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#1    Scorpius

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Posted 03 January 2004 - 05:36 AM

Utopia:
An ideally perfect place, especially in its social, political, and moral aspects.

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My idea of Utopia would be a place of peace, harmony, and a sense of equality.  However, unrealistic this maybe its a good way to start off on your thoughts of a Utopian society or world.  

Furthermore, the educational system would be different from the many systems i've encountered or heard of.  They seem highly disfunctional and not as greatly beneficial is they should be, which my educational system would undertake.

My government would probably resemble the Greek's.  Senates from around the globe would come and decide on many decisions, whether it be spiritual, scientific, or financial.  It would not be exclusively for political topics but to a diverse request of topics and situations that need to be addressed.

The only problem would be the rebels or criminals.  I don't know what i'd specifically do with them, because i think death sentences are morally wrong.  So i'm stumped on this.  disgust.gif

This Utopian world of mine, would also be a place well connected to its environment and its geographical structures.  Quite similar to the wondrous and spectacular structures in the movie Lord of the Rings, however it would be highly technological.

I believe my idea of a Utopia should be a spectacular environment to live in.

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Posted 03 January 2004 - 05:42 AM

Anarchy is the only mean's to ever achieve a utopia.... where there is oppression there will be resistence... no longer will I be one of the misinformed masses..... damn the government! ... sorry just in a pissy mood...

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Posted 03 January 2004 - 06:05 AM

yeah, great idea, anrachy all the way  disgust.gif

utopia won't happen due to a little thing called humans:)


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Posted 03 January 2004 - 07:18 AM

Utopia for me involves....simply having nothing...for me the ability to just be, is my Utopia.


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Posted 03 January 2004 - 11:40 PM

utopia can exist!! overthrow all the worlds governments!! there all conspirasies any way!! no government, like they said anarchy!! ha ha ha!!

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PS - that was meant to be sarcastic, however, as i have seen from my PM's, some people took it seriously. sorry! blush.gif
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Posted 03 January 2004 - 11:45 PM

Utopia,would be world peace,equal living styles for all,no prejudice or discrimination.But then again,that aint gonna happen.

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 04:53 AM

We had a utopia once but humanity became corrupt and destroyed it.

History is like Time - it always repeats itself.


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Posted 04 January 2004 - 05:49 AM

QUOTE (Atlantis Rises @ Jan 3 2004, 10:53 PM)
We had a utopia once but humanity became corrupt and destroyed it.

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 10:42 PM

QUOTE (The One @ Jan 4 2004, 01:06 AM)
You want a Utopian society?

Both Democracy and Communism were set to be perfect UTOPIAN SOCIETIES.

In Democracy you build on yourself to make your OWN utopian society by the CHOICES YOU MAKE IN YOUR LIFETIME.

FOR EX. You go to college, and work real hard, do not experiment or TAKE BIG RISKS, OR CHANCES IN LIFE by The Stock Market, or GAMBLING, and live a NORMAL life.

Ex. Have kids, have pets, drink beer, (smoke weed if it were legal), have a nice CAR, and decent HOME that you TAKE VERY GOOD CARE OF AND do not NEGLECT, have a decent JOB, and well rounded friends excluding FRIENDS WHO WILL PULL YOU DOWN, like Drug Addicts, Theives, and Liars. Have a religion or Science of YOUR CHOICE, Excluding one that will be destructive, but a religion or science that will make YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAPPY, AND SECURE IN LIFE.


The Problem with Democracy is that. People worry to much about other people and NOT ENOUGH ABOUT THEMSELVES. Another problem IS THAT PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO WORK IN LIFE, Instead they think that everything has to be GIVEN TO THEM ON A SILVER PLATTER, Another problem with Democracy is GREED, I want your Life style, even though I HAVE ALREADY MADE OUT MY LIFE STYLE, Change is a HUGE ISSUE.

What is wrong in AMERICA IS NOT THAT the government is carrying out CONSPIRACIES, AND DEMONIC PLANS FOR THE END OF THE WORLD, But the problem is with PEOPLE.

For example- We do not VOTE, as much anymore, PEOPLE DO NOT TRY HARD ENOUGH IN SCHOOL, OR COLLEGE (Alcohol, Sex and Drugs, are a BIG FACTOR. Parents spoiling Children, teachers and other students segregating from each other, instead of UNITING TO HELP THEMSELVES AND OTHERS LEARN BETTER.
The Media, and its use of FEAR, Hence, I HAVE BETTER CLOTHES THAN YOU, MY DAD SAID SANTA CLAUS DID NOT EXIST, BULLIES, and TYRANTS FOR TEACHERS!!!!. And Mothers and Fathers who abandon THEIR CHILDREN.

In democracy there will always be Jealousy, Greed, Lies, Lazyness, and Hate.
The ways to change this are to VOTE, DO GOOD IN SCHOOL, HELP YOURSELF MOSTLY, BUT ALSO GIVE OTHERS SOME HELP ( AS LONG AS THEY ARE HELPING THEMESELVES), AND LAST OF ALL SET POSTIVE GOALS FOR YOURSELF, AND ACHEIVE THEM ONE BY ONE.

