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#1    Jargogle Ergo

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 11:16 AM

In the preface to the first edition of Fulcanelli's Le Mystere des Cathedrales (the Msyery of the Cathedrals), Eugene Canseliet states that:

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I know, not from having discovered it myself, but because I was
assured of it by the author more than ten years ago, that the key to
the major arcanum is given quite openly in one of the figures,
illustrating the present work. And this key consists quite simply in
a colour revealed to the artisan right from the first work. No
Philosopher, to my knowledge, has emphasized the importance of
this essential point. In revealing it, I am obeying the last wishes of
Fulcanelli and my conscience is clear.

And now may I be permitted, in the name of the Brothers of
Heliopolis and in my own name, warmly to thank the artist, to
whom my master has entrusted the illustration of his work. For it
is indeed due to the sincere and scrupulous talent of the artist
Julien Champagne that Le Myst2re des Cathkdrales is able to wrap
its esotericism in a superb cloak of original plates.


The "key given quite openly in one of the figures illustrating the present work", was drawn by Julien Champagne:


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The alchemical bird, the Black Crow, is the Nigredo (putrefaction) stage of alchemy, the first and most important stage required for the journey.

Is this nigredo the same melancholy that were see weighing on the winged figure of Genius in Albrecht Durer's woodcut Melencolia I?

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 09:34 PM

...you might want to do yourself a favour and read some of the historian Dame Yates' books. This is highly technical work that requires a great deal of period knowledge to unpack and appreciate, and assuming a rational connection between "Fulcanelli" and any pre-modern writings tends to be only followed up by fringe fantasists.

If you actually want to know more about the academic uses of alchemy and Neo-Platonic thought in the late medieval era or the early Renaissance, I'm happy to help, but if you're just in it for "ancient wisdom and mysterious secrets", I'll leave you to the woo-woo crowd and their platitudes.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:18 AM

Well, it's awfully kind of you and thank you for the offer.  

But no thank you.  

However, I am familiar with Giordano Bruno.

The problem I find with academic attempts at unravelling the mysteries, alchemy and hermeticism etc., is that they very often lack true insight.  This is, I think, because they really don't know what they're talking about.  They do not possess the keys to unlocking these matters - so it's often a lot of hot air being propelled into space - an academic greenhouse gas if you will.  Consequently, unenlightened "academic" understanding of these matters is of little interest to me.

On the other hand, the Swiss psychologist Carl Jung (amongst others) got to the real heart of the matter and he is worth reading.  Maybe you'd like to read Jung's Alchemical Studies, Mysterium Conjunctionis and Red Book - amongst others?  

And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by adding the words "assuming you haven't read them already"...

You'll find it takes time to adjust to Jung's style because it's highly technical work that requires knowledge to unpack and appreciate.  

I found your comment that those interested in Fulcanelli must be fringe fantasists to be very curious.  Forgive me if I observe that this comment seems to reveal a lack of understanding of the subject matter. Have you ever read Fulcanelli?  I suspect not.  Do you have any insight into the meaning of the Alchemical crow in the Jungian sense?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:31 AM

It's always fascinating to see the rationales people on the academic fringes use to disparage mainstream academia.
It's never, as where I stand when I expound my on beliefs about Atlantis that I'm talking cobblers it's that they're lying, or tools of the Illuminati or just uninformed.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:23 AM


Moving along.


It is a tradition of the mystery schools that the great secret is writ openly at the beginning.  The great secrets are usually simplicity themselves.  But following them is the hard part and requires dedication and not a little degree of stubbornness.


An example of “writ openly” was the motto of the ancient Greek mystery schools.  Carved into the lintel above the entrance to these school, were the words “Gnothi Seaton”.  Apprentice students had to walk under this inscription to enter the school and yet few understood its true significance, hastening by to it in the hope of learning more interesting things.


Gnothi Seaton means “Know Thyself”.


In Fulcanelli’s Le Mystere des Cathedrales, the cover image is of a cathedral Rose window shining refracted light into the inner darkness:


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It is an appropriate image if we consider the possibility that the cathedral is, actually, a coded rendering of ourselves.  We all may benefit from shining a light inward into our own darkness.


