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[dragon15066]

I have just created and posted a new page for the Temple Of Enki site Temple Site. This page deals with the validity or the deception used at the time the crucifixion was supposed to happen. Who, if anyone was crucified? Why is it written that Peter denied knowing the man in Roman custody when they asked him to confirm that the prisoner was Jesus? Why did Judas spend the last of his life in a Roman prison when he could have told the Romans what they wanted to know...was the man crucified really Jesus, or an elaborate scheme to save Jesus from the cross? They did not know what Jesus looked like, so when they were told "this is he" they arrested him, but who did they arrest? And as important, who went to the cross? This and more at my new page: Crucifixion Re-Visited

[and then]

dragon15066, on 14 July 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

I have just created and posted a new page for the Temple Of Enki site Temple Site. This page deals with the validity or the deception used at the time the crucifixion was supposed to happen. Who, if anyone was crucified? Why is it written that Peter denied knowing the man in Roman custody when they asked him to confirm that the prisoner was Jesus? Why did Judas spend the last of his life in a Roman prison when he could have told the Romans what they wanted to know...was the man crucified really Jesus, or an elaborate scheme to save Jesus from the cross? They did not know what Jesus looked like, so when they were told "this is he" they arrested him, but who did they arrest? And as important, who went to the cross? This and more at my new page: Crucifixion Re-Visited

Muslims deny that Jesus died on a cross.  They say it was Judas who died.  As a Christian I don't believe their version but since I wasn't there I have to go on faith.  Islam did not come on the scene for nearly 600 years after Christ was crucified and I wonder how Muslims can feel more sure of their version than the followers of Christ who wrote the scriptures?

Dragon 15066 I think you chose your name well.  You seem to be a true son of your father.  With all that is wrong with the world today rather than be an influence for something positive you write words meant to divide and foment hate toward one of the world's great religions.  I actually pity you.

Edited by and then, 14 July 2012 - 02:39 AM.

[Paracelse]

and then, on 14 July 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

Muslims deny that Jesus died on a cross.  They say it was Judas who died.  As a Christian I don't believe their version but since I wasn't there I have to go on faith.  Islam did not come on the scene for nearly 600 years after Christ was crucified and I wonder how Muslims can feel more sure of their version than the followers of Christ who wrote the scriptures?

Dragon 15066 I think you chose your name well.  You seem to be a true son of your father.  With all that is wrong with the world today rather than be an influence for something positive you write words meant to divide and foment hate toward one of the world's great religions.  I actually pity you.

Muslims claims Simon of Cyrene died on the cross, not Judas

[Left-Field]

dragon15066, on 14 July 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Why did Judas spend the last of his life in a Roman prison when he could have told the Romans what they wanted to know?

I have never heard any account that states this about Judas.

It is my understanding that he did, in fact, tell the Romans what they wanted to know. He told them where Jesus could be found, led the Romans to this location himself, and then identified Jesus by greeting Him with a kiss.

Not long afterwards, after realizing what he had done, Judas then hanged himself (as opposed to your statement that he spent the last of his life in a Roman prison).

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 14 July 2012 - 09:14 AM.

[Arbitran]

and then, on 14 July 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

Muslims deny that Jesus died on a cross.  They say it was Judas who died.  As a Christian I don't believe their version but since I wasn't there I have to go on faith.  Islam did not come on the scene for nearly 600 years after Christ was crucified and I wonder how Muslims can feel more sure of their version than the followers of Christ who wrote the scriptures?

Dragon 15066 I think you chose your name well.  You seem to be a true son of your father.  With all that is wrong with the world today rather than be an influence for something positive you write words meant to divide and foment hate toward one of the world's great religions.  I actually pity you.

Oh, boo-hoo. You don't like what he said, so therefore he's some sort of devil-spawn. Wow. How Christ-like of you.

[Arbitran]

Angel Left Wing, on 14 July 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

I have never heard any account that states this about Judas.

It is my understanding that he did, in fact, tell the Romans what they wanted to know. He told them where Jesus could be found, led the Romans to this location himself, and then identified Jesus by greeting Him with a kiss.

Not long afterwards, after realizing what he had done, Judas then hanged himself (as opposed to your statement that he spent the last of his life in a Roman prison).

Interesting... that's a rather dubious issue. One gospel says Judas hanged himself... another says he fell over in a field and his bowels fell out... Oh, and another tradition says he was run over by a chariot. Hmmm... I'm sensing a contradiction here.

[Left-Field]

Arbitran, on 14 July 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

Interesting... that's a rather dubious issue. One gospel says Judas hanged himself... another says he fell over in a field and his bowels fell out... Oh, and another tradition says he was run over by a chariot. Hmmm... I'm sensing a contradiction here.

I've never studied the Bible (yet), so I don't know if what you state above is true (although I'm willing to take your word for it for the sake of this conversation).

Nonetheless, the accounts you give above still don't match 'dragon15066's' statements that Judas didn't tell the Romans what they wanted to know and that he spent the last of his life in a Roman prison.

[Arbitran]

Angel Left Wing, on 14 July 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

I've never studied the Bible (yet), so I don't know if what you state above is true (although I'm willing to take your word for it for the sake of this conversation).

Nonetheless, the accounts you give above still don't match 'dragon15066's' statements that Judas didn't tell the Romans what they wanted to know and that he spent the last of his life in a Roman prison.

Oh, yes. I wasn't necessarily defending Dragon15066; I was simply clarifying the facts there.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Peter denied knowing Jesus to avoid sharing his fate. And frankly, given the mob's lust for blood at that point he was probably right too.
As for poor Judas, either hanging or sepuku it was still suicide, in The Greatest Story Ever Told Judas jumps into a fire, and that's a mortal sin in Christendom.

