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#31    Himawari69

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:32 AM

View PostGlorfindel, on 22 February 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:



Like I said before, your subcouncious influences everything, if youre expecting fear, then your subcouncious is going to give you a reason to be scared, hence the creation of the hands and growling. You have the power to make anything you don't like disappear instantly while in the OBE state (at least with practice you can). As far as moving in the planes, what you are experiencing is normal. The first time I counciously exited the body, I stood in my back yard and tryed flying. I was jumping and falling back down and it was like moving through water or syrup as you described. The secret is to move with your mind, I simply thought about flying and kept the intent in my mind and, Voila! Started floating up. Even today, sometimes if I'm flying I'll briefly lose concentration and start plummeting towards the Earth. Trying to move like youre in physical reality is what causes the feeling that you're moving through something thick and makes it much more difficult. Like anything, practice makes perfect so hopefully you can take this advice and keep trying! You've already gotten past the hardest part if you've made the exit before.
thanks, your explanation about the growling and hands really helped, I'll try not to give in to fear because right now this is my biggest obstacle. I have trouble controlling myself when I'm out so ill try what you said and think about walking normally and not just float awkwardly around my floor. One thing bothers me tho, one particular night I woke up paralyzed and tried to clench my hands because I was in no mood to do an obe, so then I felt a body grab my foot and scratch it, I got up very angry that my precious sleep was disturbed and said" you better apologize cause that hurt! " I was wide awake and sitting up and I felt a hand gently rub my foot as if to say I'm sorry. I swear I was not dreaming, I remember thinking, that's right, and I Went back to sleep, I also felt a hand caressing my leg and hair, is this just my imagination?? It's so real and I know how crazy I sound right now. I even had a vivid dream that I got out of my body and I was playing tug of war over my sheets with something invisible. I have been told it might be an astral entity but I'm confused,enyway I'm not going to let this get in the way of my obe experiences. I'll have to work on getting over my fear, I'm am having progress already since I had the guts to yell at it to apologize


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:06 AM

View PostGlorfindel, on 22 February 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

I'm not gonna comment on your personal beliefs on the matter, but the only difference between "astral travel" and "lucid dreaming" is the method used to get there. In fact with "phasing" methods you would see that councious exit of the body is rather unneccesary after years of practicing. 100% councious in a dream, or 100% councious after leaving the body is very much the same state of counciousness. Im not gonna comment on the supernatural view you have of it, because I really don't know for sure (and neither do you), but I will say that your description of what can be experienced is accurate. Another thing I noticed while in the OBE state, is the feeling of physical sensations or emotional ones, is very intense and feels like your directly experiencing the "essence" of happiness for example, unhindered by the physical bodies/brain's interpretation of it. Kinda hard to describe but you can for sure experience tactile sensations you otherwise couldn't during normal waking counciousness.

I know what you mean about "phasing". That is how I've always astral travelled, even as a child. I don't remember any practicing. When it's time to travel... Poof...I am already there! As quick as a thought.  I would really like to experience what many others do when they can see their limbs leaving their bodies, then floating upwards. But, I have often felt myself returning to by body. Sometimes with such force that it literally knocks the wind out of me. No pain though, but that is when I always feel the vibrations. My humorous thought about this, is that it's as though my spirit waits till the very last second before I have to get up to go to work, then rushes home!

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:45 PM

To the OP.

I suggest talking with a few people here that will give you step by step instructions on how to attempt this. Go at it honestly, and not with a negative attitude. Do not just give it a few tries, really put time into it. See what happens, and learn about what it may or may not be.

I did just that, but with my rotating schedule, I could not give it a true chance. I can say, I had things happen that normally do not when I lay down in bed. I plan on trying it if and when I get a stable sleep pattern going.

And I am known as one of the biggest " skeptics " here.

Difference with me, I am willing to attempt things for myself, and draw conclusions from true experiences.

" OBE's " in my opinion are " real " in the sense that something is happening to the people claiming it. ( most are out for attention, but not all ) It could be a hypnotic state, and in the mind. I can only say, I was at the least, having success at a sort of hypnotic state, and it was relaxing.

Our minds can, and will do amazing things, give some of them a shot before you just go off on people.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:46 PM

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

ive already tried to have an obe i worked at it fr a couple weeks. i was an experienced lucid dreamer at the time and was really hoping there was more to the story than a bunch of online fairytales but there isnt.


i think some people may be mistaking lucid dreams as ap

i have tried the techniques from online myself and besides a few sensations nothing happens.

i even managed to fall asleep while conscious, felt my body paralyze and the heavy pressure on the chest but you do not split from your body.


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:55 PM

we have the people who say ap is nothing more than a dream and that the places they visit are only a representation of what the mind thinks would be there, that sunds more plausable than the people who claim to fly around the  world travel to other dimensions and talk with the spirit guide.

are these people delusional ? i think so. they never talk about what the spirit guide looks likhow he communicates how u know its there etc ... every description is vague at best and you would think those who have just experienced somethibg that profound would want to explain themselves a little better about what they are seeing, but they never do.

i would be writing about evetything down to the smallest detail in order to sound credible and get the information out.

i think the one poster got it right when he said asking for proof is pointless, those who say they can ap always have an excse as to why they cant prove it or why they dont need to.

ill continue to write off ap as fantasy story telling until im given a reason to think otherwise


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Posted 03 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

I think these kinds experiences, where our consciousness seems to expand so that it spills outside of our bodies, are a pretty common human experience. What varies, and maybe where the controversy lays, are explanations and understandings of the how and why of it. FYI, years ago I read a book about a clinical study of Swami Rama that was conducted over a number of months by the Menninger Institute. If I'm remembering correctly, the swami demonstrated the ability to control the bodies autonomous systems, could control his heart beat, could make his blood stop flowing from a wound, could close the wound and heal the skin, etc. Apparently the swami was able to do a lot of things that current scientific knowledge tells us is impossible.

