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#1    Skelde

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Posted 11 April 2001 - 08:52 PM

:-/Hi all,
Hopefully somone can help me.
I seem to recall a documentry about the American Navy using a ship to experiment with invisibility.
I think magnatisum or radiation was involved.
Does anyone have any more details?

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Posted 11 April 2001 - 09:38 PM

I think the experiment you're referring to is the Philaedelphia Experiment, which took place in the 1940's, and allegedly used tesla related magnetism theories to make an entire battleship disappear. The ship was reported to have teleported half way across the earth, before returning a few minutes later. Half of the crew on board died as a result - some of them had become "embedded" in the ship, while others mysteriously caught fire with no explanation.

Some argue that this is proof of advanced teleportation technology in possession of the US army. Others disagree with the entire story. Either way it's one of the most famous secret experiments to date.


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Posted 11 April 2001 - 09:49 PM

Skelde,

   Ah, the infamous 'PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT' conducted by the government during WWII. Another 'myth' hoisted on us by those 'in the know - buy our book and we'll give you the "real story".' But, far be it for me to try to make-up your mind for you, here's a link to a great web-site that has tons of info on the strange and paranormal;

http://www.mysteries-megasite.com/master.html

  On the main page they list all the subjects in a master list, just click on the Philadelphia Experiment link and it will list a bunch of websites devoted to the subject. It will keep you busy for days. Good luck and welcome to the board.original.gif
After your research, feel free to come back and tell us what you think about the subject. Don't let me scare you, there's nothing like a difference of opinion to keep the blood flowing.wink2.gif

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Posted 11 April 2001 - 10:01 PM

Gareth,

  The 'experiment' supposedly took place in 1943. Lots of good links over at the mysteries website.

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Posted 12 April 2001 - 01:14 PM

Oops - that should have said 1940's not 1950's.

Thanks for pointing that out, I've fixed it now ;D


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Posted 21 April 2001 - 12:48 AM

why don't you make this an encyclopedia topic. you seem to have enough information on the topic and it will be an interesting one aswell.


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Posted 24 April 2001 - 05:49 AM

In 1943, the U.S. Navy began conducting tests to degauss the hulls of ships so they could not be damaged or destroyed by magnetic mines. The final design was a cadeuceus coil wound into a toroid inside the ship's hull. When charged, the toroid coil was supposed to demagnetize or degauss the hull. But the engineers and scientists had miscalculated.
When the toroid coil was charged, an electromagnetic field was created. This unknown field changed the amount of basic energy contained within the space occupied by the ship. It was increased by an unknown factor.
Material objects remain visible only in a low energy-density per unit volume of space. Any increase in the field charge at that point would cause the material object to completely dematerialize.
Witnesses later stated that they could see the outline of the Eldridge in the water, the hole where it once was visible, but they were unable to see the ship. It had become invisible!
Then water rushed in to fill the hollow as the ship dematerialized; that is, moved from the physical, visible plane of this world into another dimension, the properties and characteristics of which they could not explain.
Some time later the Eldridge reappeared at Norfolk, Virginia. Many of the sailors aboard were dead, having been burned to ashes by the strong electromagnetic forces in the toroid coil. Others were alive, some barely, and some had melded into the steel decks and gun tubs of the ship. A few had melded into their nearest shipmates.
Later theories declared that the sailors had joined with their companions and ship structure because the ship had moved in the water and the sailors had moved from their assigned spots some time during the transition from this three dimensional universe to the unknown time/space continuum and back. But what is known is that some of the sailors aboard the Eldridge who survived the experiment would begin to smoulder as if burning from the inside out. Many were reported to have gone mad; others to have died horrible lingering burning deaths.
A Norfolk, Virginia newspaper reported in a small column hidden deep within its pages that two sailors from the Eldridge had been sitting in a bar having drinks when one began to smoulder. Then,  the affected sailor stood and walked through the wall of the pub, but did not appear on the other side. He had vanished completely from this space/time and has not been heard from to this day.
The theory of this time/space shift has been expressed by a number of prominent scientists and engineers. It has been determined that an infinite energy charge could be produced outside the toroid coil while inside the coil (ship) zero energy charge would be indicated. Inside the ship there is no current flowing through the conductor and, therefore, no magnetic field. Outside the coil there is an infinite energy charge producing an enormous magnetic field.
When this is increased the electrons, then protons, neutrons and all other subatomic particles collapse into the quantum field. The ship and all within the toroid coil will vanish into the quantum field, acquiring other dimensions of space/time/motion in the process.
Witnesses would see the ship vanish and the hole fill with water as the ship transitioned into the quantum field. Inside the ship, however, the universe would appear to be much the same as before, even if it now exists entirely within the quantum field.
The Eldridge might have travelled not only through space during the transition, but through time as well.  Time travellers  might have transitioned through several parallel worlds without even knowing it. This theory appears to have some validity since the Eldridge and her crew reappeared in a different location from where they began. Was the Eldridge that reappeared in Norfolk the same U.S.S. Eldridge that vanished during the test or was it a parallel ship with parallel crew from another time on a parallel world conducting an identical test?

