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#16    goalienan

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 10:40 PM

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I've never heard of this either, but that is no surprise.
Thank you for posting it! I will have to buy the book by St Clair. Thanks goalienan, I was wondering and then read your post. Amazon it is. This sounds a lot like what went on in "The Exorcist". I thought William Blatty based his book on the exorcism of a young boy. hmm.gif

Like Coldethyl said, the compulsions to do completely irrational things also remind me of OCD, and people suffering from those type of thoughts should not think that they are possessed. Just thought I'd throw that in there, in case someone reading here was having those types of thoughts.


I have to agree with both you and Coldethyl on OCD..my granddaughter has it and until we had it diagnosed it was very frightening.

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 11:25 PM

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Heres another link about the "Begone Satan" book.

EMMA SCHMIDT


Thanks Thelma! That was a great read and now I have to buy the book!
I wonder how much of a role the father's unwanted attentions played.
So, was she posessed for the entire 26 years? That makes me wonder what her everyday life was like.

(goalienan, I have the feeling that your granddaughter is in very good hands. original.gif My 14 year old son has OCD, and you are right, before he was diagnosed it was really scary.)


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Posted 25 August 2007 - 10:44 AM

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Thanks Thelma! That was a great read and now I have to buy the book!
I wonder how much of a role the father's unwanted attentions played.
So, was she posessed for the entire 26 years? That makes me wonder what her everyday life was like.

(goalienan, I have the feeling that your granddaughter is in very good hands. original.gif My 14 year old son has OCD, and you are right, before he was diagnosed it was really scary.)


Thanks for the compliment...As with our family, yours and many others, when the love comes from the heart, it makes it all a little easier...Hope your son is doing o.k....goalie

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Posted 25 August 2007 - 01:56 PM

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I have to agree with both you and Coldethyl on OCD..my granddaughter has it and until we had it diagnosed it was very frightening.

Hiya Goalienan, I am being very nosey so tell me to mind my own business if you want.

This OCD your granddaughter has, what sort of things was she doing?

I had that up until the age of 24, I guess all cases of OCD are different though, I am just curious original.gif

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Posted 25 August 2007 - 02:27 PM

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Hiya Goalienan, I am being very nosey so tell me to mind my own business if you want.

This OCD your granddaughter has, what sort of things was she doing?

I had that up until the age of 24, I guess all cases of OCD are different though, I am just curious original.gif


Hi Lotus, no you are not being nosey at all...My granddaughter started at the toddler age, so we didnt think to much of it..Before she went to daycare she had to be dressed exactly the same way every day, starting with her underwear and so on...Her shoes had to be tied exactly the same way or we wound up doing them over and over..If I put her hair in pigtails they had to be perfectly even or taken out, the same with pony tails...As she got a little older, she actually started moving my furniture, such as end tables, light articles to a certain place in the room and we didn't dare move them.  It would set her off to what we thought were tantrums...In her miind everything had to be perfect..She would count over and over, such as crayons, put them exactly the same way with colors and so on...Everything had to be in order in her room...This went on and on, and when she was about ten or so, it got to the point where she would wake up and start to put everything back to where it belonged...She has two younger siblings, so this would be toys, etc..After school it was exactly the same thing..The little ones didn;t stand a chance...Washing her hands constantly and so on.  She is now 13, a good student, she is a cheerleader, bad attitude (try to say it's the teen years), and if anything is mentioned about the ocd she gets terrible defensive...Insists that it is us, and not her who has this problem..She heard me talking to her mom about it one day and wouldn't talk to me for a few days...I felt terrible...Hopefully it won't get any worse..I hate when I hear of any child or adult having this...You said you had this till the age of 24, did it slow down at that point...And now if I'm being nosy, you can let me know...what were your symptons...Are we OT...If so feel free to PM me....thanks...goalie

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Posted 25 August 2007 - 03:28 PM

