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#226    Earl.Of.Trumps

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 01:07 AM

Just as the first airplane ever made as not a B767 jumbo jet, I would have to assume this is not the first attempt at consttuction those people ever had so there shold be even earlier evidence of their existence.

But it is remarkable. The pillar with the face-dwon tree frog at the base is so beautiful, and it is all one piece.

It's going to take a long long time to get it all unearthed.
One has to wonder, why, oh why, would they spend so much time covering  it over.
And it seems so far that the burried the whole thing with deliberate attempt notto destroy anything

just WOW.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:03 AM

I still say how could hunters and gathers come out of the woods to build taulas so perfect, 10,000 years ago, when other similar taulas buildings around the world are dated much earlier and are still in the rough.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:29 AM

The statue does look like the second figure was a women giving birth, and the top figure was some kind of bird God.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:30 AM

View Postthe L, on 05 October 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

I hate to go offtopic again but you cant ignore Moderator. (I wish you all luck btw-nice that it was you. But somehow I remeber 2pac line when he say we ain't ready to see a black President...Are we ready to see fringe moderator?...But if one sceptic must be a moderator Im glad that was you since you become like brand on UM.)

I apologize for trolling thread with Illyrians and uploading 1/50 of what I have. I was just out of order there.... I adore Mongols. When you see them in right light then you realize that they were like civilization from another planet. Literaly.That history of humans isnt always history about humans at all. Also they are just cream of the crop of people of steppe. They just let us know wht happens centuries before. Mongols were 500 years after the Huns,who lived 500 years after Xiangnu, who lived 100 years after Scythians....There was not much diffrence in way of life from Xiangnu and Mongol except different armour.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:32 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 06 October 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:

The statue does look like the second figure was a women giving birth, and the top figure was some kind of bird God.

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To me the bottom figure looks like someone holding a pot, but you're interpretation is as good as mine. The big problem with Göbekli Tepe is, we cannot be sure. We don't even know anything substantial about the people who created and used the site, much less anything about the deities they worshipped and the iconography they employed to that end.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:36 AM

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 06 October 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

Just as the first airplane ever made as not a B767 jumbo jet, I would have to assume this is not the first attempt at consttuction those people ever had so there shold be even earlier evidence of their existence.

But it is remarkable. The pillar with the face-dwon tree frog at the base is so beautiful, and it is all one piece.

It's going to take a long long time to get it all unearthed.
One has to wonder, why, oh why, would they spend so much time covering  it over.
And it seems so far that the burried the whole thing with deliberate attempt notto destroy anything

just WOW.
I love that dig site.

See the bolded portion. What we see at the site today represents Göbekli Tepe as it was in its very last stage of existence, before it was buried and abandoned. In point of fact, excavations there have revealed levels of activity stretching back more than a millennium before its last stage, but unfortunately very little has yet been found to help us to understand who those people were, why they put so much effort into the site, and what their belief system was.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:41 AM

Though i don't believe it was a temple,probably a hunters hall.Imagine a bunch of burly and expert hunters roaming the halls and being venerated by the surrounding populace.Halls of Artemis(the venerated hunters) can explain why it was buried.It may have been a structure around which a violent culture was venerated and maybe the people decided to bury it to abolish such a culture.Can creamation explain lack of Human remains?.Or maybe a final purification of the site by removing all human remains before burying it?


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:47 AM

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 06 October 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

Just as the first airplane ever made as not a B767 jumbo jet, I would have to assume this is not the first attempt at consttuction those people ever had so there shold be even earlier evidence of their existence.

But it is remarkable. The pillar with the face-dwon tree frog at the base is so beautiful, and it is all one piece.

It's going to take a long long time to get it all unearthed.
One has to wonder, why, oh why, would they spend so much time covering  it over.
And it seems so far that the burried the whole thing with deliberate attempt notto destroy anything

just WOW.
I love that dig site.