WHEN YOU HAVE ACHIEVED ALL YOUR GOALS, SET SOME MORE POSTIVES GOALS FOR YOUR LIFE.


Now in Communism everyone gets the same as everyone else.

The downfall is you are chosen what jobs will be best for you, you do NOT CHOOSE WHO IS IN YOUR POLITICAL OFFICE, AND THE FOLLWING OF GREED, JEALOUSY, LIERS, LAZYNESS, AND HATE.


My point of this was to let you know that NO matter what Government, we have we will always have the problems of the ABOVE THAT I JUST MENTIONED.

But as goes for Anarchy, lets have Anarchy, that way people can waltz right in our homes and rape and murder our children without serving 10 to twenty years, lets have our children exposed to Cocain, and Herion, and other deadly Drugs, lets have people who Lie, Cheat, Steal, and Kill run around everywhere.
I think there is a better way of achieving Utopia, than Anarchy, besides to even get anarchy everyone would have to revolt, or say NO to anything and everthing, a good start of anarchy would be for everyone in the world quiting their jobs.

I personally believe their is no possible way to ever get a COMPLETE notice I said COMPLETE Utopia, since how your Utopia, may differ from anothers Idea of Utopia.

I think the best way to reach an IDEAL government, to make the people happy is a Government run by the people for the people, hence the words (DEMOCRACY), too bad America left Democracy years ago, and went to socialism. The biggest problem with Democracy, is the fact that THE PEOPLE get lazy and nothing gets done, therefore someone higher up IN THE GOVERNMENT takes more action and power than what is necessary and actually given to him. As everyone in the world does not recognize how powerful there government is getting, because of there foolishness, and neglegence, they fail to do anything about it before its too late. Pretty soon it gets so bad that the people that do relize what is happening start making up CONSPIRACY THEORIES, and huge ass PROTESTING GROUPS. Then the government has to take action because this puts the rest of the world into danger because they can't let their CONTROL OF POWER go, if they do then everyone GOES OUT OF CONTROL, if they dont then everyone gets scared through FEAR, MANIPULATION, and POWER, so they begin to CONFORM.

See where Im getting at? I really do understand where your getting at with Anarchy, its just that it would never work.

As for Utopia, I think its safe to say ANARCHY would be a CHAOTIC UTOPIA.
Democracy IF RAN PROPERLY, would be a HUMANISTIC UTOPIA.


What do you think about what I just wrote?


This makes for an awesome speech.  Next time add this in a reply, because its worth a reply (post) than a private message.

However good this post was, people are taking it a little too seriously.  I meant to say, what you think would be an ideal society, without regards to ours.

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE (Blue-Scorpion @ Jan 4 2004, 12:49 AM)
QUOTE (Atlantis Rises @ Jan 3 2004, 10:53 PM)
We had a utopia once but humanity became corrupt and destroyed it.

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Care to elaborate.

Atlantis was this planet's utopia before it became corrupt and destroyed themselves.  It was one with nature, had no wars, flourished without restrainment ~~ perhaps the reason it became corrupt, no governed laws to hold back progress.  And they were technologically superior to our present master race.

History is like Time - it always repeats itself.


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Posted 04 January 2004 - 11:16 PM

QUOTE (Atlantis Rises @ Jan 4 2004, 10:13 PM)
Atlantis was this planet's utopia before it became corrupt and destroyed themselves.  It was one with nature, had no wars, flourished without restrainment ~ perhaps the reason it became corrupt, no governed laws to hold back progress.

interesting beliefs. reminds me of the biblical fable of the tower of bable


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Posted 05 January 2004 - 03:42 AM

Or perhaps even the story of Eden,  man-in-mudboots.


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Posted 05 January 2004 - 02:59 PM

When I was a kid and in my teens I thought Socialism was a perfect Utopia.

Then I got some responsibility and realized there is no such thing.

Democracy is mob rule, and mobs can be stupid and harmful to themselves and others.

I think that benevolent dictatorship might be one of the best... but it all depends on the person in charge.

Personal Utopia?  Like if I were an emperor and could do no wrong and had a harem with Jessica Alba and Brittney Spears and the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders and any food/thing I desired?  I'd probably spend most of my time reading...

But as long as there are people, there will be problems.


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Posted 05 January 2004 - 11:18 PM

QUOTE (Celumnaz @ Jan 5 2004, 08:59 AM)
But as long as there are people, there will be problems.

Well, that's true in way.

However, it really depends on ones personality and their true "mission" or purpose in life, which should be through good deeds.  If every one had the same morals, philosophies, and ethical standards, which are good, then all ends well that start well.  On the downside, in reality, this would only be created by people who think exactly alike or pretty much the same, and since no three people think alike its hard for a utopian society such as this, to exist.

You know what they say..."Every good deed deserves a reward."  thumbsup.gif  

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Posted 06 January 2004 - 04:27 AM

My utopia would be a world made of entire chocolate, so that we may feast until we puke, also giant labdrdors will walk the earth which we shall enslave and use for transport. Mullets, and beards will be banned.

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