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#16    F3SS

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:04 PM

This must be obamas October surprise to himself.

View PostOverSword, on 05 October 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

The government only counts them if they are collecting unemployment benefits, so after 9 months (or whatever it is) and you're no longer collecting benefits, you don't count.  Great system isn't it?

Exactly. The homeless guy on the street doesn't count as unemployed anymore. Therefor it is quite obvious that the jobless numbers are much higher. If you are out of benefits and move into your moms basement you no longer count as unemployed.  The real rate is probably twice whatever they tell us.

View Postninjadude, on 05 October 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

Help wanted ads are generally fake.
??? The last thing I want to do is field bs phone calls while I'm busy running the business. If I don't need help I don't need that distraction. What would be the point?

View Postninjadude, on 05 October 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

There are zillions of people unemployed.
Wow. That says a lot for the administration. You should tell Biden to use that one.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:43 PM

View PostIs it for real, on 06 October 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

This must be obamas October surprise to himself.



Exactly. The homeless guy on the street doesn't count as unemployed anymore. Therefor it is quite obvious that the jobless numbers are much higher. If you are out of benefits and move into your moms basement you no longer count as unemployed.  The real rate is probably twice whatever they tell us.


The homeless guy on the street NEVER counted, but you may twist it as you like.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:10 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 06 October 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:



The homeless guy on the street NEVER counted, but you may twist it as you like.
Maybe at one time he did but if he has no job then that makes him jobless. I know how it works but unemployed is unemployed. So if the hobo isn't counted in the 7.8 then the 7.8 isn't entirely true.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:13 PM

View PostIs it for real, on 06 October 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

Maybe at one time he did but if he has no job then that makes him jobless. I know how it works but unemployed is unemployed. So if the hobo isn't counted in the 7.8 then the 7.8 isn't entirely true.

That means that all Republican administrations have lied to us too? Shocking!

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:20 PM

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That means that all Republican administrations have lied to us too? Shocking!

I was just making a technical point. Not looking for a blame game argument.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:21 PM

View PostIs it for real, on 06 October 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

I was just making a technical point. Not looking for a blame game argument.

You sure have an awkward way of doing that, especially with the "anymore" at the end of the sentence.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:22 PM

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You sure have an awkward way of doing that, especially with the "anymore" at the end of the sentence.
Rub your eyes. The word is argument.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:34 PM

CNN reported this article last night.
I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are deliberately manipulated.
http://money.cnn.com....html?hpt=hp_t2

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:41 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 06 October 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

CNN reported this article last night.
I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are deliberately manipulated.
http://money.cnn.com....html?hpt=hp_t2

I don't suspect that they were manipulated as in changed, that would be to obvious. But I can imagine that certain parts of the industry, interested in Obama winning, have hired two part timer instead of one full time employee to up the numbers last month.

The drastic increase in part time employment would speak for that.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:39 PM

The Dept of labor considers part-time jobs the same as full time jobs. A closer look at those 114,000 probably includes part-time seasonal labor. But also those entering the workforce for the first time. So you have more than 342,000 people leaving the workforce. These people are probably children (in their 20s & 30s) moving back home or wives not bringing in that second income. Putting more burden on those that are working. There are 12.1 million that receive benefits. It is this number that the unemployment rate is keyed off of. By doing the math, 114,000 only gives a rate change of .009% but 456,000 gives .03 (actually .037). I guess they felt that they'd be pushing it by rounding up.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

I would think to have the biggest jump in 30 years exactly when Obama needed it the most has got to be hard to swallow for even the most die hard Obama supporters.

Besides the number just not adding up there is another tell the BLS is lying;

http://www.contactom...arsigns0808.htm

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Now watch the Labor Secretary being questioned about the numbers:




Here is another interesting tidbit to go along with the blinking = liar;

http://blog.lib.umn....bama_blinks.php

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:50 PM

View PostSocio, on 06 October 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

I would think to have the biggest jump in 30 years exactly when Obama needed it the most has got to be hard to swallow for even the most die hard Obama supporters.

Besides the number just not adding up there is another tell the BLS is lying;

http://www.contactom...arsigns0808.htm





Now watch the Labor Secretary being questioned about the numbers:




Here is another interesting tidbit to go along with the blinking = liar;

http://blog.lib.umn....bama_blinks.php

Huh? Would that not go somewhere in the conspiracy section?

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:02 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 06 October 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

Huh? Would that not go somewhere in the conspiracy section?

It's not a conspiracy, he basically does it every month. They come out with numbers that make Obama look good, then go back later and revise them with the crappy numbers when nobody is paying attention anymore.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:16 PM

Another point to ponder.  The administration will claim that the Right is claiming that the Whitehouse is manipulating the numbers and that somehow vindicates their position, because the fact is is that they aren’t manipulating the numbers.  They are misleading the populace as to what the meaning of the numbers are.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:32 PM

View PostVein Capital, on 06 October 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

It's not a conspiracy, he basically does it every month. They come out with numbers that make Obama look good, then go back later and revise them with the crappy numbers when nobody is paying attention anymore.

In the last 6 months all revisions been upwards. I don't think they did that to make Obama look good.

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