallic cylinder attached to another section that was shaped like a crescent moon" and the radar operator on the video also makes some very interesting comments about how the object flew in formation along the same heading as the B-52 at about three o clock off their right wing.



[url=http://www.project1947.com/shg/minot/index.html]Link[/url]


Excellent video clip.  Very convincing.  Thanks

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:25 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 16 January 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

I can understand how people can misidentify airships, and in fact, a blimp once passed behind my house one night and it was reported as a UFO the next day, but I knew that it was a blimp, which flew from Oakland to Sacramento because I was aware of the schedule for that flight.

In another case, one of our KC-10's was misidentifiied by a couple in Norhern California as a UFO, but with all of its formation lights on, it looks like a real UFO, so that sighting was explained as well. Not far from where I live, there was a case of a crop circle, so I went to the site and headed straight for the center and found what I was looking for, a bore hole. That was all it took for me to debunk that crop circle, which was only a half mile from the Junior College. Later, it was reveal that the circle was a fake.

The majority of UFO reports can be explained and I am suspicious of UFO reports until I have examined the reports in detail. What many people are unaware of, is that the majority of military UFO encounters are not reported, and I found that out in regards to my own sighting in Vietnam and after my trip from Andrews AFB.


It certainly is an intriguing tale, the part that keeps sticking with me is that we did not respond. That seems very out of character if the operators were convinced that what they had in their sights was something unusual. Would not this basic protocol only be denied if the origin of the object in question was in fact identified?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:33 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 16 January 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

Thanks you!! :tu:

I hope "Red Tails" will be shown in Australia. I introduced Donteatus to Colonel Warren while I was in Corpus Christi, Texas, where I had my exhibition on public display, which was shown on the local news stations.


I sure hope they can make their way down-under as well, it would be quite a treat for we aussies. Otherwise we have Avalon next year, I might have to wait for that one. - LInk Avalon

Do you have any pictures of your exhibition that you could share? I would love to see your work.



For anyone and everyone interested, the RAF has some neat futuristic wallpapers with a space-bound RAF depicted here LINK

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:42 PM

View Postquillius, on 16 January 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Hey 1963, thanks for the link buddy...very interesting.  :tu:



Hey Psyche, interesting in as far as we can now easily discount plasma if Quintanilla used his usual methods to reach said conclusion.

We must remember how he dealt with Portage county. His conversation with one of the officers (witnesses) 'so tell me about this mirage you saw'  :w00t: he is not leading much with question is he ? or not obvious he had a preconceived conclusions to hand...  :P

at least he has moved away from satellites and venus being the favoured answer :)

I know nothing of this incident at Minot, what is the general consensus amongst the skeptics?


Hi Quillius

Indeed, Quintanilla does not have a good record of convincing explanations, but he seemed to go the extra mile on this one. Plasma was still quite an unknown, so he must have sought the answer to fit. I find that out of character for him, as such I find the end result somewhat puzzling. Usually he seemed to find an answer he was happy with and that would suffice, this time he seems to have done much more than that. Why this case I wonder?

Personally I think we have an interesting anomaly, but again, the thing is reported as huge, how could it enter our airspace, and our solar system completely undetected? And what sort of system would keep such a massive body of the ground, and maneuver it like that? Regardless of technology, any alien still has to deal with inertia here. As such, I am struggling with the idea of a very large structured craft that is highly maneuverable, picks up speed at an amazing pace, and appears and disappears at will. And even though we have a genuine report, we decided it was not worth investigating. I think jumping to ET is premature considering all this. It is strange, but our actions are every bit as strange as the report itself. I am still thinking black ops. Maybe some attempt at an airborne refueling station or something.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:48 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 16 January 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

I don't think it was hybridised blimp either. IMHO, it was just misidentification: celestial objects seen by ground crews (while with binoculars it wasn't seen from tower), and, most likely, car headlights plus perimeter lights in haze seen by air crew. As for radar readings I think of EAS leaving (bit longer lasting) ionized trail in humid air.


If we did have some sort of celestial event, surely there would be a record of it? I would think if it was EAS or similar, that some group should be aware of this, and be able to put 2 and 2 together, but in his case, it seems nobody has an alibi.

Also the pilot description of metallic cylinder attached to another section that was shaped like a crescent moon is hard to resolve with a natural event, and also that we simply did not respond to a radar return. The entire event seems well,, uneventful. A genuine confirmed massive UFO should not be.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:49 PM

View Postquillius, on 16 January 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Hey 1963, thanks for the link buddy...very interesting.  :tu:


You did well, I got

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Although I was only expecting more codswallop from Hastings and Salas.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:54 PM

View Postkarl 12, on 16 January 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

Quillius, when it came to Major Hector Quintanilla, I don't think Dr Hynek was too impressed with his (or Sgt Moody's) methods of 'objective' investigation..




Cheers.


I am thinking this may have had more to do with ego than misinformation. I do believe that much of the believer/skeptic situation was borne from those early years, and the differences of opinion between those in charge of this area of investigation. I feel this is also much to do with other cases like Roswell, whereby those from NYU and those stationed at the base were often at odds with each other. Had science adopted the investigation from day one, the outlook today may possibly have been quite different.

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