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Posted 28 April 2001 - 06:38 AM

  Now lets hear from the actual crew of the U.S.S. ELDRIDGE, taken by a reporter for the Philadelphia Enquirer during the ship's reunion;

March 26, 1999 Ship's myth keeps reappearing
The legend says the Eldridge vanished briefly in 1943.
By Lacy McCrary
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
ATLANTIC CITY -- The truth is out here. It is in a hospitality room of a boardwalk hotel, with some old salts sitting around white-clothed tables laughing at reports that their ship was involved in a top-secret World War II experiment. Sailors who served on the USS Eldridge, the ship that legend says vanished briefly in 1943 at the Philadelphia Navy Yard, met here this week for their first reunion in 53 years and spent part of their time joking about the so-called Philadelphia Experiment.
The Eldridge, they said yesterday, may well have been invisible to Philadelphia because it was never in Philadelphia. The ship's log and several veterans who were on the ship from its launching on July 25, 1943, at Port Newark, N.J., say it called on many East Coast ports, but never Philadelphia.
Two movies, two books and several Web sites have kept the myth about the Eldridge alive. As the story goes, the destroyer escort was surrounded by a greenish fog, disappeared for a few minutes, then reappeared.
But none of the veterans believes it.
"I think it's somebody's pipe dream," said Ed Wise, 74, of Salem, Ind.
Ted Davis, 72, of Grand Island, Neb., was more emphatic. "It never happened," he said.
Bill Van Allen, 84, who was executive officer and then captain of the Eldridge in 1943 and 1944, said he never saw any sign of experiments aboard the ship. "I have not the slightest idea how these stories got started," said Van Allen of Charlotte, N.C.
These former sailors said they sometimes had fun pretending the experiment actually occurred. "When people would ask me about it, I would play along with them and tell them I disappeared. After a while
they realized I was pulling their legs," said Ray Perrino, 72, ofCranston, R.I.
None of the 15 at the reunion could explain why writers picked their ship, out of the thousands that sailed in the war, as the site of
invisibility experiments.Frankly, some are tired of being asked about it.
"We can't wait to put it to rest. We can't because it keeps coming up," Davis said. "I'm still asked about it now, mostly by younger people."

The Navy said it had received so many inquiries through the years about the Philadelphia Experiment -- the title of a 1984 movie, a 1993
sequel and two books -- that it prepared and sends out a fact sheet.
The Navy said the myth dated to 1955 with the publication of "The Case for UFO's" by the late Morris K. Jessup. It said Jessup later received
letters from a Carlos Miguel Allende, who gave a New Kensington, Pa., address, and claimed he witnessed the ship becoming invisible from
another vessel. Allende also said the ship was "teleported" to and from Norfolk, Va., in a few minutes with some terrible after effects for crew members.
Questions about the experiment probably arose from "quite routine" research at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard during the war, according to the Navy fact sheet.
"It was believed the foundation for the apocryphal stories arose from degaussing [ demagnetizing ] experiments which have the effect of making a ship undetectable or 'invisible' to magnetic mines," the Navy said.
But the Navy said it had never conducted invisibility experiments, either in 1943 or at any other time.
The legend says the ship became invisible on July 22, 1943, but ship records and the veterans say it was not launched until July 25. The second experiment, in which the Eldridge was sent to Norfolk and back to Philadelphia, was supposed to have occurred on Oct. 28, 1943. The ship's log says it was at the Brooklyn Navy Yard on that date, but did spend two days in the Norfolk Navy Yard in November 1943.

