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Posted 24 November 2007 - 02:18 PM

Convinced that NASA is a front for a secret space program that the general public does not know about? Convinced that we already possess several craft that have anti gravity technology? Regardless of how you feel about these topics, here is a nice list of what people believe to be most of the classified aircraft in use today by the American government. It also has some details about how some of these operate and how they have been used in the past (Iraq war etc).

The person who wrote this (Richard Boylan of exopolitics) is either a barking mad lunatic, a great science fiction writer, or knows a lot about classified aircraft.  A entertaining read none the less.

the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber

the Aurora

Lockheed-Martin’s X-33A

Boeing and Airbus Industries’ Nautilus

the TR3-A Pumpkinseed

the TR3-B Triangle

Northrop’s Great Pumpkin disc

Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical’s XH-75D

Shark antigravity helicopter

Lockheed-Martin and Northrop’s jointly-developed TAW-50 hypersonic antigravity fighter-bomber

Before we examine these ten exotic aerospace craft, a brief overview of the different forms of generating antigravity fields is in order.

The most primitive antigravity technology is electrogravitic. This involves using voltages in the millions of volts to disrupt the ambient gravitational field. This results in an 89% reduction in gravity’s hold on airframes in such vehicles as the B-2 Stealth Bomber and the TR3-B Astra triangular craft. And given the considerable ambient ionization field I observed around the X-22A, it is reasonable to assume that extreme-voltage electrogravitics is also employed with these craft.


The next level up of sophistication is magnetogravitic. This involves generating high-energy toroidal fields spun at incredible rpm’s, which also disrupts the ambient gravitational field, indeed to the extent that a counterforce to Earth’s gravitational pull is generated. The early British aeronautical engineers called this dynamic counterbary. This may have been used in some earlier American saucers and prototypes, but I have only been told that the secret Nautilus spacefaring craft uses magnetic pulsing , which appears to utilize this technology.


The third level of sophistication, that used in the more modern American antigravity craft, is direct generation and harnessing of the gravitational strong force. Such a strong-force field extends slightly beyond the atomic nucleus of Element 115, an exotic element donated by Star Visitor scientist-consultants to human scientists at S-4, a secret base south of Area 51. By amplifying that exposed gravitational strong force, and using antimatter reactor high energy, and then directing it, it is possible to lift a craft from the Earth and then change directions by vectoring the shaped antigravity force field thus generated. Important information about this third technology is available on Bob Lazar’s website. (1) This information is also described on the Bob Lazar video. Lazar worked on extraterrestrial technology at Los Alamos National Laboratory, and Area 51’s Site S-4. (2)


Let us now examine these 10 advanced craft in more detail. The amount of information available for each varies; in some cases more is known, in other cases very little.

1) The B-2 Stealth bomber is manufactured Northrop-Grumman.

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The Air Force describes it as a low-observable, strategic, long-range heavy bomber capable of penetrating sophisticated and dense air-defense shields. Retired Air Force Colonel Donald Ware passed on to me information from a three-star general he knows, who revealed to him in July that the B-2 [Stealth bombers] have electro-gravitic systems on board; and that this explains why our 21 Northrop B-2s cost about a billion dollars each. (3)

2) The Aurora SR-33A is a moderate-sized spacefaring vehicle.

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The late National Security Council scientist Dr. Michael Wolf (4) of NSC’s unacknowledged Special Studies Group subcommittee, (formerly called MJ-12), has stated that the Aurora can operate on both conventional fuel and antigravity field propulsion systems. He further stated that the Aurora can travel to the Moon.

Wolf had also disclosed to me that the U.S. has a small station on the Moon, and a tiny observation post on Mars (5). Thus I doubt that Dr. Wolf would characterize the Aurora thus, unless it was a vessel already used in making such trips. He disclosed additionally that the Aurora operates out of Area 51, (Groom Dry Lake Air Force Station), at the northeast corner of the Nellis AFB Range, north of Las Vegas, Nevada.