There are different ways and means to undertake this journey.  Some may find Jung's Confrontation of the Shadow to be the best hardest way.  Others had to endure the poisoning vapours of mercury in the alchemical retort of the middle ages.  Still other chose the Hermetic serpentine path.  Presented in different ways, and at different times, they are one and the same in actuality.


In Fulcanelli's book, a method is alluded to in the Introduction by Walter Lang.  The introduction obviously is at the very beginning of the book and, therefore, is in keeping with the ancient tradition of revealing the secret at the outset.  As they used to say: those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, see and hear.  Lang goes on to say:


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Given that the reader of Mystere des
Cathedrales has even begun to suspect the first secret, Fulcanelli's

legacy is at once seen as an exposition of an incredible fact: that,

wholly unsuspected by the profane, the Gothic cathedrals have for

seven hundred years offered European man a. course of instruction

in his own possible evolution.


He then follows this statement with these words:


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Like all who truly KNEW, from Hermes through Geber and the
Greek and Arab artists to Lully, Paracelsus and Flamel, Fulcanelli

masks and reveals in equal measure and like all before him, he is

wholly silent on the initial step of the practice.

But in his method of repeatedly underlining certain words and

perhaps in some curious sentences on the rose windows, he suggests,

as explicitly as he dares, the mightiest secret that man may ever

discover.


The "initial step" followed by  "some curious sentences on the rose windows" leads, Lang says, to "the mightiest secret that man may ever discover"...


When we read Fulcanelli's own words discussing the rose windows (page 50/51) he says this:


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As a consequence of this arrangement, one of the three rose windows which adorn the transepts and the main porch, is never lighted by the sun. This is the north rose, which glows on the facade of the left transept. The second one blazes in the midday sun; this is the southern rose, open at the end of the right transept. The last window is lit by the coloured rays of the setting sun. This is the great rose, the porch window, which surpasses its side sisters in size and brilliance.

Thus on the facade of a gothic cathedral the colours of the Work unfold in a circular progression, going from the shadows-represented by the absence of light and the colour black-to the perfection of ruddy light, passing through the colour white, considered as being the mean between black and red.


​Well, that clears everything up doesn't it. :unsure2:


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:43 AM

Is Fulcanelli the art Gothic/Argot bloke?
That there's a hidden language in gothic architecture?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 12:09 PM

Mathematics started off as a 'secret and hidden' language to early Civilizations across the ancient world ~

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 03:38 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 25 April 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

Is Fulcanelli the art Gothic/Argot bloke?
That there's a hidden language in gothic architecture?

Yes.


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 04:22 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 25 April 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

Is Fulcanelli the art Gothic/Argot bloke?
That there's a hidden language in gothic architecture?

Fulcanelli was an alias and there is still a mystery as tho who he really is. Except for people publishing fringe work (i.e. Bergier) nobody has ever met the man. The only thing certain is that two books were published in the 1920s.

And yes, the so-called Phonetic Cabala is attributed to him.

There is a house in Navia (Spain) where people claimed that Fulcanelli lived until the 70s (the only thing certain is that somebody mixing alchemical potions lived there).

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 06:37 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 25 April 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Mathematics started off as a 'secret and hidden' language to early Civilizations across the ancient world ~

Why do you claim that? The earliest mathematics was the counting of things.


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:36 PM

View Poststereologist, on 25 April 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Why do you claim that? The earliest mathematics was the counting of things.
Well assigning a function to something is something of a mystical experience when you don't understand the "rules".
I work with kids who are still learning to count let alone identify a number of things quickly, me saying "there are five beans" is one thing, them believing that there are five is another matter entirely. They HAVE to count them to be sure and so forth. Any number larger then they're capable of understanding easily (5 (fingers on one hand), 10 (all your fingers) and 25 (all the kids in the class) being the ones they get easily enough. Anything more then that and you might as well say "there are eleventy-one days in a year" and "wibble-quick number of kids in the school" they do not understand those sort of numbers. In fact, some of them have trouble with anything that isn't 1, 2, 5, 10 because they don't have concrete references for them to compare one set of things (fingers) with another (apples) and comparing them? "So five apples is the same as five oranges?").