The gray-haired men, some wearing baseball caps with "USS Eldridge" printed on them, chuckled as they ribbed one another about the mental
problems the crew supposedly suffered from the experiments. "The only part of the book I think is true is the part about the crew being a little crazy," said Ed Tempany, 75, of Carteret, N.J. He
referred to The Philadelphia Experiment: Project Invisibility by William L. Moore in consultation with Charles Berlitz.
"When I get home I'm going to apply for disability," Perrino said,with a smile.
"Beam me up, Scotty," said Tempany.

The interview than came to an abrupt end when the interviewer was led away by 2 pasty-faced men in dark suits.:original.gif

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Posted 28 April 2001 - 11:27 AM

I suppose that if the Philadelphia experiment had been successful in teleportation with the use of magnetic fields, we would have seen a lot of experiments since then trying to recreate it. Scientists would have publicly attempted to copy what was done in 1943, and there would have been scientific papers published on it ages ago.

Who was the first to claim that the Philadelphia Experiment had occured - and who came out with the details regarding what was allegedly done ? Perhaps whoever orginally went public with the story, intended for the whole thing to be nothing more than a joke.


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Posted 28 April 2001 - 09:23 PM

My earlier post was merely explaining the legend, and not my beliefs. But there does seem to be some contoversy as far as dates are concerned:

Named after the late Commander John Eldridge, Jr. (commander of Scouting Squadron 71, USS Wasp (CV-7), killed in action over the Solomons in 1942), the keel of the USS Eldridge (DE-173), was laid on 22 Feb. 1943 and built by the Federal Shipbuilding and Drydocks, Newark, NJ., taking six months and one day to complete. The official commissioning ceremony took place on 27 Aug. 1943 as Lieutenant Charles R. Hamilton, USNR, became her first commanding officer. She was one of fifty-eight Cannon class destroyer escorts with a length of 306 feet, and a displacement of 1,240 tons standard and 1,520 tons full load.

Though her service was somewhat uneventful, her record shows that she worked as an ocean escort for tankers and merchant vessels, operating in the North African, Mediterranean, and South European regions, making nine voyages to Casablanca, Bizerte, and Oran, and in the Caribbean Sea area as well as Bermuda. She aided in the rescue operation of several merchant vessels blown off course by a hurricane in the last days of October 1943. An action report filed by then Cdr. Hamilton states that on 22 Nov. 1943 at 1330 local time, the Eldridge dropped seven depth charges against a suspected enemy submarine.

After completing her service in the Atlantic, the Eldridge was transferred to the Pacific and remained there until the end of the war, operating off the coast of Japan. She was placed out of commission on 17 Jun. 1946 and transferred to the reserve fleet where she remained as a reserve ship. She was sold to Greece on 15 Jan. 1951 under the Mutual Defense Assistance program, and was renamed Leon (D-54); (Lion).

As one can see, no mention of any "experiment" is evident here. If we are to take the U. S. Navy solely at its word, we can write off the whole legend right now.

But there is more that seems to contradict the official version. The keel for the Eldridge was indeed laid on 22 Feb. 1943, but her actual launching date is one of the controversial issues of her service. Some researchers say she was launched on 27 Aug. 1943, while others say it was 25 Jul. 1943. (Jane's lists her simply as: USS Eldridge (DE-173) - 1943.)

Another curious note, the deck logs for the first three months of her service (from 27 Aug. '43 to 1 Dec. '43) are rendered "missing and therefore unavailable."

Again I agree with Magikman that the legend was indeed just a legend, but one has to be curious as to how and why the ships logs are incomplete and that so much data is and always has been missing...

