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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:09 PM

In its new show "MonsterQuest," an adventurous group braved the wilderness to see if "Big Foot" actually lives in Ontario, Canada.

Scientists Kurt Nelson and Jeff Meldrum spent five days with a video and audio crew at a cabin in the utterly remote Snelgrove Lake, pulling DNA samples from the trap and exploring the forest.
The show has caused a stir among enthusiasts because it has gotten so close to proving the Sasquatch monster may, in fact, exist.

The show made "contact" with the thing on its last night of filming.

"A stone was thrown at about 2 a.m.," executive producer Doug Hajibeck told The Post. "That stone hit like a bullet. It was thrown with amazing accuracy


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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:11 PM

Someone threw a stone onto the roof of the cabin. The LOGICAL conclusion is that it was a backpacker or hiker or someone doing mischief at night, or --gasp!-- the film crew themselves.

As for the DNA--inconclusive, as everyone knew it would be.

Why? Because there is no such thing as bigfoot. Biologically, the number necessary to sustain a breeding population from extinction dictates that they could not stay undetected for so long, with  no skeletal remains ever being found.

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"A stone was thrown at about 2 a.m.," executive producer Doug Hajibeck told The Post. "That stone hit like a bullet. It was thrown with amazing accuracy


riiiiggghhhttt..... because  human beings are not capable of  hitting the roof of a cabin with a rock....or throwing a fastball with some heat on it...give me a break.


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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:14 PM

The show was good, but the dna had been too digraded to be conclusive. What I couldn't understand was that if bigfoot comes by the cabin on a regular basis, why dont they set up those internet cameras for a year round investigation. That makes the most sense. It seems to me they want the ratings and not much else. The film crew probably threw the rocks.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:18 PM

I'm not going to take any article which claims to have found "the missing link" seriously.

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As for the DNA--inconclusive, as everyone knew it would be.


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When DNA is in good condition and we can positively identify it, it's always traced back to a known animal. When it's in bad condition and can't be identified...it must be bigfoot! Am I right?

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:19 PM

Neognosis on Nov 12 2007, 10:11 AM, said:

Someone threw a stone onto the roof of the cabin. The LOGICAL conclusion is that it was a backpacker or hiker or someone doing mischief at night, or --gasp!-- the film crew themselves.

As for the DNA--inconclusive, as everyone knew it would be.

Why? Because there is no such thing as bigfoot. Biologically, the number necessary to sustain a breeding population from extinction dictates that they could not stay undetected for so long, with  no skeletal remains ever being found.



riiiiggghhhttt..... because  human beings are not capable of  hitting the roof of a cabin with a rock....or throwing a fastball with some heat on it...give me a break.

Didn't read the article, eh?  The DNA was inclusivie as far as not knowing what exactly it is, but for now it is known what it isn't, human.  And don't forget the hair that didn't match anything.  I watched the show but a quote from the article sums it up in a few words good enough to get the point across.

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The hair did not match any known North American bear or animal and tests showed an uncanny similarity to human DNA with one exception: the irregular DNA matched that of a primate.


And it is well known that stone throwing is a habit of primates, (not just humans either).  The cabin they stayed in is 200 miles from the nearest town.  And they only way to get their is by plane or boat.  No roads.  Or...if you want to make the argument someone hiked a couple hundred miles through the forest, go ahead, but THAT is illogical.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:20 PM

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When DNA is in good condition and we can positively identify it, it's always traced back to a known animal. When it's in bad condition and can't be identified...it must be bigfoot! Am I right?


yup. the results, after much manipulation of the sample to get something readable, was something part human, part unidentifiable.

the LOGICAL conclusion is either a mix of human and animal DNA, or unintentional human contamination of the sample.


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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:22 PM

Here is an article from Doug Hajicek, Producer/Monsterquest for The History Channel

<a href="http://www.cryptomun...ws/mq-hajicek/" target="_blank">http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mq-hajicek/</a>

And to give them a little credit, it was a while before they even mentioned the attack on the cabin or the sample they got from the nail board device, also, they could have easily stated that they personally saw a BigFoot/sasquatch while in or out of the cabin but have not done so.

Edited by the14u2cee, 12 November 2007 - 04:33 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:22 PM

Raptor X7 on Nov 12 2007, 10:18 AM, said:

I'm not going to take any article which claims to have found "the missing link" seriously.



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When DNA is in good condition and we can positively identify it, it's always traced back to a known animal. When it's in bad condition and can't be identified...it must be bigfoot! Am I right?

Who says anything about the hair being in bad shape?  Anyways, the article isn't responsible for anything.  They are just giving a very brief overview of what the episode of 'Monster Quest' showed us last week.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:30 PM

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Didn't read the article, eh?


No. I watched the show.


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Or...if you want to make the argument someone hiked a couple hundred miles through the forest, go ahead, but THAT is illogical.