Before the kids started bickering about something off-topic, there was a thread (still active, but hmm..) that might give an explanation:

http://www.unexplain...15#entry4462937

And read onwards.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:22 AM

There had to be a gradual development of this form of architecture and it could not have been a onetime process,saying the site was active for a large amount of time when structures were added sucessively is not enough since the required techniques no matter how simple they seem to us had to evolve to give rise to such structures.Hunter gatheres randomly coming together and building this structure and then learning agriculture to build this structure is the most stupid proposition in my books.Like I said this was probably a cross cultural hunters hall were hunters from different villages etc were venerated and after certain 'unknown events' (could be fights lack of diplomacy etc) this cultural symbol was buried to probably abolish a major cultural practice.
Other theory i have is that these structures can also be offereings to Gods (the palaces for gods) and they were built along with animal reliefs and buried as a home for the Gods.Even in this scenario the people that built these structures had to be relatively well off or settled to perform such a monumental task.And this logic can also explain why there is total absence of signs of residents.

The temple hypothesis is to only to bolster the view that this was a one off structure that marked transition from wild nomadic hunter gatherers to settled down agriculturists and to deny that there could have been an interconnected civilization/culture that was existing since quite a long time inorder to indulge in constructing this structure.Logic says that primary structures built by prehistoric peoples being the first signs of a settled culture/populace would not have survived the test of time as they would have been primitive and frail in nature probably being built out of Mud,clay,wood,foliage etc..Just to maintain the mainstream view of historical chronology of advent of civilization 'Gobekli Tepe' Complex has been ridiculously suggested to mark the transition of nomadic hunter gatherers to a settled agricultural culture and has been called a temple to explain that only relegious motivations could have caused the nomadic hunter gatherers to come together and build this structure and setlle down.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:15 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 06 October 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:

The statue does look like the second figure was a women giving birth, and the top figure was some kind of bird God.


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Yep, a bird god.

Well, a vulture maybe?

They show up all over ancient Anatolia.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:19 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 05 October 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

Could Gobekli Tepe have been birthing centers? Eighteenth picture down shows a human baby comming out of a large humanoid figure.

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I am not going to post over 6 threads about the same topic, so I will copy Ove's post here:

View PostOve, on 06 October 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

Is it so that the sculptures are pregnant goddesses with their hands on the belly as a sign of their pregnancy ?

Is it so that the remains of the dead, where brought to Göbekli Tepe ("Potbelly Hill") to be reborn by the great Anatolian goddesses ?

Did they believe their dead could be reborn by their pregnant women ?

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A death/rebirth cult?

But what is the 'vulture' (or bird of prey) doing on top of the totem pole?


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:34 AM

Gobekli Tepe does appear to be a bird cult, could the temples be some kind of baby sacrificing centers to the bird gods?

Edited by docyabut2, 06 October 2012 - 10:36 AM.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:34 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 06 October 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

A death/rebirth cult?

But what is the 'vulture' (or bird of prey) doing on top of the totem pole?


I don't see any vulture on top of this totem pole ?

Vultures are part in so-called sky burial



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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:37 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 05 October 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

Could Gobekli Tepe have been birthing centers?
A rebirth center

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 12:34 PM

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"The image above shows an impression of a room called the 'vulture shrine' in the town of Çatal Hüyük, a fascinating site still being excavated at Anatolia, Turkey. (See also William J. Gilmore-Lehne's Study of Çatal Hüyük). Çatal Hüyük culture dates back to 6,500 BC (a long time ago to be sure) and yet these people were (perhaps) surprisingly sophisticated. The vulture image appears to represent for them a god-form, responsible for removing the head (ie the soul?) of the deceased, as can be seen in the picture above. They may have practised 'sky-burials' (where corpses are left to the birds to eat) or the imagery may have been entirely metaphorical, or both. There is some evidence to suggest that over time as this culture developed the bird image evolved into that of a 'vulture-goddess'. But most importantly one of the murals from Çatal Hüyük apparently shows a human being dressed in a vulture skin.
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