3) The Lockheed-Martin X-33A military spaceplane,
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is a prototype of Lockheed’s other spaceplane, the single-stage-to-orbit reuseable aerospace vehicle, the National SpacePlane . Lockheed-Martin does not say too much about its winged, delta-shape X-33 VentureStar, except to say that we are building it. To be at that stage of development for its public-program SpacePlane, clearly Lockheed-Martin has already long since built prototypes, as well as an unacknowledged military version, which I have dubbed the X-33A. The ’A’ suffix stands for antigravity.


Colonel Donald Ware, USAF (ret.) told me that he had recently learned from a three-star General that the VentureStar X-33 has an electrogravitics (antigravity) system on board (6). This virtually assures that the unacknowledged military antigravity version, the X-33 A, must surely also have electrogravitics on board. It is possible that what I have called the X-33A is the Aurora craft which Dr. Wolf described.

4) The Lockheed X-22A is a two-man antigravity disc fighter.
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The late Colonel Steve Wilson, USAF (ret.), stated that military astronauts trained at a secret aerospace academy separate from the regular Air Force Academy at Colorado Springs, CO. These military astronauts then operate out of Beale and Vandenberg Air Force Bases, Northern California From those bases, these military astronauts regularly fly trans-atmospherically and out into space (7). One of the aerospace craft they use, Colonel Wilson reported, is the X-22A.

Another informant, ’Z’, aka ’Jesse’, who formerly worked at the NSA, told me that the Lockheed X-22A antigravity fighter disc fleet is equipped with Neutral Particle Beam directed-energy weapons, that it is capable of effecting optical as well as radar invisibility, and that it is deployable for worldwide military operations from the new U.S. Space Warfare Headquarters, located in hardened underground facilities beneath 13,528’ King’s Peak in the Wasatch Mountains’ High Uintas Primitive (Wilderness) Area, 80 miles east of Salt Lake City (8).

Recently I also heard from an Army engineer, formerly TDY’ed to NASA, who shall remain unnamed at his request. He also confirmed that Lockheed had made the X-22A, the two-man antigravity fighter disc which I had seen test-flown in a canyon adjacent to the main Area 51 operations zone. He explained why I had seen the X-22A so nervously flown during that test flight. He said that the original X-22A had had a standard altimeter hard-wired into it, but that such an instrument would give faulty readings in the craft’s antigravity field, which bends space-time. He had recommended that they instead use a gradiometer, which would function better.


Apparently his suggestion was finally taken up, since in more recent years I have seen the X-22As flying more smoothly and confidently at high altitudes over and near Area 51.

Another informant who wishes his identity kept private related operational details about military deployment of antigravity disc craft which sound like the X-22A. He reports:

’During operation Desert Storm a close relative of mine was in charge of a Marine Division right on the front. In the first days film footage and especially video-cams which a large number of G.I.s had were impounded, so they wouldn’t capture any sensitive material. Iraq was pumped up and Gung-Ho, since they had well over 50,000 troops ready to charge us, [and] since we only had about 3500 they knew of, and they knew [that], because of the close proximity of troops we couldn’t nuke them, so, they were assuming piece of cake. Wrong.

’Two pictures my relative confiscated from one of his officers showed:

1. a large disc-shaped craft slightly in front of our men with a high intensity beam of light emitting out of it; then,

2. where men, equipment, etc. was [had stood], there only remained dark charcoal-like spots on the desert floor. We have had this technology for quite a while.’

The described disc was clearly an antigravity, levitating, aerial-weapons platform in the U.S. arsenal. Quite possibly it was the Lockheed X-22A two-man discoid craft, the real DarkStar, of which the unmanned drone X-22 DarkStar is but an aircraft ’cover’ program to disguise the existence of this manned antigravity fighter disc, the X-22A.


Further, as ’Z’ noted, the real manned discs come equipped with the latest Neutral Particle Beam weapons, which take apart the target at the molecular level. Star Visitor craft do not incinerate humans. Only human military fighters are so deployed. So the above report does not deal with any extraterrestrial event.

5) The Nautilus is another space-faring craft,

a secret military spacecraft which operates by magnetic pulsing (9). It operates out of the unacknowledged new headquarters of the U.S. Space Command, deep under a mountain in Utah. It makes twice-a-week trips up to the secret military-intelligence space station, which has been in deep space for the past thirty years, and manned by U.S. and USSR (now CIS) military astronauts. The Nautilus also is used for superfast surveillance operations, utilizing its ability to penetrate target country airspace from above from deep space, a direction not usually expected.


