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Posted 11 January 2009 - 08:26 PM

Mattshark on Jan 11 2009, 08:18 PM, said:

No it is not. You can not astrally project your hand. It is safe because it is not real. Things that are not real aren't dangerous.

Ever heard the term psychosomatic? Believing you experienced something does mean you have experienced something.
OBE's are also perfectly explainable by reality rather than conjecture.


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Posted 11 January 2009 - 08:43 PM

Oriana on Jan 11 2009, 09:26 PM, said:

Can you astrally project *Snip*


Oriana please be constructive. If you believe you can astrally project then provide evidence to back up your claim. I can provide a lot of scientific evidence showing that the mind is a product of brain chemistry.
Now making false claims about abilities is against the forum rules, so I see no problem in asking you to back up a claim.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 09:04 PM

Mattshark on Jan 11 2009, 08:43 PM, said:

Now making false claims about abilities is against the forum rules, so I see no problem in asking you to back up a claim.


The topic of this thread is titled 'What happens when we die', lets get the discussion back to a more civil one please without the snide remarks which have been removed. And Matt how about leaving the moderating to the moderators. Thanks thumbsup.gif



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Posted 22 January 2009 - 12:17 AM

Lady_Anvilabeel on Jan 11 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

The topic of this thread is titled 'What happens when we die', lets get the discussion back to a more civil one please without the snide remarks which have been removed. And Matt how about leaving the moderating to the moderators. Thanks thumbsup.gif


Yes, I agree.

I used to be a member of the now-ruined MyTelekinesis, and in that one year of time, I wrote a document proposing a theory of an Afterlife.  This is what I have left of it:

" Note: Yes, this article is unbearably long, but I find that reading it is relatively a breeze.  

Many people in this very world are skeptical of the existence of an afterlife. I used to be one of those people, but I have found scientific evidence to support the claim that there is, in fact, an afterlife.

--------------------Here it goes---------------------

Over 14 billion years ago, the Big Bang took place and that event is what sparked the beginning of the universe (I'm sure you, the reader, does know about the Big Bang).  It created everything we know today, ranging from us humans to the stars and beyond.

So, theoretically, we are made up of the same material as stars, right?  Yes.

You want more evidence regarding the matter that we are made up of stars?  Well, here you have it.  It starts out with the question, “How was the Earth created?”  Well, about 4 to 5 billion years ago, in our Milky Way galaxy, an immense clump of gas from a raging nebula (an interstellar cloud of dust and gas often springing from dying stars) collapsed under its own gravity to form the Sun.  Not long after, our beloved planet Earth went through this excruciating process.  It started off as very hot gas, converted to molten lava, and finally became a bulky cluster of metal within the Sun’s gravitational field.  

After a while the newly formed Earth cooled down and water was formed by mixing hydrogen (the most common element in the universe) with oxygen (from Earth's new atmosphere) under specific circumstances. The first single-celled object was formed, then the first multi-celled one, and everything evolved over time. We are all made up of the same things as stars.

After stars 'physically' die out, their photons still live on, existing forever. Are you starting to get it? If that phenomenon happens with stars, why wouldn't it happen with us? After all, we are made from the same 'stuff' as stars.

When we humans physically die, our spirit/soul/consciousness/suchlike you'd like to call it lives on, existing without our bodies. Let's come to think of our bodies as containers for our spirits.

When we die, do we exist being made up of photons, as stars do? I myself am not sure, but I have proof that points towards YES. You've heard of ghosts before, haven't you?  Paranormal investigators spot them with mechanical instruments that detect electromagnetic signals (cue 'electromagnetic').  Photons cause electromagnetic occurrences to happen, so spirits from deceased bodies must be made from photons, and we cannot see them because of the higher frequency of the photon.  Frequency relates to the electromagnetic spectrum (the puzzle pieces are all being put together!).

Also, many people who have reported Near-Death-Experiences (NDEs) often experience seeing "a body of light" in some way. That must be a spirit, and the subject experiencing the NDE sees it because he/she is “transferred to the ‘higher, spiritual realm’,” where “you’re able to see photons with a greater frequency”. The body of light SHOULD be made up of photons.

Wait...Why would the spirit be made up of photons?  Why not bananas?  Why not just plain atoms?  That is where the aura comes in.  In case you do not know, the aura is an electromagnetic field of energy that emits light, and that is around everything on earth. You cannot see it with your eyes in the physical plane because of the higher frequency.  Can't you see what I am saying?

The aura has the same components of the spirit, and it contains the spirit. It also contains the astral/etheric body (a major part of the spirit) which can be seen by “clairvoyants” during an Out-of-Body-Experience (OOBE).  If you think about it, auras are major proof of a 'spirit'. Go figure.

