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[bathory]

[Xenojjin]

your are not to sure and never will be sure , its impossible to scientifically disprove the existance of a god . You need plenty faith for evolution as you must assume that the universe itself existed in the first place . Its much like a box of legos , assumming they are already their you can pour them on the floor . you can then come back in 100000000 years to see whats happened , a robot has formed from the legos . Did someone build it ? Or did earthquakes cause the legos to bounce around over time to form this robot ? You can never really know for sure what happened  and both inferances require faith . Take your pick just dont assume you are some kind of genius with the most logical mind in the world once you have . since when it comes to the formation of the universe as we know it , you cant know what the truth is 100% .

I think you are overestimating evolution assuming it is proven beyond a doubt that it is how the universe formed . You need to come to realize it only explains a possible way the universe was formed , it is not a fact . Evolution is a theory and always will be . theories can be proven wrong .  

[Fluffybunny]

If you were to actually read the theory of evolution by Charles Darwin you would find that it says nothing about the formation of the universe, why people think that evolution and the creation of the universe have anything to do with each other is beyond me.

Darwin never attempted to explain how the universe came about, he was dealing with the progression of biological life, selective breeding, and other matters dealing with how we view the advancement of living creatures over millions of years.

I wish folks would read about darwin before they tried to shoot down his theories.

The big bang theory was first proposed by Belgian priest Georges Lemaître in 1927, he had nothing to do with evolution, just the theory of how the universe could have started. He also didn't say that god didn't have anything to do with the theory, it was simply his evaluation of the information he had gathered of our universe.

I have taken the time to study the bible, torah, quran, and the teaching of buddha, I wish some of the christian folks around here would bother to do the slightest bit of studying of the scientific theories they are trying to shoot down.

[Xenojjin]

I already know his theories dont try to explain the universe . I was trying to explain to him both beliefs need faith . And in order for the big bang theory to work it has to go in hand with evolution even if its not part of the theory they definatly support each other .  

[Fluffybunny]

[bathory]

[doink]

Since the topic has once again changed from "Does God exist?" to "Creation vs. Evolution, on and on to the Big Bang" I have to say that no, evolution is in it's own field. The Big Bang is the best option or idea available right now to the science communtiy. Of course their are newer discoveries every day into how our universe works, but this stuff is based on astronomy studies. Evolution is the process of a species to better itself given the change in environment, or to better adapt to it's environment. As I'm not overly interested in the Big Bang, I don't know all the particulars. But since I am interested in human evolution, I do know that there are a lot of skeletons of apes that walked on two legs, then later used crude stone tools, then later were replaced by skeletons of a half human half ape man, that used fire, hunted with sharpened sticks, better stone tools. Later ( or should I say further up to the surface where the archeologists were digging) are found tthe bones of Neanderthals and Cromagnons, which were almost indistinguishable from humans today (Cro-mags). They had advanced tools, used fire etc. The tools were found with all these skeletons, proof of fire, all the things that we know of them are based on physical evidence. We find more in between stages every day. It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to see the connection. For a better view, and not one so personal, look at elephants. They've changed dramatically over time.

I'd have to find the link but I saw it in a National Geographic I think how we are able to see into smaller and smaller levels through the most advanced microscopes. The more scientists are able to see the intricate patterns that bind us together the more the idea grows within them that there really is some kind of living force behind it all. The pope even said that evolution is very possible. I know you guys like to fight amongst your denominations but it becomes apparent that every one's perceptions are evolving to the point that they see very little difference between what we all are barely starting to comprehend.

[Xenojjin]

*Bathory has entered the realm*

Bathory , read fluffbunnies posts on this subject and try to figure out why this makes you hypocritical .

I see the theories as going hand in hand as they both are made to explain how things came to be without god in the picture . Think of the big bang as birth of the universe and evolution growing up . Thats how I see the similarity .

[bathory]

[Fluffybunny]

[bathory]

evolution disproves creationism

[Xenojjin]

[bathory]

figures

[crosswarrior]

   Bathory you have said that Evolution is fact, and you seem to imply that even if it could be proven wrong that it would not matter; and that faith has nothing to do withthe matter. You seem to say that we must disprove Evolution in order for there to be a God. All the while knowing that it is impossible to completely disprove Evolution or Creationism. No one was there who is alive today, there are no records that have been wrote by witnesses to the event of Creation, be it by evolutionary means or by Divine Creation. I can no more prove that Evolution is false, than you can prove that God does not exist.
   Or maybe you can. I am sure that you alone are endowed with all the knowledge of the Universe, and thus are able to prove once and for all that God is Fake. So give us a sample of your almighty wisdom and lay this matter to rest forever.   

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