It is manufactured jointly by Boeing’s Phantom Works near Seattle and EU’s Airbus Industries Anglo-French consortium. During travel to Washington State several years ago, I had a conversation with a former Boeing executive who worked in their Phantom Works, Boeing’s black projects division, (roughly the equivalent of Lockheed’s Skunk Works). The executive confirmed what I had earlier learned from an intelligence insider: that Boeing had teamed up with Europe’s Airbus Industrie to manufacture the Nautilus.

6) The TR3-A ’Pumpkinseed’ is a super-fast air vehicle.
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The ’Pumpkinseed’ nickname is a reference to its thin oval airframe, whose contours resemble that seed. It may be the craft identified as using pulse detonation technology for propulsion in a sub-hypersonic regime, and also uses antigravity technology for either mass-reduction or complementary field propulsion at higher speed levels. As air breathers, these Pulse Detonation Wave Engines (PDWEs) could theoretically propel a hypersonic aircraft towards Mach 10 at an altitude in excess of 180,000 feet. Used to power an trans-atmospheric vehicle, the same PDWEs might be capable of lifting the craft to the edge of space when switched to rocket mode.

7) the TR3-B ’Astra", is a large triangular anti-gravity craft within the U.S. fleet. Black projects defense industry insider Edgar Rothschild Fouche wrote about the existence of the TR3-B in his book, Alien Rapture (10).
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My ex-NSA informant, ’Z’, also confirmed that the TR3-B is operational. ’Z’ had this to say about the TR3-B triangular antigravity craft.  TR3-B. This is the code name for what everyone on Earth has seen. It is a very large triangular-shaped re-entry vehicle with anti-gravity. It is what the November [2000] issue of Popular Mechanics identified as the Lenticular Reentry Vehicle, a nuclear-powered flying saucer, the first version of which went operational in 1962, [the version which Popular Mechanics illustrated.]

It was used in Gulf War’s early hours with electromagnetic-pulse/laser cannons. It literally sat mid-air, firing long-, medium-, short-range to take out antennas, towers, communications, air traffic control towers, TV dishes and centers, etc. For three hours, these three triangles [TR3-Bs] just sat there blowing up everything in sight. Then the Stealth fighters had fun for the rest of the day into the early evening next night. Then [followed] carpet bombings from high altitude B-52 Strato-Fortresses. They dumped all the old, aged Vietnam-era crap [munitions]; a third blew up and the rest [were] duds. Anyways, the TR3B has been in testing since the ’60s. But it has only been perfected for the last 8 years [since 1992].


It is a good remake of what Truman first saw, [the Roswell semi-circular craft]. It is compartmentalized, built by the Skunk Works (Lockheed-Martin’s classified plant at Palmdale, CA) and Boeing [Phantom Works, Seattle]. It is housed in Utah. ’Z’ was reminding of his earlier revelation that the U.S. Space Command has located its prime headquarters and antigravity space-launch fleet facility beneath King Mountain, the tallest mountain in the Wasatch Range east of Salt Lake City, Utah.

8) Northrop Aircraft Corporation has manufactured its Northrop antigravity disc, (designation unknown),

I have dubbed the ’Great Pumpkin’ , from its brilliant ruddy golden-orangish glow. I first saw these craft operationally test-flown in 1992 above the Groom Range ridge line at Area 51, Nevada. Later I saw the same intensely burning-bright orange-gold craft that I had seen above Area 51 being test-flown sixty miles north of Los Angeles, in the Tehachapi Mountains east of Edwards Air Force Base.

There the Northrop has its secret saucer manufacturing works buried deep within the mountains. I saw the same intensely burning-bright orange-gold craft test-flown above Northrop’s mountaintop test bed there as I had seen above Areas 51/S-4 (11).

When energized these discs emit their characteristic intense glow. It is reasonable to assume that this is due to strong ionization, and that electrogravitics is the methodology of their field propulsion.