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Hi Lotus, no you are not being nosey at all...My granddaughter started at the toddler age, so we didnt think to much of it..Before she went to daycare she had to be dressed exactly the same way every day, starting with her underwear and so on...Her shoes had to be tied exactly the same way or we wound up doing them over and over..If I put her hair in pigtails they had to be perfectly even or taken out, the same with pony tails...As she got a little older, she actually started moving my furniture, such as end tables, light articles to a certain place in the room and we didn't dare move them.  It would set her off to what we thought were tantrums...In her miind everything had to be perfect..She would count over and over, such as crayons, put them exactly the same way with colors and so on...Everything had to be in order in her room...This went on and on, and when she was about ten or so, it got to the point where she would wake up and start to put everything back to where it belonged...She has two younger siblings, so this would be toys, etc..After school it was exactly the same thing..The little ones didn;t stand a chance...Washing her hands constantly and so on.  She is now 13, a good student, she is a cheerleader, bad attitude (try to say it's the teen years), and if anything is mentioned about the ocd she gets terrible defensive...Insists that it is us, and not her who has this problem..She heard me talking to her mom about it one day and wouldn't talk to me for a few days...I felt terrible...Hopefully it won't get any worse..I hate when I hear of any child or adult having this...You said you had this till the age of 24, did it slow down at that point...And now if I'm being nosy, you can let me know...what were your symptons...Are we OT...If so feel free to PM me....thanks...goalie

No, it's ok, I will put it on public view, mainly in case my own case can help someone else.

Something bad happened to me at six years old, it caused me to start hearing a voice that would tell me to do this and to do that, if I didn't my mum would die.

It was traumatic, I started to bunk off school at seven and take small things from market stalls without paying, it was only when my mum found these things that I stopped, luckily it only happened about three times.  The school secretary arrived at home and told my mum about my school absence at which I started attending again.

However, this bloody OCD which involved continually touching things multiple times was a thorn in my side.  I couldn't just touch something once, it had to be more than once, if I didn't do it, my mum would die.

I never told a soul, one day when ten, I was a hair's width away from blurting it all out to my mum, but I just couldn't.

When I got married, the threat switched from my mum to my husband.

This carried on until I was sitting indoors alone at aged 24, I was drinking a cup of tea and as I reached out to get the cup, my hand accidentally brushed against the mantlepiece.  As I went to touch it multiple times, I stopped.

Reflecting back on my life at that moment, it was as if I was seeing the torment for what it really was, I became indignant and then very angry and I remember saying in a loud voice

"I will NOT do this anymore, if I touch something, it will be just the once unless I choose to do differently, I will no longer take any notice of threats to any member of my family should I not do something!"  

It took tremendous will but it worked and stopped from that day.  I do not know if the bad experience at 6 years old had anything to do with it but I am 99.9% sure it did.

You see, by finally admitting I had a problem, it enabled me to fight it and win instead of being passive and suffering.

My heart goes out to your Granddaughter and to you and your family, if she could just see that it is not normal to do the things she is doing, she will be well on the way to being cured or the torment she is going through and it really is torment sad.gif.  She could be embarrassed or just in denial, but whatever the case she can sort this.

The one thing she is fortunate with, is that you and your family are aware of OCD, support is needed and it is good that she has you all.

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Posted 25 August 2007 - 03:37 PM

huh this is very interesting, thanks. I shall check out the link later on today
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Posted 25 August 2007 - 08:26 PM

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No, it's ok, I will put it on public view, mainly in case my own case can help someone else.

Something bad happened to me at six years old, it caused me to start hearing a voice that would tell me to do this and to do that, if I didn't my mum would die.

It was traumatic, I started to bunk off school at seven and take small things from market stalls without paying, it was only when my mum found these things that I stopped, luckily it only happened about three times.  The school secretary arrived at home and told my mum about my school absence at which I started attending again.

However, this bloody OCD which involved continually touching things multiple times was a thorn in my side.  I couldn't just touch something once, it had to be more than once, if I didn't do it, my mum would die.

I never told a soul, one day when ten, I was a hair's width away from blurting it all out to my mum, but I just couldn't.

When I got married, the threat switched from my mum to my husband.

This carried on until I was sitting indoors alone at aged 24, I was drinking a cup of tea and as I reached out to get the cup, my hand accidentally brushed against the mantlepiece.  As I went to touch it multiple times, I stopped.

Reflecting back on my life at that moment, it was as if I was seeing the torment for what it really was, I became indignant and then very angry and I remember saying in a loud voice

"I will NOT do this anymore, if I touch something, it will be just the once unless I choose to do differently, I will no longer take any notice of threats to any member of my family should I not do something!"  

It took tremendous will but it worked and stopped from that day.  I do not know if the bad experience at 6 years old had anything to do with it but I am 99.9% sure it did.

You see, by finally admitting I had a problem, it enabled me to fight it and win instead of being passive and suffering.