Also, listen to this! Tests done in Japan and America clearly show that the body weighs a tad lighter (about 21 grams lighter) right after somebody dies. This must be caused by the ‘spirit’ of the body, but it is now believed to occur due to decay of a specific material in the body when dying – Carbon-14.  In reality, we may never know…

That has been a theory of the existence of an afterlife. If you by any chance disagree with my writing, please ask me questions, tell me what you think, and I will try to make something up of it. I would love to hear your "debative" comments. Thank you!"

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"The ONLY things with real colors are the things that are colorless."

Think about what that quote means.  ...  Does it remind you of life?  Our purpose?  How we came to be?


Put some thought into it!  Ponder!  And remember that a fool is born every minute.

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 04:17 AM

Elwynn on Jan 21 2009, 06:17 PM, said:

Yes, I agree.

I used to be a member of the now-ruined MyTelekinesis, and in that one year of time, I wrote a document proposing a theory of an Afterlife.  This is what I have left of it:










" Note: Yes, this article is unbearably long, but I find that reading it is relatively a breeze.  

Many people in this very world are skeptical of the existence of an afterlife. I used to be one of those people, but I have found scientific evidence to support the claim that there is, in fact, an afterlife.

--------------------Here it goes---------------------

Over 14 billion years ago, the Big Bang took place and that event is what sparked the beginning of the universe (I'm sure you, the reader, does know about the Big Bang).  It created everything we know today, ranging from us humans to the stars and beyond.

So, theoretically, we are made up of the same material as stars, right?  Yes.

You want more evidence regarding the matter that we are made up of stars?  Well, here you have it.  It starts out with the question, “How was the Earth





created?”  Well, about 4 to 5 billion years ago, in our Milky Way galaxy, an immense clump of gas from a raging nebula (an interstellar cloud of dust and gas often springing from dying stars) collapsed under its own gravity to form the Sun.  Not long after, our beloved planet Earth went through this excruciating process.  It started off as very hot gas, converted to molten lava, and finally became a bulky cluster of metal within the Sun’s gravitational field.  

After a while the newly formed Earth cooled down and water was formed by mixing hydrogen (the most common element in the universe) with oxygen (from Earth's new atmosphere) under specific circumstances. The first single-celled object was formed, then the first multi-celled one, and everything evolved over time. We are all made up of the same things as stars.

After stars 'physically' die out, their photons still live on, existing forever. Are you starting to get it? If that phenomenon happens with stars, why wouldn't it happen with us? After all, we are made from the same 'stuff' as stars.

When we humans physically die, our spirit/soul/consciousness/suchlike you'd like to call it lives on, existing without our bodies. Let's come to think of our bodies as containers for our spirits.

When we die, do we exist being made up of photons, as stars do? I myself am not sure, but I have proof that points towards YES. You've heard of ghosts before, haven't you?  Paranormal investigators spot them with mechanical instruments that detect electromagnetic signals (cue 'electromagnetic').  Photons cause electromagnetic occurrences to happen, so spirits from deceased bodies must be made from photons, and we cannot see them because of the higher frequency of the photon.  Frequency relates to the electromagnetic spectrum (the puzzle pieces are all being put together!).

Also, many people who have reported Near-Death-Experiences (NDEs) often experience seeing "a body of light" in some way. That must be a spirit, and the subject experiencing the NDE sees it because he/she is “transferred to the ‘higher, spiritual realm’,” where “you’re able to see photons with a greater frequency”. The body of light SHOULD be made up of photons.

Wait...Why would the spirit be made up of photons?  Why not bananas?  Why not just plain atoms?  That is where the aura comes in.  In case you do not know, the aura is an electromagnetic field of energy that emits light, and that is around everything on earth. You cannot see it with your eyes in the physical plane because of the higher frequency.  Can't you see what I am saying?

The aura has the same components of the spirit, and it contains the spirit. It also contains the astral/etheric body (a major part of the spirit) which can be seen by “clairvoyants” during an Out-of-Body-Experience (OOBE).  If you think about it, auras are major proof of a 'spirit'. Go figure.

Also, listen to this! Tests done in Japan and America clearly show that the body weighs a tad lighter (about 21 grams lighter) right after somebody dies. This must be caused by the ‘spirit’ of the body, but it is now believed to occur due to decay of a specific material in the body when dying – Carbon-14.  In reality, we may never know…

That has been a theory of the existence of an afterlife. If you by any chance disagree with my writing, please ask me questions, tell me what you think, and I will try to make something up of it. I would love to hear your "debative" comments. Thank you!"

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that, my friend is one if the best speeches of an after life I've ever seen .., I'm saving it to by computer and making a desktop of it. LOL care to pm me your name I would put it on the document.. Gr8 grin2.gif


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Posted 22 January 2009 - 04:27 AM

Elwynn on Jan 21 2009, 11:17 PM, said:

Yes, I agree.