9) The XH-75D or XH Shark antigravity helicopter,
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is manufactured by Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical Corporation of San Diego. USAF Colonel Steve Wilson reported that many of these XH-75Ds were assigned to the Delta/National Reconnaissance Organization Division which retrieves downed UFOs. That Division is also implicated in mutilating cattle as a psychological warfare program on the American public, to try to get citizens to fear and hate extraterrestrials through assuming that aliens are the ones cutting up the cattle. Colonel Wilson also leaked a drawing of the XH-75D Shark.

10) The TAW-50 is a hypersonic, antigravity space fighter-bomber.
A defense contractor with whom I have been in communication leaked to me details of this U.S. Advanced TAW-50 warcraft. Developed during the early 1990s, the capabilities of this war-bird are jaw-dropping. And the technology shows that the Defense Department did not fail to utilize what it learned combing through the wreckage of various UFO crashes.


The TAW-50 was jointly developed by the Lockheed-Martin Skunk Works (Palmdale-Helendale, CA) and Northrop (undoubtedly at their undeclared Anthill facility within the Tehachapi Mountains, northwest of Lancaster, CA.) Both companies have a history of development of secret anti-gravity craft at these Mojave Desert facilities.


The TAW-50 has speed capabilities well in excess of Mach 50, a number the contractor calls ’a very conservative estimate’. Its actual speed is classified. Since Mach-1 is 1,225 kilometers per hour, (approximately 748 mph), this means that the TAW-50 is capable of moving considerably faster than 38,000 mph. In comparison, the velocity required to escape Earth’s gravity is 25,000 mph. Therefore the TAW-50 is capable of going into space, and does.

The TAW-50 has a SCRAM (supersonic ramjet) propulsion system for passing through the outer atmosphere. The TAW-50 utilizes electrogravitics to maintain its own artificial gravity while in weightless space, as well as to nullify the vehicle’s mass during operations. The TAW-50’s power supply is provided by a small nuclear power generator that the contractor said is Normal-Inert. The contractor said that the space plane uses electromagnetoferrometric power generation by the immersion of pellets in heavy water (deuterium) and specially-designed coil superconductive magnets, which yield enormous amounts of free electrons when placed in an immersion which has been triggered into an oscillating field-state flux.

The TAW-50 has a crew of four. Nevertheless, the TAW-50 flies so fast that it requires computers to fly it. These were developed by American Computer Company, who derived them from its Valkyrie XB/9000 AI [artificial intelligence] Guidance series. They utilize a RISC Milspec Superchip. There are 180 of them in the flight control system, and 64 more in the weapons guidance system, the contractor reported.

It can carry a combined payload of glide bombs and a package of MIRV (Multiple Independently-targeted Reentry Vehicles, mil-speak for a group of intercontinental ballistic missiles), each of which can seek out and strike a different target. The MIRV pack also contains reentry-capable balloon countermeasures to make it very difficult for laser and other defensive weapons to track down where the real MIRVs are and intercept them.

The TAW-50 is armed with its own Kill Laser system, which can track and immolate SAM (Surface-to-Air missiles), STTA (Surface-To-Trans-Atmosphere missiles), ATA (Air-To- Air missiles), and ATTA (Air-To-Trans-Atmospheric missiles). The TAW-50’s killer lasers can also knock down high-performance fighter interceptors. The TAW’s Kill Laser is much smaller than the earlier 1980s-era SDI (Star Wars program) models, and has a miniaturized cooling core and 500 times the wattage. The contractor said it uses a spontaneous nucleonic burst to trigger the lasing [laser] effect.

In addition, the TAW-50 is armed with microsuperexplosive HyperDart missiles. These are just a little larger than ordinary aircraft cannon ammunition, but travel at hypersonic speed for up to three minutes, and have enormous explosive capability. One HyperDart can blow apart a MiG fighter anywhere within 20 feet of the HyperDart. The TAW-50 carries several hundred HyperDarts.

Because the TAW-50 is designed to operate in space, it has on board a two-day air supply. This air supply can be extended by using its scoop system and traveling into the upper atmosphere to harvest more oxygen.
The contractor did not reveal the size of the space fighter-bomber except to say, ’It’s a pretty big thing.’