My heart goes out to your Granddaughter and to you and your family, if she could just see that it is not normal to do the things she is doing, she will be well on the way to being cured or the torment she is going through and it really is torment sad.gif.  She could be embarrassed or just in denial, but whatever the case she can sort this.

The one thing she is fortunate with, is that you and your family are aware of OCD, support is needed and it is good that she has you all.


Thank you for sharing that Lotus...I can only imagine what was going through your mind at such a young age , thinking if you didn't do this your mom would come to harm...I'm so glad that you had the strength to get through your problem.  You sound like a wonderful person.  Yes, my granddaughter is both embarrassed and also in denial that she has this problem.  But the awareness is there and hopefully as she gets stronger her ocd will be limited.  We can only pray for the best...prayers to you...goalie

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:22 PM

I've had OCD since childhood as well.

Helpful site.




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Posted 28 August 2007 - 05:52 PM

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I've had OCD since childhood as well.

Helpful site.


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Posted 28 August 2007 - 05:56 PM

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It's a great link Lotus Flower...Much to be said... original.gif

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 06:12 AM

William Peter Blatty refers to the Emma Schmidt case in his novel "The Exorcist", so he was certainly aware of it.  Frankly, the case far more resembles the fictional story presented in both the book and movie than it does the "real life" (to my mind somewhat questionably) 1949 case which many (including I believe Blatty himself) claim to have been the inspiration.

Blatty claims to have heard stories about the 1949 case while attending Georgetown Universities and also to have read a journal kept by one of the priests who was in attendance (how, he has never explained as far as I know).  But if stories about the 1949 case were circulating among the priests at Georgetown when Blatty was there, he may have heard others stories as well.  And no doubt he would have gone to the University's excellent library, where he almost certainly would have found writings about Emma Schmidt and any number of historical exorcisms (which, again, are mentioned in the novel).

The fact is, Blatty is a novelist, not a historian.  And it hardly seems far-fetched that a storyteller who heard stories that fascinated him one day sat down and wrote a story of his own.  I doubt that there is one "real life inspiration" for "The Exorcist".  He merely wrote a truly frightening tale in a style which made the whole thing seem all too plausible.  And perhaps the pressures of Hollywood publicity, and the ever-present din every writer comes to hate: "WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR IDEAS?" led him to create yet another story, based on some of his research material.

I reread "The Exorcist" recently, and was shaken, not so much by the supernatural events which are played up in the movie, but by the all-too plausible "real life" events which hide in almost every shadow of the story (most of which were stripped from the film).  They are disquieting reminders of how, yes, there is darkness in this world, and if there is One who made the light....might there be Another who waits in the shadows as well?

Just off the cuff here and a bit off-topic, but has anyone here ever read Dan Simmon's "Song Of Kali"?  There are a lot of echoes of "The Exorcist" running through the entire book.  It stands beautifully on its own, but those who know "The Exorcist" well will find some additional extra shivers.


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 06:31 PM

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Hi Lotus, no you are not being nosey at all...My granddaughter started at the toddler age, so we didnt think to much of it..Before she went to daycare she had to be dressed exactly the same way every day, starting with her underwear and so on...Her shoes had to be tied exactly the same way or we wound up doing them over and over..If I put her hair in pigtails they had to be perfectly even or taken out, the same with pony tails...As she got a little older, she actually started moving my furniture, such as end tables, light articles to a certain place in the room and we didn't dare move them. It would set her off to what we thought were tantrums...
Since when was a four year old giving orders to adults?  That's where your problem started.  If she had learned her boundries early on, she never would think to usurp other people's things or to insist on her way every day.  Indulged children get addicted to the power.  They get addicted to how they can herd more powerful beings around [adults] with threats of tantrums.  Next time you have a grand child, make sure they don't get their way no matter how many times they scream, pout and pound their fists.  Insist on your way now and then.  Do it calmly, firmly and without any emotion attached at all.   The young tyrant will look for signs of distress on your face and milk it for all it's worth.  Later, this reformed tyrant will be a happier, well adjusted person who fits into society and doesn't need expensive therapy and medications.

Children like routines to the point of panic if they're disrupted.  She may also be autistic.  Autistics get this way too.  The "cure" to best adjust autistics is to gradually but firmly introduce more and more variation into their surroundings until they learn that new things don't = terror and panic.

So for the tyrant, the first paragraph.  For the panicked child, the second.  Either way, firmly introducing contrary ideas to their routine is the remedy.

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