I used to be a member of the now-ruined MyTelekinesis, and in that one year of time, I wrote a document proposing a theory of an Afterlife.  This is what I have left of it:

Me too. I wrote about intuition.


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Posted 24 January 2009 - 07:32 PM

AGoodWriter on Jan 21 2009, 11:27 PM, said:

Me too. I wrote about intuition.


Oh.... So that was you....


"The ONLY things with real colors are the things that are colorless."

Think about what that quote means.  ...  Does it remind you of life?  Our purpose?  How we came to be?


Put some thought into it!  Ponder!  And remember that a fool is born every minute.

Peace.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 07:51 PM

I reckon when we die it's just that; nothing more.  Just like sleeping without any dreams.  You're gone but don't know.  All the near death experiences I think are linked to the shutdown of the brain due to lack of oxygen et cetera.

@Elwynn:
Photons are the quantised form of light (see the duality of light).  They travel at 300000000 metres per second in a vacuum and due to this, when we look at extreme distances we are in fact seeing the past as the 'updated' light has not yet arrived.  The only photons we emit are in the infrared spectrum due to heat, as do animals and hot objects.  We see each other due to light bouncing off us and into the eye of the observer.  That's why if we are in a dark room we cannot see each other; as we do not emit visible light.  It is true that light mediates the electromagnetic force, but these are known as virtual photons which only exist for a short period of time.  The law of conservation of mass shows that nothing cannot be created or destroyed; only changed.  Therefore everything technically exists forever, in one form or another.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:06 PM

I was just thinking of something the other day. When we are born there are people standing around our bed watching us come into this world. Some people claim that when they die or when they are on their deathbed, they see deceased relatives standing aroung their bed. I just thought that was a weird coincidence.

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Posted 30 January 2009 - 11:59 AM

My perspective of life and death has changed since studying the formula E=MC^2 and then applying the law of conservation of energy.  





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Posted 10 February 2009 - 11:00 AM

SoCrazes on Jan 30 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

My perspective of life and death has changed since studying the formula E=MC^2 and then applying the law of conservation of energy.


The key here though is the order of energy, its organisation. Without that order we are not us. Something would be required to allow the organisation of consciousness to continue to function as usual for life after death. In decomposition this is impossible due to disorder caused by the decomposition of the biochemical system neccessary to carry the electrical pulses that constitute our mind. The energy is never destroyed, its merely re-ordered into a more chaotic state by being torn apart by micro organism's, environment, and animals.

But, IF something did make this place, perhaps it does download the consiousness of its little creations onto something outside this universe that can maintain the bio electrical pathways of the mind. I obviously have no idea though, and have my doubts about life after death.


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Posted 10 February 2009 - 11:13 AM

What happens when we die?

Our physical body disintegrate and turn to dust while our spirits linger for a period around earth until it finds the gate.
No one knows what's beyond it anyway.

Sometimes astrology does makes sense.
It's time for us to believe...

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 11:15 AM

Anyone who gives a definitive answer besides "I don't know, but I believe....." is wrong.

No one really knows what happens I know I don't.


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Posted 16 February 2009 - 05:13 AM

When we die, our brain closes down. In front of us a giant three-headed dog called Cerberus appears and threatens us with slimy fangs.

Just as we are about to be attacked by Cerberus, a man jumps out, he is freckled and wearing a red and white striped outfit and he says:

"Only joking! Didn't mean to scare you pal."

He then puts his arm around you and says:

"Isn't much to that death lark is there mate? People tend to worry during the last seconds, but its only the same kind of instinctive fear as say, having a needle injection or being on a rollercoaster ride. People should not fear death, because it happens unexpectedly, even if we experience the final pain of death, we still don't know its going to kill us, we are just concentrated on the pain for that split second. Once that split second has passed, its over, we no longer have to fear death and you get to come to this place, here, where we get to eat and live for as long as we want. Look at them lot down there on Earth, worrying about what happens when they die, some of them are terrified. Its no biggie though is it mate? You've got it done with now, its just like a trip to the dentist isn't it?"




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Posted 17 February 2009 - 06:56 PM

I am a full believer of reincarnation.  

When we die, our soul departs this world and rejoins the spirit realm (heaven, I suppose).  Then, after a period of time, we reincarnate as another person, to fulfill another purpose.  Your task, as a spirit, is to gain knowledge from life lessons.  You progress as a spirit in the lessons that are learned.  The ultimate goal is to be one with the Source (God) - where we will then cease to reincarnate and join him and become one with the source.

To read more about this, google Life Between Lives (LBL).  Past life regression researchers stumbled upon LBL experiences.  Many books have been written on the subject.  I urge you all to learn about it. It has changed my life and belief system.





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