The performance of the TAW-50 makes it virtually impossible to defend against.

It can hide in orbit many hundreds of miles into space, orbiting at times at 22,000 mph.

Then, without warning, it can dive straight down through the atmosphere at over 38,000 miles per hour on an 80-degree attack vector, reverse direction within 150 feet of the ground with very little loss of motion and without a glide turn, and almost instantly go vertically straight up at over 38,000 mph until long after it leaves the atmosphere and resumes orbiting in space.

The contractor noted, ’Those [electro-] gravitics allow it to change its mass to almost nothing in a moment, and reverse direction in a second, increase its acceleration to so many times G [Earth’s gravity] it’s not funny, yet they are able to nearly nullify the G-force on the pilots. They [the electrogravitics] are fourth-generation, with the ability to bring it to a complete standstill in under 2 milliseconds, if need be, without crushing the pilots, and keep it there for quite some time.’ The contractor notes, ’It’s far too fast for tracking radars.’ ’And,’ he adds, ’what military aims its radars straight up?’

The TAW-50 can be refueled and rearmed in orbit by docking with the secret undeclared Military Space Station that is in orbit (12) The entire refueling and rearming procedure takes under 10 minutes. Who mans the gas pumps? Military astronauts trained at the Secret Air Force Academy, located in the hills immediately west of the official Air Force Academy at Colorado Springs, CO. These military astronauts rotate duty by traveling to and from Vandenberg Air Force Base on other military antigravity vehicles (13).

The Cape Canaveral Space Shuttles have carried the arming platforms (’classified Defense Department payloads’) up to the secret Military Space Station. The contractor reported that with a few extra tanks of LOX (liquid oxygen), the TAW-50 could fly to the Moon and back.

As of 2002, the U.S. has 20 TAW-50s in its arsenal. But, as the contractor commented, ’You could take out an entire nation in under 10 days with only 10 of these, doing three attacks a day. One can wipe out an entire city the size of suburban Cleveland in a single attack without having to use any nukes at all.’

The electrogravitics for the TAW-50 was produced by GE Radionics.

Pratt & Whitney designed the SCRAM atmospheric penetrator technology.

American Computer Company created the artificial-intelligence supercomputers.

The contractor said he could not tell me anything else. And it was clear he did not want his name used. So, this is what is known.

11) The Northrop Quantum Teleportation Disc?
Are the above the current state-of-the-art in advanced aerospace craft? No. There have been advances beyond “mere” antigravity field propulsion. Quantum particulate physics is now being used to update a variety of aerospace craft and their weapons systems.


On a recent (09/16/05) field trip to the boundary of Area 51, during a middle-of-the-night observation, I saw first one, then another, and finally six brightly-lit objects suddenly appear at approximately 1000’ (305 meters) height above the desert floor. The intensely-glowing, ruddy, golden-orangish ionization field surrounding these craft appeared identical to the field around the Northrop antigravity disc. But in the 13 years since I had last observed the Northrop discs above Area 51, and at their Tehachapi Mountains manufacturing site, considerable progress has been made.

In 1992, the Northrop disc slowly rose vertically from its flight pad and gradually reached flight altitude. But in 2005 these craft are able to depart from their flight pad and suddenly appear at flight altitude without any visible ascent. And it is not a matter of their ionization field having been turned off during ascent for stealth purposes. The ionization field comes with electrogravitic field propulsion. If the ionization were turned off, the craft would have fallen from the sky. Rather what appears to be going on is that the Northrop engineers have incorporated quantum physics principles into the propulsion. Simply stated, Northrop appears to have harnessed quantum entanglement to achieve quantum teleportation. To the observer the craft simply ceases to exist on the flight pad and instantly begins to exist at, (in this case), 1000 feet altitude. If the interpretation of this observation is correct, then there exists an 11th entry in the U.S. antigravity arsenal, the Northrop Quantum Teleportation Disc.


If the black-budget scientists keep advancing along these lines, we could foresee the day when a fleet of Air Force craft suddenly “cease to exist” on the air base runway and instantly appear at 35,000 feet altitude over a target city halfway around the globe.

