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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


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#2851    Abramelin

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:07 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 14 March 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

bù-del

bð-del

1, afries., st. M. (a): nhd. Beutel (M.) (1), Tasche; ne. bag (N.), purse (N.);

Hw.: vgl. as. bðdil, ahd. bðtil; Q.: W; E.: germ. *bðdila-, *bðdilaz, st. M. (a),

Beutel (M.) (1); s. idg. *beu- (2), *bu-, *b
heÈ-, *bhÈ-, V., blasen, schwellen,

Pokorny 98; W.: saterl. bul; L.: Hh 13a, Rh 673a

http://www.koeblerge...ch/afries-B.pdf

Yes, I know you think that the -DEL part is a suffix in itself, but the Dutch etymology site is more detailed, and says the suffix is -IL/EL. The BEU is the PGm stem, and got 'dentilized' into BUD.

Btw, you can look up BUD on the Etymology Online site.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:17 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 14 March 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

beu for swelling I've seen. (I'll go back on bow because I first thought it was bue) Fir Bolg possibly also has this root in bolg/bulge and so does bull.

del might be valley then down, descent or under/low.  Delta = low (lands) (Again, not opening as I first said)

beu-del

the word beu-del as bù-del and buda really should have something to do with these root words..

Sounds like a descriptive for where Buda might have been situated.

It also sounds very much like and describes a bottle.

A low swelling. Here's a pretty bottle that shows it:

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Purses and bags would have been the same shape, a swollen bag drawn in at the top.

Greek βοῦττις (bouttis), "vessel"

bottle (n.)
mid-14c., originally of leather, from Old French boteille (12c., Modern French bouteille), from Vulgar Latin butticula, diminutive of Late Latin buttis "a cask," which is perhaps from Greek.

http://www.etymonlin...owed_in_frame=0
http://www.etymologi...fwoord/bottelen

Funny, one should be able to see a clear connection between BUDEL or BUIDEL and BOTTLE, but none of the linked sites gives that connection.

A 'container' (sack, bag, purse, bottle).


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:23 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 14 March 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:


Either way, I do not think Fryans had Goddesses, so the above is Celtic influenced, you'd have to look under the layers more.

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The Old Frisians had, as has been posted, but the 'Fryans' had not...


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:28 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 14 March 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

This Bitberg.

The city’s name derives from its Celtic toponym, Beda.

Toponym should just mean that is was known as this, it doesn't mean the Celts named it this but could mean it was known as this from the Celts at the time it became heard of.

It's 2000 years old at least.


I know of Bitburg's original name Beda, and I also said that Büdesheim is part of Bitburg.

Büdesheim,  Does that mean Büde's Heim?


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:42 PM

View PostApol, on 14 March 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

Maybe it's an interesting find, which fits in with your theory that Hautes Fagnes was Hâga Fênna.
But why name a burgh from a purse or a sack?

And to which grieteni did the area in which Apollânja travelled belong - the Rhine, all the way to the Bodensee?
Was it a new grieteni, established after the grietmen wrote down their list - with Ny.Fryasburch as its administration center?

Something else I have been thinking of all this time we talked about these burghs:

The OLB says so and so was grevetman over this or that area, and that burghs X and Y and Z were under his care.

Does that necessarily mean these cities must be located in these areas they were grevetman of?

And why name a burgh after a purse of sack? Why not? The OLB Jes-us was socalled nicknamed Buda because his mind was like a bag/purse full of wisdom.

Maybe the suggestion is that the OLB Buda burgh was like a 'bag of....' whatever. Gold, money?

Settlements are named after sillier things than a bag, sack (or maybe bottle).

And did you know that in the Dutch province of Drenthe there is a tiny village called "Amerika"? And it's name is older than that of the continent America... I always liked to see someone explain that name.

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Edited by Abramelin, 14 March 2013 - 07:43 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:47 PM

View PostVan Gorp, on 14 March 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Yes Gestur, nice one.  Language is fun.

Made me think of ‘Kraai’ en ‘Graai’.
De graai-cultuur, as we know in Dutch.
Wasn’t the Earl (Jarl) the head of the robbers? -> G-raaf in Dutch :-)

Van Gorp and Gestur, you should visit that Dutch etymology site, and enter 'raaf'.

At least one of you will drop from their chairs reading the results, but I am not going to post it.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 08:06 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 14 March 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

Something else I have been thinking of all this time we talked about these burghs:

The OLB says so and so was grevetman over this or that area, and that burghs X and Y and Z were under his care.

Does that necessarily mean these cities must be located in these areas they were grevetman of?

And why name a burgh after a purse of sack? Why not? The OLB Jes-us was socalled nicknamed Buda because his mind was like a bag/purse full of wisdom.

Maybe the suggestion is that the OLB Buda burgh was like a 'bag of....' whatever. Gold, money?

Settlements are named after sillier things than a bag, sack (or maybe bottle).

And did you know that in the Dutch province of Drenthe there is a tiny village called "Amerika"? And it's name is older than that of the continent America... I always liked to see someone explain that name.

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1. If in Astflyland castles are mentioned in that area and if in Westflyland castles are mentioned in that area, it is reasonable to suppose that in Southflyland happened the same.