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:26 PM

View Poststereologist, on 25 April 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

Why do you claim that? The earliest mathematics was the counting of things.

With many thanks to Sir Wearer ~

~ to add ... what you are referring to is probably an intention to 'recording' of things rather than 'counting' ~ actual 'counting' probably started when the ancients started 'building' / 'constructing' ~ more towards an early Science of Mathematics ~

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 02:07 AM

View PostJargogle Ergo, on 25 April 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

Well, it's awfully kind of you and thank you for the offer.  

But no thank you.  

However, I am familiar with Giordano Bruno.

The problem I find with academic attempts at unravelling the mysteries, alchemy and hermeticism etc., is that they very often lack true insight.  This is, I think, because they really don't know what they're talking about.  They do not possess the keys to unlocking these matters - so it's often a lot of hot air being propelled into space - an academic greenhouse gas if you will.  Consequently, unenlightened "academic" understanding of these matters is of little interest to me.

On the other hand, the Swiss psychologist Carl Jung (amongst others) got to the real heart of the matter and he is worth reading.  Maybe you'd like to read Jung's Alchemical Studies, Mysterium Conjunctionis and Red Book - amongst others?  

And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by adding the words "assuming you haven't read them already"...

You'll find it takes time to adjust to Jung's style because it's highly technical work that requires knowledge to unpack and appreciate.  

I found your comment that those interested in Fulcanelli must be fringe fantasists to be very curious.  Forgive me if I observe that this comment seems to reveal a lack of understanding of the subject matter. Have you ever read Fulcanelli?  I suspect not.  Do you have any insight into the meaning of the Alchemical crow in the Jungian sense?

Jargogle

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I'll leave you to your constructed "mysteries" and your disappointment that history isn't as entertaining as you want it to be. No doubt I'll feel foolish when you use Jung and Fucanelli to spin lead into gold.

I mean, I have read his Alchemical Studies, but nothing about it lead me to believe he was writing about anything /historical/ and I missed the part where he was seriously recommending his study to apply to the non-pyschological world. The Rosicrucians, however, repeatedly stressed the importance of their interactions with the physical, political world. So if you're not interested in understanding these people /on their own terms/ and want to play with Jung and his pyschosis, have at!

I mean, is there any documentary, period evidence to back up these rather extraordinary architectural claims, or do we all just blithely accept the nameless, unquestionable Fulcanelli just luckily and intuitively divined these lost secrets from looking at cathedrals? Your claims of theoretical hot air stings both ways, here. Fulcanelli is right because... what, he tells you what you want to hear? Always the mark of keen criticism. I myself have divined the secret school of Past Basset Knowledge from examining the patterns of basset hound droolmarks on the sidewalk, which is every bit as compelling as Fulcanelli. I assume you'd be interested in my numerous (reasonably priced) e-texts on the subject?

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 12:42 PM

I am many years from my childhood interest in the occult and alchemical esoterica, but I seem to recall that most, (if not all), of the claims regarding Fulcanelli were made by a gentleman who claimed to have been one of Fulcanelli's adepts.  I know he was a french chap, but I can't for the life of me remember his name and i think that it turned out that he was actually suspected of being Fulcanelli himself, does that ring any bells?.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 12:52 PM

View PostJon101, on 26 April 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

I am many years from my childhood interest in the occult and alchemical esoterica, but I seem to recall that most, (if not all), of the claims regarding Fulcanelli were made by a gentleman who claimed to have been one of Fulcanelli's adepts.  I know he was a french chap, but I can't for the life of me remember his name and i think that it turned out that he was actually suspected of being Fulcanelli himself, does that ring any bells?.

Eugène Canseliet? If he was Fulcanelli, Fulcanelli was way below the claims made about him.

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