There is also a book about the same kind of study conducted by the Memminger Institute with a Native American holy man that reached pretty much the same conclusions; I don't remember the name of the holy man, however. Rolling Thunder, maybe. Anyhoo, if it's possible to find a copy of either of these books, they're worth reading, simply because they introduce the possibility that consciousness may play a far greater role in our lives than many people are willing to consider, and CAN extend outside our bodies. It's always good to remember that our unique perceptions of reality may not reflect what actually is, and that the world/reality is not limited to only that which we, as individuals, have experienced.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:22 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 03 March 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

ive already tried to have an obe i worked at it fr a couple weeks.

Look out, he's a veteran.

Edited by _Only, 03 March 2013 - 07:23 PM.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:33 PM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 03 March 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

we have the people who say ap is nothing more than a dream and that the places they visit are only a representation of what the mind thinks would be there, that sunds more plausable than the people who claim to fly around the  world travel to other dimensions and talk with the spirit guide.

are these people delusional ? i think so. they never talk about what the spirit guide looks likhow he communicates how u know its there etc ... every description is vague at best and you would think those who have just experienced somethibg that profound would want to explain themselves a little better about what they are seeing, but they never do.

i would be writing about evetything down to the smallest detail in order to sound credible and get the information out.

i think the one poster got it right when he said asking for proof is pointless, those who say they can ap always have an excse as to why they cant prove it or why they dont need to.

ill continue to write off ap as fantasy story telling until im given a reason to think otherwise

I've always found OBE to be a fascinating subject.  Here's an interesting article about several OBE experiments done in controlled environments:

http://cref.tripod.c...oberesearch.htm

I wish you best of luck in your quest! :)


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 03:53 AM

View PostNocturnalWatcher, on 18 February 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

I put this in the wrong section.

Supposed to be dreams ans consciousness



Oh and if they don't want to prove it they are obviously lying to

To "prove" OBEs is not trivial. I think a good analogy to OBEs would be radio stations where each station represents a "reality" that we can tune into. Stations coexist but we can only tune in to one at a time with the exception of the static that happens between stations, in which reception is sketchy at best. Anyone who has had an OBE and explored his/her own room will notice that it's not quite the same -- some things are the same but you might notice objects that aren't really there. It's a combination of both realities, i.e. the "static" between the "stations". From this interpretation you might argue that you might never be able to find the proof you're looking for, and if you somehow did, it wouldn't necessarily be repeatable. But it would only make sense that we wouldn't find proof because afterall OBEs might occur in an entirely different "station" not connected to our physical reality. And when it boils down to it, does the proof even matter? A profound experience that offers learning and growth is still meaningful even if it were fake. Suppose you woke up tomorrow to realize that everything you've known to be "real" turned out to be a virtual reality. Would it matter? You experience and learn new things everyday. Is this not enough to make it worth experiencing?

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:37 AM

View Postall16universes, on 07 June 2013 - 03:53 AM, said:

To "prove" OBEs is not trivial. I think a good analogy to OBEs would be radio stations where each station represents a "reality" that we can tune into. Stations coexist but we can only tune in to one at a time with the exception of the static that happens between stations, in which reception is sketchy at best. Anyone who has had an OBE and explored his/her own room will notice that it's not quite the same -- some things are the same but you might notice objects that aren't really there. It's a combination of both realities, i.e. the "static" between the "stations". From this interpretation you might argue that you might never be able to find the proof you're looking for, and if you somehow did, it wouldn't necessarily be repeatable. But it would only make sense that we wouldn't find proof because afterall OBEs might occur in an entirely different "station" not connected to our physical reality. And when it boils down to it, does the proof even matter? A profound experience that offers learning and growth is still meaningful even if it were fake. Suppose you woke up tomorrow to realize that everything you've known to be "real" turned out to be a virtual reality. Would it matter? You experience and learn new things everyday. Is this not enough to make it worth experiencing?

I've experienced something similar to what you are talking about in a different state, but instead of seeing odd things that aren't there normally, I saw everything as it normally sits in my room, but it all had intense personal meaning that it doesn't usually have. It's hard to explain because I don't even remember the personal meaning all of the mundane objects had; I just remember the feeling of intense awe at the experience. To say it a simpler and better way: I saw everything I see as normal, but in a completely different light. I wish I could see things in this way again sometime.

Unfortunately, I can't explain what I saw because I can't remember. The OP would say I'm full of it and obviously lying due to this, and that's a shame.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:30 AM

Sorry but I don't know that there could ever be a way to prove or disprove something like obe. I just wonder that if you were to visit a loved one during an obe would they be able to see you maybe in some sort of spirit form if they were awake during that time.


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:25 PM

Best way to prove it would be to walk or float over to someone's house while they are in the potty.

Very effective.

I'd love to be able to do it.  I meditate, but that's about it.


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 09:31 AM

Lucid dream =/= OBE

OBE =/= real

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 10:02 PM

View PostTimonthy, on 14 June 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

Lucid dream =/= OBE


Do you know this from experience?

I should correct you, Lucid dream = OBE (but with totally different methods used to get into the same mind state.)
OBE = real experience (not necessarily "real" though)

Thanks, your comment contributed invaluable information to the thread.

Edited by Glorfindel, 14 June 2013 - 10:03 PM.





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