2. If in Astflyland, Westflyland and Southflyland castles are mentioned in those areas, it is reasonable to suppose that the same happened in the Haga Fenna and Walda.

3. In the Seven Islands there was only one castle (in Domburg on Wallhalagara, Walcheren). Middel in Middekburg does not mean in the middle of an island, but the middlest of more castles.

Just a matter of logic.

Foreign territories did not belong to a particular grietenij, but to the Frisian State as a whole like our foreign colonies did not belong to Amsterdam or Hoorn or Enkhuizen, but to the State of the Netherlands.


Amerika s. http://nl.wikipedia....merica_(Limburg)

Edited by Knul, 14 March 2013 - 08:24 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 08:34 PM

View PostKnul, on 14 March 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

1. If in Astflyland castles are mentioned in that area and if in Westflyland castles are mentioned in that area, it is reasonable to suppose that in Southflyland happened the same.

2. If in Astflyland, Westflyland and Southflyland castles are mentioned in those areas, it is reasonable to suppose that the same happened in the Haga Fenna and Walda.

3. In the Seven Islands there was only one castle (in Domburg on Wallhalagara, Walcheren). Middel in Middekburg does not mean in the middle of an island, but the middlest of more castles.

Just a matter of logic.

Foreign territories did not belong to a particular grietenij, but to the Frisian State as a whole like our foreign colonies did not belong to Amsterdam or Hoorn or Enkhuizen, but to the State of the Netherlands.


Amerika s. http://nl.wikipedia....merica_(Limburg)

No, this is what the OLB tells us:

These are the Grevetmen under whose direction this book is composed:—

Apol, Adela’s husband; three times a sea-king; Grevetman of Eastflyland ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ("ovir-a") the Lindaoords. The towns Liudgarda, Lindahem, and Stavia are under his care.

The Saxman Storo, Sytia’s husband; Grevetman over the High Fenns and Woods. Nine times he was chosen as duke or heerman. The towns Buda and Manna-garda-forda are under his care.

Abêlo, Jaltia’s husband; Grevetman over the South Flylands. He was three times heerman. The towns Aken, Liudburg, and Katsburg are under his care.

Enoch, Dywcke’s husband; Grevetman over Westflyland and Texel. He was chosen nine times for sea-king. Waraburg, Medeasblik, Forana, and Fryasburg are under his care.

Foppe, Dunros' husband; Grevetman over the Seven islands. He was five times sea-king. The town Walhallagara is under his care.



It never says in that area.

Yes, I am not crazy, I know that is how one should maybe interpret it, but that is not what it has to mean.

And look at how I translated the part of Apol, Adela's husband; I wonder how you would translate "ovir-a".

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Edited by Abramelin, 14 March 2013 - 08:36 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 08:41 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 14 March 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

you should visit that Dutch etymology site, and enter 'raaf'
Yes, I saw it.
On http://gtb.inl.nl not only "Opperrabbijn" (chief Rabbi), but also "Geestelijke, predikant. Deze toepassing zal wel mede gegrond zijn op de zwarte ambtskleeding van de geestelijken en dus ontstaan zijn door associatie van raaf (III) met raaf (I)."
=>> preacher, probably in part because black clothes associate with raven.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 08:46 PM

OK, better someone from The Judes Land ("Thjudisland") posting that than someone from another country.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 08:57 PM

View PostKnul, on 14 March 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:


Your link doesn't work (and that's because of the final bracket), but this one does:

http://nl.wikipedia....erica_(Limburg)

And it's a rather recent name for that village ("late negentiende eeuw" = late 19th century)

This is the Drenthe "Amerika":

Amerika is a hamlet in the Netherlands. It is part of the village of Een, in the Noordenveld municipality in Drenthe. Amerika has an elevation of 4 meters (13 feet).

Just north of the hamlet is the recreational ground Ronostrand, a swimming pool from an old sand mine.


The village name is older than the name of the continent of America.

http://en.wikipedia....merika,_Drenthe

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Edited by Abramelin, 14 March 2013 - 09:01 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 09:27 PM

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 09:37 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 14 March 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

OK, better someone from The Judes Land ("Thjudisland") posting that than someone from another country.

Why, is there anything controversial about my post?

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 09:39 PM

View PostKnul, on 14 March 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

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That's Frisian territory in the early Middle Ages.

But we - you and me - should also take notice of Frisian legends and reports about Frisian colonies, the ones used by those who created the OLB.

And then we get Frisian colonies in Mainz and Switzerland, and even the Friesische Haft (Poland), and all the connections with Britain and Ireland I have posted about.

I have also posted about how much the Frisians influenced trade in medieval Europe, how much they influenced the later Vikings and how much they had an influence during the Crusades. I could go on for hours like this, but I am not willing to refresh your memory again and again and again.

If you want to create a hoax, you'll have to know your sources, and be very creative.

The ones who wrote the OLB were creative, but it is apparent you lack their creativity.

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Edited by Abramelin, 14 March 2013 - 09:51 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 09:42 PM

View Postgestur, on 14 March 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

Why, is there anything controversial about my post?

Not at all, but if *I* quote that, Knul will start yelling again.

And he has no fkg clue where I come from.

I don't want to be banned again because someone doesn't understand what s/he reads.





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