America has used its enormous wealth to become the global super-power. The TAW-50 is but one example of its exotic, unnecessarily proliferative, and highly-destructive arsenal. The world awaits the day when America finds its soul, and pays more attention to matters of spirit, mind, and metaphysical development, and withdraws from its addiction to war toys.
It has been said that if the American people knew what the military had in their arsenal today, they wouldn’t believe it, and would think that someone was fantasizing about a George Lucas Star Wars movie episode.


But it’s not science-fiction. The future is already here.

The implications of the advanced antigravity craft back-engineered by humans are several. All of the antigravity technology is in the control of the organization conducting the UFO Cover-Up. This organization is so heavily infiltrated by Cabal types that Dr. Michael Wolf regretfully concluded that the Cabal had effective control of it. He should know; he was a high member of that Special Studies Group, [formerly "MJ-12"], buried within the National Security Council.


Since the Cabal effectively control the development and special uses of these craft, there remains a very high danger that the Cabal will use its growing antigravity fleet to try to repel the Star Visitors and even conduct Space War. Elements within the U.S. Air Force and the Naval Space Command are making preparations for such a Space War.


What can we do about this as light workers, Star Kids, Star Seed adults or other humans of good will?

First is to keep ourselves informed about dangerous and evil uses of antigravity (and quantum) technology.

Second is to contact our political representatives to oppose policies and weapons systems development that is oriented towards space warfare.

Third is to encourage the release of this technology into the civilian sector, where it can revolutionize transportation, energy generation, large construction projects, and other peaceful uses.

Fourth, the existence of this human technology is a two-edged sword for the Cabal. Not only is the existence of antigravity technology starting to get out to the public, but also the very existence of a massive worldwide organization conducting the UFO Cover-Up and confiscation of Star Visitor technology.

As the public becomes aware that the Cabal have unfairly monopolized this technology for 40+ years, the public will become incensed at the Cabal for their greed and selfishness. This then becomes the opportunity to expose and discredit the Cabal, the Number One obstacle to human safety and progress.



Footnotes

1.   See: http://www.boblazar.com/closed/reactor.htm  (USE »Username: papoose - Password: sector)
2.   UFOs and Area 51, Vol. 2 - The Bob Lazar Video (1999)
3.   Personal communication, September 20, 1997.
4.   See: MJ-12: Inside Revelations: Dr Michael Wolf
5.   See: Quotations From Chairman Wolf  
6.   Personal communication, September 20, 1997.
7.   See: http://www.drboylan.com/swilson2.html  
8.   Personal communication, February 10, 2002.
9.   See: Extraterrestrial Base On Earth, Sanctioned By Officials Since 1954
10. See: http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/bt3r.htm  
11. See: http://www.drboylan.com/grantour2.html  
12. See: Extraterrestrial Base On Earth, Sanctioned By Officials Since 1954  
13. See: http://www.drboylan.com/colww3a.html  
14. See: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-entangle


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Posted 24 November 2007 - 02:47 PM

Papoose and sector doesn't work. Neither does http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/bt3r.htm

Edited by Diedtrying, 24 November 2007 - 02:48 PM.

Isn't it funny, how if you sit in a library and scream, everyone looks at you and tuts...but do the same thing on an aircraft and everyone joins in!

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 07:43 PM

Very interesting, GiB.

What I would ask is, if the US does have this fantastic capability why are they having such great difficulty in situations with 'primitive' militaries such as is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why are they allowing pilots of 'ordinary' US military aircraft to put themselves in danger when they could use these 'wonder-weapons' to totally dismantle the enemy?

If they are all only prototypes then how did the US get its bases on the Moon and Mars?

I'm not going to comment on the 'Star Visitor/Cabal' mentions as that is conspiracy theory fantasy imo. I can envisage some of the ideas put forward in this article being hypothesised about, but realised???

A quick browse of the web and I can find references to a disclosure that the B-2 Spirit Stealth bomber is electrostatically charged in both the wing leading edges and it's exhaust stream. The 'inference' that this means it uses 'electrogravitics' was made by fringe theorists based on the works of a physicist T. Townsend Brown. The 'millions of volts' seems to have come from these theorists and not the military. It's quite possible the charging of the leading edge/exhaust has something to do with its stealth capability and not propulsion or lift. I'd be interested if someone can find any evidence this is, or is not, the case.