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Posted 28 April 2001 - 11:24 PM

Gareth & Homer,

   Here's a link to a brief history that outlines the origin of the Philadelphia Experiment;

http://www.parascope.com/en/articles/allende.htm

  It was investigated and written by a reporter for FATE magazine. He pretty much proves the whole story was an elaborate hoax concocted by Carl Allen "Carlos Allende", who later admitted to having fabricated the whole thing. What is so fascinating about this subject is how one man's lie evolved into an elaborate event that involved everything but the kitchen sink, ie; time travel, invisibility, military coverup, government conspiracies, UFO's and teleportation. Throw in numerous books and a couple TV movies, and its no wonder everybody is trying to cash in on the next, 'new' paranormal fad.

  I figured you were posting an account of the legend, Homer, that was why I had added a link to one of my earlier posts. It gives everyone a chance to familiarize themselves with the subject and lets them come to their own conclusion. This post alone has over 100 hits, and any additional information offered by us will help those who are interested.

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Posted 29 April 2001 - 01:41 AM

After watching the movie, I always wondered, if it was true,how they explained to the families of the men who became 'embedded' in the ship, what happened to them!!  ???


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Posted 29 April 2001 - 09:59 AM

Thank you for the web sight information Magikman. Like I stated, I never fully believed in the legend;but I had believed the government was hiding SOMETHING. Although I never seen the movies, I have read one book and researched a lot of websights for the last couple years. The amazing thing is, if EVERYTHING is a lie, and there was no experiment of ANYKIND, how it could have evolved into such a technically detailed hoax, fooling so many people for so long. And still fooling them.

Thank you again Magikman for the information. I will check it out soon.

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Posted 29 April 2001 - 10:31 AM

Even though the Philadelphia experiment itself is little more than a well fabricated hoax, there are elements of it that may not be as fictional.

I have heard quite a bit about magentism related experiments based on the works of Tesla, there are some interesting things that can be done with a high voltage. Powerful electromagents can be combined in certain ways to create unusual properties. Perhaps the story of the Philadelphia Experiment based the scientific side of things on aspects of such experiments.

There's also the points regarding the crew being embedded in the ship, and there was even mention of some of them spontaneously combusting and being able to walk through walls. This does some rather ludicrous, however there is the possibility that high voltage magnetism experiments may actually cause extremely strange side effects. If the Philadelphia Experiment had occured, then these after effects for the crew are really spot on. It's the sort of thing you'd expect to happen as a result of high voltage magentism experiments involving warping of space and time. The original fabricator of the entire story, certainly made a good job of it. The whole thing is very believable, and maybe that is why it has become so well known.

Still it would have been good if the Experiment had really happened - who knows what sort of technology would have spawned from it. We may have been warping into work every day or going to the moon for a day trip. It would have certainly been the biggest breakthrough in technology this century.


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Posted 29 April 2001 - 09:52 PM

Homer,

  Kind of like making a mountain out of a mole hill, wouldn't you agree? But then, that is the formula that has been proven to be the most successful in promoting and selling 'paranormal' events to the public. When you think about it though, it wouldn't be that difficult to take a certain premise and fabricate a believable story around it. Concocting a story out of whole cloth is nothing new, there are thousands of writers that make their living doing just that.  A story being promoted as Fiction or Non-Fiction is where the problem begins. Let me ask you, if Stephen King's CARRIEwere to be promoted as a true story, would you have a problem believing it? Try to put that fact that he is a super popular fiction writer out of your mind and give it a little thought. CARRIE was his first breakout novel, and he was pretty much unknown before its publication. Obviously it would have to be written a little differently(eliminating first person narratives and such), but the premise would have been totally believable to alot of people. Face it, many writers of paranormal subjects rely on their ability to sensationalize the mundane, mostly by altering or fabricating events and upon the gulibility of their readers to believe their story. It's far easier actually, because they never have to prove their story. They can always use a multitude of excuses for not being able to come up with viable evidence and still sound believable, ie;  government conspiracies, Men In Black, mysterious missing witnesses,etc. That is mostly why they are successful, they target an audience who already have ingrained in them a distrust for anyone who represents knowledge and authority, because these are the people responsible for supressing the truth.
Don't get me wrong, no one has all the answers and there are a myrid of subjects out there that need further investigation, but people need to be a bit more careful about what they read and spend more time investigating on their own. Ultimately, your decision will be based on all the available information and your ability to deciminate that information.

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