No it's not. I am a long distance backpacker. And I'm the kind of person who, if I was on a week long hike and I came across a bunch of people trying to find bigfoot...I sure as heck would have fun with that.

A long distance backpacker or a hoax is far more logical than a mythical creature who has managed to sustain a breeding population for years and years but that doesn't leave any skeletal remains....


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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:32 PM

Neognosis on Nov 12 2007, 10:30 AM, said:

No. I watched the show.




No it's not. I am a long distance backpacker. And I'm the kind of person who, if I was on a week long hike and I came across a bunch of people trying to find bigfoot...I sure as heck would have fun with that.

A long distance backpacker or a hoax is far more logical than a mythical creature who has managed to sustain a breeding population for years and years but that doesn't leave any skeletal remains....

How many bear, deer, cougar skeletons have you ever seen, combined?  My guess would be between 0-1.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:48 PM

Neognosis on Nov 12 2007, 04:11 PM, said:

Someone threw a stone onto the roof of the cabin. The LOGICAL conclusion is that it was a backpacker or hiker or someone doing mischief at night, or --gasp!-- the film crew themselves.

As for the DNA--inconclusive, as everyone knew it would be.

Why? Because there is no such thing as bigfoot. Biologically, the number necessary to sustain a breeding population from extinction dictates that they could not stay undetected for so long, with  no skeletal remains ever being found.



riiiiggghhhttt..... because  human beings are not capable of  hitting the roof of a cabin with a rock....or throwing a fastball with some heat on it...give me a break.


And where did you see that the rock was thrown on the ROOF a cabin?   Oh yeah thats right it did not say that your making things up!



Edited by Enigma wrapped in a puzzle, 12 November 2007 - 04:49 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:55 PM

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How many bear, deer, cougar skeletons have you ever seen, combined? My guess would be between 0-1.


You would be right...but I'm not a scientist and I've probably walked by several bear carcases and not even noticed or seen them. If i was a biologist doing a survey of bears, I would undoubtedly have seen them and known where to look. Plus, people have seen bear and cougar skeletons. (I've seen many dear skeletons, by the way. this is probably becasue deer are prey, while cougars and bears and other apex predators usually go someplace isolated and hidden to die.)

Because a certain number of breeding pairs is necessary to sustain a species...and this number undoubtedly leaves behind skeletal remains that people find. If enough "bigfeet" existed to keep a population alive over time, undoubtedly someone would have come across a body at some point, and undoubtedly called the authorities, as they are supposed to resemble people.

It's that simple...a breeding population can not remain hidden forever.


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And where did you see that the rock was thrown on the ROOF a cabin? Oh yeah thats right it did not say that your making things up!


I saw the show. And what difference does it make if someone threw a rock at the roof or the wall? None.


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Posted 12 November 2007 - 05:02 PM

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 05:07 PM

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Television is controlled by the FCC, which is controlled by the government


Actually, the FCC only has say over content on the airwaves. Cable and Sattelite are not subject to the FCC, as I understand it.

Still doesnt' change the fact that bigfoot doesn't exist.


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Posted 12 November 2007 - 05:11 PM

Neognosis on Nov 12 2007, 10:55 AM, said:

You would be right...but I'm not a scientist and I've probably walked by several bear carcases and not even noticed or seen them. If i was a biologist doing a survey of bears, I would undoubtedly have seen them and known where to look. Plus, people have seen bear and cougar skeletons. (I've seen many dear skeletons, by the way. this is probably becasue deer are prey, while cougars and bears and other apex predators usually go someplace isolated and hidden to die.)

Because a certain number of breeding pairs is necessary to sustain a species...and this number undoubtedly leaves behind skeletal remains that people find. If enough "bigfeet" existed to keep a population alive over time, undoubtedly someone would have come across a body at some point, and undoubtedly called the authorities, as they are supposed to resemble people.

It's that simple...a breeding population can not remain hidden forever.

It's not that simple.  Take this show for example.  These people were way out in the middle of nowhere, when they had a bigfoot type encounter.  Now if you concede that if alive, and indeed this was a real bigfoot, it becomes apparent that in such a huge amount of land space, with absolutely very few people ever going into the forest, (much less deep into the forest), your chances of stumbling across a skeleton become next to nothing, when you consider how fast carcasses decompose, and just the sheer vastness of the wilderness.

Check out this video, it gives a nice fast-motion example of how fast a carcass decomposes.  Click me.  I don't know the elapsed time of deer carcass, but my guess, very rough guess based on the video, is 7-10 days.

Neognosis on Nov 12 2007, 11:07 AM, said:

Actually, the FCC only has say over content on the airwaves. Cable and Sattelite are not subject to the FCC, as I understand it.

Still doesnt' change the fact that bigfoot doesn't exist.

Proof?

Edit-Crazy, I replied to the second part after this first part of my post, and it automatically inserted it into this post.

Edited by bball, 12 November 2007 - 05:13 PM.

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