As you said, an entertaining read but mostly science fantasy I think.

Edited by Leonardo, 24 November 2007 - 07:45 PM.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 07:49 PM

1 is the most liely to be real

4567 all all fAKE, no anti-gravity is possible, and those ships had no control surfaces if atleast very few.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 07:56 PM

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What I would ask is, if the US does have this fantastic capability why are they having such great difficulty in situations with 'primitive' militaries such as is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why are they allowing pilots of 'ordinary' US military aircraft to put themselves in danger when they could use these 'wonder-weapons' to totally dismantle the enemy?


A couple things to touch on...

They're not having any problems with primitive militaries. The Military in Iraq was taken care of quite quickly, without problems. A military is quite easy to identify because they are a self-sustaining organized fighting force, apart from the civilian population. What the US is dealing with in Afghanistan is an organization which lives among the civilian populations, and fights among it too. In Iraq, they are dealing with something similar but on a smaller scale. In Afghanistan, there is one enemy, the Taliban. In Iraq, it is a number of smaller factions and even individuals who do not identify themselves, nor do they stand apart from the civilian population, thus it is much harder to use the more devastating weapons in the US's arsenal to eliminate them, and it comes down to the soldier and his more surgical tools.  For an extreme example, think of the Iraqis 50 000 soldier vs the USs 3500 soldier example. 50 000 soldiers in the battlefield can be quite easily wiped out with the use of a nuke, leaving no danger to the US soldiers and US military aircraft. (Disregarding the effects of radiation). Such a destructive weapon can defeat entire armies, however, it can not be used if those were 5000 insurgents because of the sheer fact that insurgents operate from within cities, and the US has no desire to annihilate entire populations to kill a few enemies.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 08:27 PM

It was a great read, but just fiction. If we had this stuff, we would wipe out any opponent. We don't.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 08:37 PM

dest_titor1 on Nov 24 2007, 07:49 PM, said:

no anti-gravity is possible

Ok..back to basics..? try putting two magnetic norths together..??? you will be suprised to see a "propulsion" take place..!?!  grin2.gif

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 08:51 PM

dunderhead on Nov 24 2007, 08:37 PM, said:

Ok..back to basics..? try putting two magnetic norths together..??? you will be suprised to see a "propulsion" take place..!?!  grin2.gif


The problem being how do you get both of those magnetic norths 15,000 feet up cruising at >Mach 1?

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It wasn't necessarily implying the invasions were unsuccessful or that standard military tactics are required in these conflicts, but since 2002 in Afghanistan the US has lost several helicopters officially to small arms/RPG fire with the loss of many servicepeople. The advanced capabilities of these (hypothetical) craft surely could be used to reduce if not eliminate these losses?

I haven't been able to locate any proposed capability of the XH-75D helicopter, but I presuming it is supposedly superior to your CH-47 Chinook in virtually all aspects.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 09:18 PM

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It wasn't necessarily implying the invasions were unsuccessful or that standard military tactics are required in these conflicts, but since 2002 in Afghanistan the US has lost several helicopters officially to small arms/RPG fire with the loss of many servicepeople. The advanced capabilities of these (hypothetical) craft surely could be used to reduce if not eliminate these losses?


Ahh, I thought you were talking about weapons specifically. Well, yes... but there could be a number of reasons why they're not, assuming they exist. According to this article, there arent  giant "fleets" of these ships, which indicates to me that they are quite expensive and take time to build. These craft may not be armed with the smaller arms necessary for such surgical strikes as the Apaches have. That could be why Apaches are used. For example... all US helicopter loses could have been avoided by using artillery or fast air, why were they not? Because some situations necessitate the use of the Apache and it's capabilities over anything else, which may be the case with these super advanced craft. They may be built for complete annihilation, thus are inapplicable to the situations arising in Afghanistan and Iraq today.

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I haven't been able to locate any proposed capability of the XH-75D helicopter, but I presuming it is supposedly superior to your CH-47 Chinook in virtually all aspects.