[lightly]

and then, on 14 July 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

  With all that is wrong with the world today rather than be an influence for something positive you write words meant to divide and foment hate toward one of the world's great religions.

Hi and then,   Just for the sake of friendly discussion , on a rainy Sunday afternoon,  I'm curious about something.
       As a Christian , which other religions do you consider great?   Christianity seems to put  great emphasis on the acceptance of Christ as a Sacrifice for sin , and,  something that seems to get overlooked often, as an intercessor on the sinner's behalf to the Father.  

   I'm puzzled  how a person holding those beliefs could consider any other religion "great"  or , in fact, of any value at all.    

   Do you believe that an adherent of any religion other than  Christianity can enter heaven?  

If not, then,  what's so great about them?

[lightly]

. . .  Well, maybe my questions are too personal,  If so, apologies and then.  
      To offer something more on topic :
http://law2.umkc.edu...susaccount.html

[Super-Fly]

lol,

not for me.

thanks,

[dragon15066]

Sorry everyone. I just found that the updates and new post e-mails was going to my spam folder.
I notice some defending the New Testement, as this is going straight to the heart of the Christian faith. However, there are questions that NEED to be answered. Why was the original sin never forgiven? The cross should have covered that "sin". Then we find thousands of years BEFORE the Old Testement, tablets. Then one has to understand that the Old Testament got these stories from those tablets being that they would tell a much shorter story to keep people in the dark. But it is issues like this one that we ALL can agree on... NONE of us were there, so we can only speculate. There are however,  massive amounts of contradictions in the Bible because they were attempting to put everything into one being. So Enlil wanted destruction of man while Ea saved them again so to put those opposing forces together, the bible has us believing that god "repented in his heart that he had made man" That sounds like a conflict within. If he is the creator, then he is shown to change his mind alot! This is the result of taking several gods and their conflict with each other and trying to merge them into one, which is why there are so many contradictions.

Here is my link to those contradictions and it will leave you wondering how this has gone on for thousands of years.
http://templeofenki....radictions.html

And for the questioning why Judas was never mentioned  in that contex is because they needed a fall guy. If Jesus' destiny was to be crucified, the actiones of Judas should be seen as the actions that HAD to occur and Judas simply helped with the fulfilment of his destiny. Also, there is a Book of Judas that is not part of the New Testement because it would be too risky to put it in  and raise ALOT of questions so the church simply filed it away, but I do believe thatyou can Google "Book of Judas" you will find it. Also with Mary Magdaline having her own book, she was quickly dismissed because the Apostles were jealous that she was his favorite and he told her of the Mysteries but not to the rest. And nowhere in the bible does it say she was a prostitute! This was a method of ruining her credibility but I also think the Book of Mary can also be found. There was only one motive... control the world and anything that may hurt that plan would be deleated from history.

[Time Spy]

dragon15066, on 19 July 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

Sorry everyone. I just found that the updates and new post e-mails was going to my spam folder.
I notice some defending the New Testement, as this is going straight to the heart of the Christian faith. However, there are questions that NEED to be answered. Why was the original sin never forgiven? The cross should have covered that "sin". Then we find thousands of years BEFORE the Old Testement, tablets. Then one has to understand that the Old Testament got these stories from those tablets being that they would tell a much shorter story to keep people in the dark. But it is issues like this one that we ALL can agree on... NONE of us were there, so we can only speculate. There are however,  massive amounts of contradictions in the Bible because they were attempting to put everything into one being. So Enlil wanted destruction of man while Ea saved them again so to put those opposing forces together, the bible has us believing that god "repented in his heart that he had made man" That sounds like a conflict within. If he is the creator, then he is shown to change his mind alot! This is the result of taking several gods and their conflict with each other and trying to merge them into one, which is why there are so many contradictions.

Here is my link to those contradictions and it will leave you wondering how this has gone on for thousands of years.
http://templeofenki....radictions.html

And for the questioning why Judas was never mentioned  in that contex is because they needed a fall guy. If Jesus' destiny was to be crucified, the actiones of Judas should be seen as the actions that HAD to occur and Judas simply helped with the fulfilment of his destiny. Also, there is a Book of Judas that is not part of the New Testement because it would be too risky to put it in  and raise ALOT of questions so the church simply filed it away, but I do believe thatyou can Google "Book of Judas" you will find it. Also with Mary Magdaline having her own book, she was quickly dismissed because the Apostles were jealous that she was his favorite and he told her of the Mysteries but not to the rest. And nowhere in the bible does it say she was a prostitute! This was a method of ruining her credibility but I also think the Book of Mary can also be found. There was only one motive... control the world and anything that may hurt that plan would be deleated from history.

Man, what the hell.   This is the most insane thread I have ever encountered.  The maker of life gave us free will to decide.  We screwed up genetics and the timeline.  I don't know what you think you're trying to proof, but you should get with history and at least read the Bible before assuming such incredible idiocaracy.  GOD wants everyone to move on to a better life after this planet, which was never meant to die.  That was our decision in the Garden while accepting 'the apple' in retrospect to what was meant to be.  This 'world' is NOT controlled be God, he allows us to do our own bidding, most of the time Satan has his way.  Good job helping to work his way, bonehead.

[Danten]

Ahh yes.  The Christ Illusion is upon again.  I was a Christian for many a years thanks to a born-again mom.  I was so blindly led to believe in all of what the bible has to say.  Except for the old testament which doesn't count for some reason.  Oh and Judaism isn't of God, eventhough Christ, himself was a Jew.  Bizarre-o world.  Anyways, that was my little rant.  This topic is great, I like the other potential deaths of Judas.  Personally, I think he hung himself only to become Dracula in Dracula 2000.