Perhaps, but perhaps it, judging from the pictures, might very well still be susceptible to RPG and small arms, in which case why would the US risk losing one of the limited number of these super expensive helicopters that they have when a much cheaper CH-47 can do the same job, except slower? Its hard to say without knowing the capabilities of these supposed craft.

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 09:25 PM

Leonardo on Nov 24 2007, 07:43 PM, said:

Very interesting, GiB.

What I would ask is, if the US does have this fantastic capability why are they having such great difficulty in situations with 'primitive' militaries such as is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan? Why are they allowing pilots of 'ordinary' US military aircraft to put themselves in danger when they could use these 'wonder-weapons' to totally dismantle the enemy?


Actually, we have been doing just that with UAVs in both, Afghanistan, and in Iraq. UAVs, that are killing the enemy, and destroying their equipment in Iraq and Afghanistan, are flown by pilots in the United States. For an example, teams in Iraq perform the takeoffs and landings, and similar teams in Nevada, linked via satellite, take over afterwards. Aircraft survival have come a long way since Vietnam, but we can still expect losses to continue.


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Posted 24 November 2007 - 10:23 PM

dest_titor1 on Nov 24 2007, 07:49 PM, said:

1 is the most liely to be real

4567 all all fAKE, no anti-gravity is possible, and those ships had no control surfaces if atleast very few.


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Posted 24 November 2007 - 11:50 PM

GIB and anyone interested... This brings to mind something I've watched over and over..and can't make heads or tails of it.

This probably should be on a different thread of it's own, but after seeing the pics GiB shared on this thread, I wonder if what she watched and taped was of "OUR" technology....

This video was taken on Nov 13 2007, by two young ladies that followed and taped this strange craft as they were leaving San Diego - about 60 miles north of Bakersfield, CA.

**WARNING!! they cuss ALOT in this video - but not surprising because it looks VERY strange! **  And I thought my cussing was bad on my videos! LOL

Anyway, she (Diana Blackburn) has posted a wee bit of it on Youtube (argh I hate Youtube because they DRM the videos!)
(READ HER VIDEO INFO ON THIS AS WELL :
UFO BLACK TRIANGLE V Shaped

OR you can watch AND download the FULL VERSION of this in a bit better format from link below - 17 megs in wmv format-
Look to the right side for DOWNLOAD ORIGINAL link:
16 minute full version HERE

If this was some top secret military craft - why fly over heavy populated areas like this?  If it was not "ours" then why didn't the military scramble something up there to investigate this UFO?

OR were they already aware of this as being a top secret craft ? OR did they already know it was a UFO and KNEW they couldn't do anything about it and if they scrambled to investigate, it would bring MORE attention to the UFO?

it just makes me wonder...

At first I thought this was just an air craft.. but after reviewing the video over and over, I really don't think so.

Her web site and contact is found here:
Diana Blackburn

I'm sure she's overwhelmed with calls and email right now..

Hearing these girls like this on the video, it seems it was MUCH more spectacular to watch than what her video shows.

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 12:22 AM


Here's another one... oh but it's from our old friend CNUFOS... so, (breaths out) does that mean it's a fake? dontgetit.gif


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Posted 25 November 2007 - 12:29 AM

Eric Raven The Skeptic on Nov 24 2007, 08:27 PM, said:

It was a great read, but just fiction. If we had this stuff, we would wipe out any opponent. We don't.



Im not too sure about this. I mean, we did wipe out Iraq in a very short period of time. What can these craft be used for that would really help us with insurgents who hide amoung the general population? Having big ray guns and fast ships doesn't really help when people hide and fight from the shadows. When it was a real war with their armor against ours we stomped them like they were scared little kids driving around in vehicles made by tonka.

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 12:43 AM

CINDER-

I stopped here when I saw your name. I watched two of your videos online, the other day.

Your post is reminiscent. Except for _all_ the traffic. It might be a drone or some small para-craft (which is probably illegal after sunset). That just had to be said, regardless of the impact of the video.

Really full of adrenline, though.

Whatever I saw was about 50-80 feet off the ground, though.

You have done extremely well, in any regard. And, as always.








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